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Postby Aureumterra » Thu Nov 07, 2019 7:06 pm

Perruzio Veloce wrote:abusing your power like that would be impossible.

You’d be surprised
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Postby Perruzio Veloce » Thu Nov 07, 2019 7:09 pm

Aureumterra wrote:
Perruzio Veloce wrote:abusing your power like that would be impossible.

You’d be surprised

Nah. Just a standardized test and you're all good.

I hope? Am I missing something here?
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Postby Aureumterra » Thu Nov 07, 2019 7:13 pm

Perruzio Veloce wrote:
Aureumterra wrote:You’d be surprised

Nah. Just a standardized test and you're all good.

I hope? Am I missing something here?

Yes, every adult citizen should have the right to vote, these tests will be inevitably exploited the the government in charge of making them
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Postby Cappuccina » Thu Nov 07, 2019 7:14 pm

Costa Fierro wrote:
The Two Jerseys wrote:Yes, ageism is sad.

So why should the next government be determined by people who need to be reminded not to eat laundry detergent?


They shouldn't. As I have said previously, democracy is a luxury we can no longer afford to have.

That's interesting, I never took you for an authoritarian. Not that I don't agree, just surprised.
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Thu Nov 07, 2019 7:14 pm

no

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Postby Xmara » Thu Nov 07, 2019 7:20 pm

No, taking away voting rights after a certain age is a stupid idea.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Nov 07, 2019 7:20 pm

Nobody should be able to vote.
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Postby The South Falls » Thu Nov 07, 2019 7:30 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:Nobody should be able to vote.

Other than the supreme leader.
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Postby Arkhane » Thu Nov 07, 2019 7:37 pm

Generally speaking, old people had gone through several regimes and presidents so they pretty much have a better gauge on the country's affairs.

Younger voters are pretty much taken on by hype and popularity contests, they easily fall for platitudes and one dimensional charisma.

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Postby Katganistan » Thu Nov 07, 2019 7:38 pm

Iwassoclose wrote:Just like there is an age restriction for when people can vote there should also be an age restriction for when people have to stop voting.

These group of people are most actively chased after by politicians to the detriment of young people who are the main or future participants in the economy and future of a country.

Do you agree with this proposition?

No.

Sounds like a plan thought up by a fourteen year old pissed off they have to wait their turn for eight years.
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Thu Nov 07, 2019 7:44 pm

Xmara wrote:No, taking away voting rights after a certain age is a stupid idea.

Agreed.

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Postby Totenborg » Thu Nov 07, 2019 7:50 pm

Piscina wrote:Personally, I think that as long as the voter has no mental problems, there should be no maximum age. I also think that minimum voting age should be lowered to sixteen, and that in an alternate world where it would be feasible, then everyone should have a mandatory IQ test once that reach sixteen, and that people who score below one hundred on that test should be barred from voting.

Screw that. IQ tests mean very little. All they mostly test is one's ability to take IQ tests.
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Postby Totenborg » Thu Nov 07, 2019 7:51 pm

Aureumterra wrote:
Perruzio Veloce wrote:Nah. Just a standardized test and you're all good.

I hope? Am I missing something here?

Yes, every adult citizen should have the right to vote, these tests will be inevitably exploited the the government in charge of making them

Agreed.
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Postby Bombadil » Thu Nov 07, 2019 7:55 pm

I wasn't allowed to vote in the Brexit referendum having not lived in the country for 12 years despite being a British passport holder. Oddly I can vote in General Elections even though they don't have the effect the referendum does.

So.. for certain votes, and I'd count the referendum, it seems ok to deny suffrage to people who don't have a clear stake and I'd argue those over 70 didn't have a clear stake in the best future for Britain.

So can exclude them for that but I think they have a definite say in General Elections.
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Postby Kowani » Thu Nov 07, 2019 7:55 pm

Arkhane wrote:Generally speaking, old people had gone through several regimes and presidents so they pretty much have a better gauge on the country's affairs.

