Old people shouldn't be able to vote

[Fahran]

No. Just like old people can be swayed, how many young people are swayed by bad news sources (aka Fox, Vox) or the internet. I know some people very easily swayed by half truths in something like a social media post

Ever wonder why shitty news sources end with "ox"? Coincidence? Probably, yeah....

Pretty much all news sources are garbage these days, at least if they're taken alone.

[Fahran]

What a insane idea.

Your name makes me want to disagree with you, but, sadly, broken clocks and all that.

[Cekoviu]

I also didn't say they were all progressive.

You mentioned examples of liberal/progressive bias. I assumed the definition here was gonna be akin to those love letters people write to Sweden for mandating that men sit when they pee or Canada for reelecting the blackfacing woke bae.

You might be better served by not immediately assuming that terms are being semantically stretched past the confines of reality.

[Fahran]

You mentioned examples of liberal/progressive bias. I assumed the definition here was gonna be akin to those love letters people write to Sweden for mandating that men sit when they pee or Canada for reelecting the blackfacing woke bae.

You might be better served by not immediately assuming that terms are being semantically stretched past the confines of reality.

I presumed popular usage. I mean I can critique purely economic liberalism too, but that's a different critique. Muh economic man.

[MNIC]

This idea is actually a really good thing. Old people lack the ability to see farther into the future, because in that future, it doesn't matter to them because they hopefully will be in heaven (Or not) in 30-40 years. Young people see farther into the possible future, as it might effect them if the world is burning around us

[Australian rePublic]

This idea is actually a really good thing. Old people lack the ability to see farther into the future, because in that future, it doesn't matter to them because they hopefully will be in heaven (Or not) in 30-40 years. Young people see farther into the possible future, as it might effect them if the world is burning around us

You're acting as if they don't give a shit about their kids/grandkids

[MNIC]

This idea is actually a really good thing. Old people lack the ability to see farther into the future, because in that future, it doesn't matter to them because they hopefully will be in heaven (Or not) in 30-40 years. Young people see farther into the possible future, as it might effect them if the world is burning around us

You're acting as if they don't give a shit about their kids/grandkids

That might be true, but that doesn't stop them from voting for people that are going to support their life on the farm listening to 1940's trucker music.

[Imperium of Dragonia]

Oh look, more political gatekeeping.

[Farnhamia]

You're acting as if they don't give a shit about their kids/grandkids

That might be true, but that doesn't stop them from voting for people that are going to support their life on the farm listening to 1940's trucker music.

*giggles* 1940s trucker music? What the hell is that?

[The Free Joy State]

That might be true, but that doesn't stop them from voting for people that are going to support their life on the farm listening to 1940's trucker music.

*giggles* 1940s trucker music? What the hell is that?

Well, you know those 1940s truckers... blasting Billie Holiday from their record players. /s

[Ayytaly]

21-64. Anything beyond that range is prohibited. Must also have a job or degree (McDonalds burger flipper or doctorate in gender studies don't count.)

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

21-64. Anything beyond that range is prohibited. Must also have a job or degree (McDonalds burger flipper or doctorate in gender studies don't count.)

Dude, at that point why even bother with democracy? Why let people vote if you're gonna restrict people's right to vote?

[The Free Joy State]

21-64. Anything beyond that range is prohibited. Must also have a job or degree (McDonalds burger flipper or doctorate in gender studies don't count.)

Dude, at that point why even bother with democracy? Why let people vote if you're gonna restrict people's right to vote?

Yes, some people seem to be opting for the "Democracy for some, miniature flags for others" approach.

So, I have decided to do the same. If you can't beat 'em, join 'em.

I have decided to push for disenfranchisement of all people who have an A, an E, an I or an O in their forename or surname.

And, if that arbitrary exclusion seems ludicrous and unfair to the many, many people who will be disenfranchised (especially those calling for the disenfranchisement of others based on age, passing an easily manipulatable IQ test, or reaching any other arbitrary hurdle)… well, that's how arbitrary and unnecessary additional restrictions on voting (anything above, one adult gets one free vote) tend to look.

[Purpelia]

The only restriction we need is to up the age limit to 30 or so. Young people are way too hot headed and easily swayed by various stupid ideologies to be accountable.

[Ghost Land]

21-64. Anything beyond that range is prohibited. Must also have a job or degree (McDonalds burger flipper or doctorate in gender studies don't count.)

How about we just allow only men named Steve, Dave, or Mike to vote?

[The Free Joy State]

The only restriction we need is to up the age limit to 30 or so. Young people are way too hot headed and easily swayed by various stupid ideologies to be accountable.

Why should someone who can work, pay taxes, be tried as an adult, join the Army and die for their country (as well as drink or marry) be unable to have any say on the laws that decide their life?

Unless you're arguing that those under 30 should not be allowed to work, not pay taxes, should not be tried as an adult, should not be able to join the Army, should not be allowed to marry, or drink?

Tying the voting age to the age of majority is historically the reason why the minimum age has been 18... So, I can't see the reason for raising it, unless you want to raise the age of majority likewise.

[Petrolheadia]

This idea is actually a really good thing. Old people lack the ability to see farther into the future, because in that future, it doesn't matter to them because they hopefully will be in heaven (Or not) in 30-40 years. Young people see farther into the possible future, as it might effect them if the world is burning around us

I know very few young people (or people in general) who know where they will be in a decade, let alone 30 years. By that metric, only a very small fraction of the populstion should vote.

[Petrolheadia]

21-64. Anything beyond that range is prohibited. Must also have a job or degree (McDonalds burger flipper or doctorate in gender studies don't count.)

