Republicans plot to Outright Steal Kentucky Gov. Election

[San Lumen]

and one that Bevin would have to pay for. Kentucky doesn't have automatic recounts and the Senate President seems be strongly hinting at thumbing his nose at the people of the state.

Given that the people of Kentucky didn't want Beshear, if anything it's giving them what they want. :^)

Beshear got the most votes therefore they did want him.

[Fahran]

and one that Bevin would have to pay for. Kentucky doesn't have automatic recounts and the Senate President seems be strongly hinting at thumbing his nose at the people of the state.

Yes, and, presumably, Bevin is willing to finance the recount if he goes ahead with requesting one. As far as I can discern, there's been no admission that they would flout the results altogether. The headline here is a bit of hysteria meant rile up Democrats.

[The East Marches II]

The state constitution does not require that one get a majority of votes for statewide office merely they get the most votes. How is it wrong for Beshear not to receive the office he won fair and square? Why do you hate democracy is the question you should be asking.

I do not hate democracy, it is clear that the majority of people in Kentucky have not voted for Beshear and his radical liberalism, instead favoring right of center candidates. Why should the majority be subjected to the will of a minority of voters? :^)

You're entirely right. We should stick to the principles of democracy on this one :^)

[Camelone]

A few thousand out of hundreds of thousands. And, as my article mentioned, that is unlikely but the possibility is still enough that Bevin is not being unreasonable in requesting a recount.

and he has to pay for that recount. There are no automatic recounts in Kentucky

You keep saying that like it matters to the point. Okay whoopie he would have to pay for it whatever. The point stands that contesting the vote within the margin of error, even if it has low probability of changing it, is a legitimate and legal political strategy and not “stealing the election”.

[Napkizemlja]

Given that the people of Kentucky didn't want Beshear, if anything it's giving them what they want. :^)

Beshear got the most votes therefore they did want him.

732k>709k. More people voted for someone other than Beshear. The state legislature of Kentucky is saving democracy!

[Thermodolia]

Given that the people of Kentucky didn't want Beshear, if anything it's giving them what they want. :^)

Beshear got the most votes therefore they did want him.

No the majority did not want him

[San Lumen]

and one that Bevin would have to pay for. Kentucky doesn't have automatic recounts and the Senate President seems be strongly hinting at thumbing his nose at the people of the state.

Yes, and, presumably, Bevin is willing to finance the recount if he goes ahead with requesting one. As far as I can discern, there's been no admission that they would flout the results altogether. The headline here is a bit of hysteria meant rile up Democrats.

I don't think its hysteria. The Senate President strongly hinted at flouting the results. If they want their state to be torn apart by unrest and mass protests this is a great way to do it.

This nearly happened in 1899 with William Goebel. The story is a bit complicated so reading this link is better than me trying to explain. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1899_Kent ... l_election

Goebel was shot the day before his inauguration and is to date the only Governor in US history to have been assassinated.

[USS Monitor]

If people wanted to vote for Bevin, they would have voted for Bevin instead of the Libertarian.

The Libertarians draw from both sides of the aisle, as well as attracting people that might otherwise sit out. The majority of their base are right-leaning, but unless you poll the Libertarians and ask them who their second choice is, you can't know how those votes would split. If you want to use "but the Libertarians would have chosen our guy as their second choice!" as an excuse, then you need to implement ranked choice voting and let voters actually give you that information.

[Imperium Polskie]

The state constitution does not require that one get a majority of votes for statewide office merely they get the most votes. How is it wrong for Beshear not to receive the office he won fair and square? Why do you hate democracy is the question you should be asking.

I do not hate democracy, it is clear that the majority of people in Kentucky have not voted for Beshear and his radical liberalism, instead favoring right of center candidates. Why should the majority be subjected to the will of a minority of voters? :^)

So then you support Donald Trump leaving office?

[San Lumen]

Beshear got the most votes therefore they did want him.

732k>709k. More people voted for someone other than Beshear. The state legislature of Kentucky is saving democracy!

Yeah how dare the person with most votes win!

Beshear got the most votes therefore they did want him.

No the majority did not want him

so? There is no provision for runoffs in Kentucky. You can't just change the election process because someone didnt get 50 percent.

[Napkizemlja]

Yes, and, presumably, Bevin is willing to finance the recount if he goes ahead with requesting one. As far as I can discern, there's been no admission that they would flout the results altogether. The headline here is a bit of hysteria meant rile up Democrats.

I don't think its hysteria. The Senate President strongly hinted at flouting the results. If they want their state to be torn apart by unrest and mass protests this is a great way to do it.

This nearly happened in 1899 with William Goebel. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1899_Kent ... l_election

Goebel was shot the day before his inauguration and is to date the only Governor in US history to have been assassinated.

Well we wouldn't have wanted a 19th century Democrat winning, now would we?

[Czechoslovakia and Zakarpatia]

Beshear got the most votes therefore they did want him.

732k>709k. More people voted for someone other than Beshear. The state legislature of Kentucky is saving democracy!

By trying to put someone in office that didn't even receive the most votes according to FPTP? I would support a run-off, but not denying Beshear (Who is much more moderate and centrist than most national Democrats, contrary to you claiming he is a "radical liberal") his victory just because the result was narrow.

[Thermodolia]

If people wanted to vote for Bevin, they would have voted for Bevin instead of the Libertarian.