Younger voters are pretty much taken on by hype and popularity contests, they easily fall for platitudes and one dimensional charisma.

Looking at the voting trends of old people, you are catastrophically wrong.
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Postby The South Falls » Thu Nov 07, 2019 8:01 pm

Arkhane wrote:Generally speaking, old people had gone through several regimes and presidents so they pretty much have a better gauge on the country's affairs.

Younger voters are pretty much taken on by hype and popularity contests, they easily fall for platitudes and one dimensional charisma.

Trump is an example of platitudes and one dimensional charisma, imo. Old voters were much more welcoming of him.
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Postby Xmara » Thu Nov 07, 2019 8:07 pm

Totenborg wrote:
Piscina wrote:Personally, I think that as long as the voter has no mental problems, there should be no maximum age. I also think that minimum voting age should be lowered to sixteen, and that in an alternate world where it would be feasible, then everyone should have a mandatory IQ test once that reach sixteen, and that people who score below one hundred on that test should be barred from voting.

Screw that. IQ tests mean very little. All they mostly test is one's ability to take IQ tests.

Not to mention that 100 may be the exact average, but average really constitutes scores that fall within one standard deviation of 100 (so 85-115).

That and there really isn't a difference between someone with a score of 99 and a score of 100. It would be pretty unfair to exclude someone from voting just because they scored 1 point below (and if they were retested, they would probably score 100).
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Postby Shazbotdom » Thu Nov 07, 2019 8:12 pm

Nah.


Let's keep voting laws as they are.
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Postby Arkhane » Thu Nov 07, 2019 8:14 pm

The South Falls wrote:
Arkhane wrote:Generally speaking, old people had gone through several regimes and presidents so they pretty much have a better gauge on the country's affairs.

Younger voters are pretty much taken on by hype and popularity contests, they easily fall for platitudes and one dimensional charisma.

Trump is an example of platitudes and one dimensional charisma, imo. Old voters were much more welcoming of him.


Really? All things considered, love him or hate him, I'll have to admit he's doing well, for your average politician.

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Postby New Helliania » Thu Nov 07, 2019 8:19 pm

Perruzio Veloce wrote:
Aureumterra wrote:You’d be surprised

Nah. Just a standardized test and you're all good.

I hope? Am I missing something here?


Thats why I Said Heavily regulated myself, because yes, you are Missing something.

In the US in the 40, 50 & 60's (Before Civil rights) states Did have standardized tests required for Voting. Southern states would add questions that were almost impossible for minorities to answer in order to restrict voting of said minorities

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Postby New Periapsis » Thu Nov 07, 2019 8:22 pm

It's curious to see so many people say yes. I wonder if they'd mind if someone told them they weren't allowed to vote one day when they get older.

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Postby Kaystein » Thu Nov 07, 2019 8:53 pm

Iwassoclose wrote:Just like there is an age restriction for when people can vote there should also be an age restriction for when people have to stop voting.

These group of people are most actively chased after by politicians to the detriment of young people who are the main or future participants in the economy and future of a country.

Do you agree with this proposition?


That's a very ageist post OP. It shows a lack of connection to reality. You might want to work on that.

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Postby Lat-Errier » Thu Nov 07, 2019 8:57 pm

Yeah, no one should be able to vote.
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Perruzio Veloce
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Postby Perruzio Veloce » Thu Nov 07, 2019 9:12 pm

Lat-Errier wrote:Yeah, no one should be able to vote.

Make Papa smurf supreme leader
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Should old people be able to vote?

Postby Deacarsia » Thu Nov 07, 2019 9:21 pm

If anyone should be able to vote, then the vote should at least be restricted to legal adults who are net taxpayers, or who pay more in taxes than they receive from the government in benefits or income.

This way the people who vote for measures are the ones who have to pay for them, while anyone with a personal interest would be barred from voting.

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