Because the interest of the old, or those in "wrong" jobs, don't matter?

[Gun Manufacturers]

21-64. Anything beyond that range is prohibited. Must also have a job or degree (McDonalds burger flipper or doctorate in gender studies don't count.)

Not only would that be unconstitutional, no politician would vote for it.

[Katganistan]

There better not be a growing number of liberals.

i think it's too late... everything is so 1 sided... most schools are liberal... most teachers are liberal... most students are liberal... thank you media for your fake bias and your fake hopes and promises that would destroy america

Perhaps if the so-called conservatives valued and got an education, they would be teachers as well?

Just a thought.

i think it's too late... everything is so 1 sided... most schools are liberal... most teachers are liberal... most students are liberal... thank you media for your fake bias and your fake hopes and promises that would destroy america

Don't forget that reality itself has a liberal bias.

And that it's part of the conservative base that doesn't value education and denies science in the name of either profit or religion. The complaint shouldn't be 'why are there so many liberal teachers', it should be 'why aren't conservatives stepping up and becoming teachers?'

This idea is actually a really good thing. Old people lack the ability to see farther into the future, because in that future, it doesn't matter to them because they hopefully will be in heaven (Or not) in 30-40 years. Young people see farther into the possible future, as it might effect them if the world is burning around us

Riiiiiight.

Because old people don't worry about what's going to affect their children and grandchildren.

Also, you do know the average lifespan is roughly 70-74 years -- so you're talking about disenfranchising 30 years olds.

That might be true, but that doesn't stop them from voting for people that are going to support their life on the farm listening to 1940's trucker music.

*giggles* 1940s trucker music? What the hell is that?

Apparently I missed the memo that I was supposed to move out of the city at 40 and live on a farm, too.

21-64. Anything beyond that range is prohibited. Must also have a job or degree (McDonalds burger flipper or doctorate in gender studies don't count.)

Dude, at that point why even bother with democracy? Why let people vote if you're gonna restrict people's right to vote?

Why even dignify statements like theirs with an answer?

The only restriction we need is to up the age limit to 30 or so. Young people are way too hot headed and easily swayed by various stupid ideologies to be accountable.

Nah, it's fine as it is.

VOTE TO NOT DISENFRANCHISE ANYONE WHO IS CURRENTLY LEGALLY ENTITLED TO VOTE.

[Necroghastia]

21-64. Anything beyond that range is prohibited. Must also have a job or degree (McDonalds burger flipper or doctorate in gender studies don't count.)

Please try and justify... literally any of that.

[Dregew]

Old people are still people, and so they should still have the right to vote. Everyone from 18 to death should be able to vote. Even though older people tend to disagree with what I think.. it's not about what I think, it's about what the people think.
I might be wrong about what's best for the people. You might be wrong. Diverse political opinions are good, because they prevent echo-chambers and extremism.

[Purpelia]

Why should someone who can work, pay taxes, be tried as an adult, join the Army and die for their country (as well as drink or marry) be unable to have any say on the laws that decide their life?

Because young people are too easily swayed by rhetoric and appeals to emotion and ideology due to the fact they have insufficient life experience to counter them. Notice how the numbers of SJW, neocommunists, neonazis etc. drops off with age until only the hardcore guys are left by the time you reach middle age. Every single radical movement, political ism and insane religious and ideological coup has always come on the backs of the 18-25 year olds.

Unless you're arguing that those under 30 should not be allowed to work, not pay taxes, should not be tried as an adult, should not be able to join the Army, should not be allowed to marry, or drink?

Actually I would relax or remove most restrictions from that list entirely. The only thing I wouldn't allow young people to do is vote, work and fight. Also I guess pedophilia is not cool. But drinking, being tried as an adult and that stuff I say should be from birth.

Tying the voting age to the age of majority is historically the reason why the minimum age has been 18... So, I can't see the reason for raising it, unless you want to raise the age of majority likewise.

Those unwilling to break with tradition are doomed to relive the mistakes of our past.

[Australian rePublic]

You're acting as if they don't give a shit about their kids/grandkids

That might be true, but that doesn't stop them from voting for people that are going to support their life on the farm listening to 1940's trucker music.

I might not sure if civilian trucks were common enough in the 1940's to warrant their own genre of music

[Salandriagado]

Why should someone who can work, pay taxes, be tried as an adult, join the Army and die for their country (as well as drink or marry) be unable to have any say on the laws that decide their life?

Because young people are too easily swayed by rhetoric and appeals to emotion and ideology due to the fact they have insufficient life experience to counter them. Notice how the numbers of SJW, neocommunists, neonazis etc. drops off with age until only the hardcore guys are left by the time you reach middle age. Every single radical movement, political ism and insane religious and ideological coup has always come on the backs of the 18-25 year olds.

Unless you're arguing that those under 30 should not be allowed to work, not pay taxes, should not be tried as an adult, should not be able to join the Army, should not be allowed to marry, or drink?

Actually I would relax or remove most restrictions from that list entirely. The only thing I wouldn't allow young people to do is vote, work and fight. Also I guess pedophilia is not cool. But drinking, being tried as an adult and that stuff I say should be from birth.

Tying the voting age to the age of majority is historically the reason why the minimum age has been 18... So, I can't see the reason for raising it, unless you want to raise the age of majority likewise.

Those unwilling to break with tradition are doomed to relive the mistakes of our past.

Except that the radical right-wing organisation currently running the US is almost exclusively composed of elderly people, and relies on elderly people as their primary voter base.