The Libertarians draw from both sides of the aisle, as well as attracting people that might otherwise sit out. The majority of their base are right-leaning, but unless you poll the Libertarians and ask them who their second choice is, you can't know how those votes would split. If you want to use "but the Libertarians would have chosen our guy as their second choice!" as an excuse, then you need to implement ranked choice voting and let voters actually give you that information.

Or you do what France and Georgia (US state) do and run another election with just top two candidates

[San Lumen]

I don't think its hysteria. The Senate President strongly hinted at flouting the results. If they want their state to be torn apart by unrest and mass protests this is a great way to do it.

This nearly happened in 1899 with William Goebel. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1899_Kent ... l_election

Goebel was shot the day before his inauguration and is to date the only Governor in US history to have been assassinated.

Well we wouldn't have wanted a 19th century Democrat winning, now would we?

That isnt the point and you know it. There were legitimate allegations of fraud in 1899 unlike here that might have affected the outcome. The initial result was overturned but the unrest caused a assassination. Who shot Goebel remains a mystery to this day.

[USS Monitor]

It's not automatic. He has to go through a process to request a recanvas and to formally contest the results. The state constitution does allow for that.

There isnt any basis to contest the result. There is no evidence of fraud. Bevin simply can't accept he lost the election and apparently neither can the legislature

The fact that the election was close is a legitimate reason why he might ask for a recount. It's actually pretty common to have recounts in close races.

There is no reason for the state legislature to step in, though.

[Thermodolia]

732k>709k. More people voted for someone other than Beshear. The state legislature of Kentucky is saving democracy!

By trying to put someone in office that didn't even receive the most votes according to FPTP? I would support a run-off, but not denying Beshear (Who is much more moderate and centrist than most national Democrats, contrary to you claiming he is a "radical liberal") his victory just because the result was narrow.

No nap is advocating for a runoff and a recount. He’s not saying that Bevin should be automatically made Governor.

[Zurkerx]

The state constitution does not require that one get a majority of votes for statewide office merely they get the most votes. How is it wrong for Beshear not to receive the office he won fair and square? Why do you hate democracy is the question you should be asking.

It’s evident that the majority do not want Bershear to be the governor, it’s also evident that the majority don’t want any of the other candidates to be governor either. So the only way to fix this is to have another election with just the top two candidates. That way at least one of them will get 50%+1.

He can call for a recanvas though I suspect the result will be the same: Bevin lost.

However, I do agree that a rule allowing run-off elections should be done for future elections. After all, it should be what a majority says, not a plurality.

[San Lumen]

By trying to put someone in office that didn't even receive the most votes according to FPTP? I would support a run-off, but not denying Beshear (Who is much more moderate and centrist than most national Democrats, contrary to you claiming he is a "radical liberal") his victory just because the result was narrow.

No nap is advocating for a runoff and a recount. He’s not saying that Bevin should be automatically made Governor.

And as I already told you there is no provision in the state constitution for a runoff election as it merely requires one get the most votes.

[San Lumen]

There isnt any basis to contest the result. There is no evidence of fraud. Bevin simply can't accept he lost the election and apparently neither can the legislature

The fact that the election was close is a legitimate reason why he might ask for a recount. It's actually pretty common to have recounts in close races.

There is no reason for the state legislature to step in, though.

It appears they very well might

[Napkizemlja]

Well we wouldn't have wanted a 19th century Democrat winning, now would we?

That isnt the point and you know it. There were legitimate allegations of fraud in 1899 unlike here that might have affected the outcome. The initial result was overturned but the unrest caused a assassination. Who shot Goebel remains a mystery to this day.

And given the closeness of this election, it's perfectly legitimate to contest it. Happens quite often in close races.

[Thermodolia]

732k>709k. More people voted for someone other than Beshear. The state legislature of Kentucky is saving democracy!

Yeah how dare the person with most votes win!

No the majority did not want him

so? There is no provision for runoffs in Kentucky. You can't just change the election process because someone didnt get 50 percent.

Actually that sounds like a very good reason to change the election process

[San Lumen]

That isnt the point and you know it. There were legitimate allegations of fraud in 1899 unlike here that might have affected the outcome. The initial result was overturned but the unrest caused a assassination. Who shot Goebel remains a mystery to this day.

And given the closeness of this election, it's perfectly legitimate to contest it. Happens quite often in close races.

why? There is zero evidence of fraud.

[Zurkerx]

If people wanted to vote for Bevin, they would have voted for Bevin instead of the Libertarian.

The Libertarians draw from both sides of the aisle, as well as attracting people that might otherwise sit out. The majority of their base are right-leaning, but unless you poll the Libertarians and ask them who their second choice is, you can't know how those votes would split. If you want to use "but the Libertarians would have chosen our guy as their second choice!" as an excuse, then you need to implement ranked choice voting and let voters actually give you that information.

This ship knows it stuff right here. When can I take you to the shipyard- I mean, keep up the good work.

[Thermodolia]

No nap is advocating for a runoff and a recount. He’s not saying that Bevin should be automatically made Governor.

And as I already told you there is no provision in the state constitution for a runoff election as it merely requires one get the most votes.

And? That doesn’t prevent people from saying that there should be a runoff.

[San Lumen]

Yeah how dare the person with most votes win!



so? There is no provision for runoffs in Kentucky. You can't just change the election process because someone didnt get 50 percent.

Actually that sounds like a very good reason to change the election process

Ok but you change it after the person is sworn in who won with plurality