Republicans plot to Outright Steal Kentucky Gov. Election

[Dresderstan]

Lumen just admit it, you don't fucking care about democracy, you only care when it suits yourself and those you support.

[San Lumen]

So I take it everyone here is fine with removing Trump after all then since he failed to win an absolute majority of the popular vote? Or does that only matter when it suits you?

He won a majority of the electoral vote, in this race however, no one won the majority

So what? Beshear won fair and square under the rules. You dont get to change them because you dont like the outcome

[United Muscovite Nations]

Seems you only care about the popular vote when it suits you

whoever gets the most votes should be elected regardless of who wins it.

No one won the popular vote. In such a case, there should be a second election held.

for the third time there is no provision in the state constitution for that.

Then the state constitution is undemocratic. No one should sit in office who received under 50% of the vote.

[Vassenor]

Lumen just admit it, you don't fucking care about democracy, you only care when it suits yourself and those you support.

Saying the person who won by the rules of the election should take office is not caring about democracy?

[Zjaum]

Didn't an extremely similar fuss happen with Stacey Abrams (D) with the gubernatorial race in Georgia?

Nobody cares about democracy if it doesn't suit them. Seriously, just consider all the outrage over a legitimately elected Trump.

[San Lumen]

Lumen just admit it, you don't fucking care about democracy, you only care when it suits yourself and those you support.

Oh so you would support overturning the election because the people had the audacity to vote a Democrat?

[United Muscovite Nations]

He won a majority of the electoral vote, in this race however, no one won the majority

So what line in the state constitution requires that the winner receive over 50% of the vote?

Why should we subjugate democracy to written rules that are undemocratic?

[Aureumterra]

No one won the popular vote, you need over 50%

Pretty sure getting a plurality is still winning unless you're trying to invent reasons to pretend your preferred candidate didn't lose.

Getting a plurality is winning the office of governor in Kentucky, winning the “popular vote” by definition is winning 50% or more

Also I don’t live in Kentucky (or America), so I don’t have a preferred candidate

[San Lumen]

whoever gets the most votes should be elected regardless of who wins it.

for the third time there is no provision in the state constitution for that.

Then the state constitution is undemocratic. No one should sit in office who received under 50% of the vote.

That can be changed after the person who won is sworn in. To deny Beshear the office he won fairly and democratically is also undemocratic

[United Muscovite Nations]

Then the state constitution is undemocratic. No one should sit in office who received under 50% of the vote.

That can be changed after the person who won is sworn in. To deny Beshear the office he won fairly and democratically is also undemocratic

Winning under 50% of the vote is, almost by definition, undemocratic.

[Vassenor]

whoever gets the most votes should be elected regardless of who wins it.

for the third time there is no provision in the state constitution for that.

Then the state constitution is undemocratic. No one should sit in office who received under 50% of the vote.

So you admit the electoral college is undemocratic then?

[Fahran]

So I take it everyone here is fine with removing Trump after all then since he failed to win an absolute majority of the popular vote? Or does that only matter when it suits you?

My sole argument was that this does not constitute an attempt to steal the governorship. The incumbent is challenging an election result that came down to a 0.7% point difference and is requesting a recount that he himself will have to finance. Jill Stein raised money for a recount in 2016 and, while I found it a bit annoying given that it involved multiple states with much more pronounced results, it wasn't an attempt to "outright steal" the presidency.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Then the state constitution is undemocratic. No one should sit in office who received under 50% of the vote.

So you admit the electoral college is undemocratic then?

Naturally.

[Fahran]

Then the state constitution is undemocratic. No one should sit in office who received under 50% of the vote.

So you admit the electoral college is undemocratic then?

He's an anarchist... So probably.

[Aureumterra]

So I take it everyone here is fine with removing Trump after all then since he failed to win an absolute majority of the popular vote? Or does that only matter when it suits you?

My sole argument was that this does not constitute an attempt to steal the governorship. The incumbent is challenging an election result that came down to a 0.7% point difference and is requesting a recount that he himself will have to finance. Jill Stein raised money for a recount in 2016 and, while I found it a bit annoying given that it involved multiple states with much more pronounced results, it wasn't an attempt to "outright steal" the presidency.

It’s Lumen’s clickbait thread title

[Zjaum]

You know what? There seem to be too many cooks in the kitchen.

And too few of them know how to cook.

I think I'm going to bow out of this conversation. Thank you for your thoughts, though!

[Vassenor]

So I take it everyone here is fine with removing Trump after all then since he failed to win an absolute majority of the popular vote? Or does that only matter when it suits you?

My sole argument was that this does not constitute an attempt to steal the governorship. The incumbent is challenging an election result that came down to a 0.7% point difference and is requesting a recount that he himself will have to finance. Jill Stein raised money for a recount in 2016 and, while I found it a bit annoying given that it involved multiple states with much more pronounced results, it wasn't an attempt to "outright steal" the presidency.

So it's just a coincidence that the loser is demanding the result be placed in the hands of a legislature his party controls outright.

[San Lumen]

That can be changed after the person who won is sworn in. To deny Beshear the office he won fairly and democratically is also undemocratic

Winning under 50% of the vote is, almost by definition, undemocratic.

Its that's your opinion fine. But one is not required to get a majority of votes to win statewide in the state. It would not be fair or democratic to deny Beshear the office he was duly elected too

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4 ... orial-race
Bevin has formally requested a recanvas.

[The Lone Alliance]

Didn't an extremely similar fuss happen with Stacey Abrams (D) with the gubernatorial race in Georgia?

Nobody cares about democracy if it doesn't suit them. Seriously, just consider all the outrage over a legitimately elected Trump.

I believe San Lumen thought that election was stolen too.

My sole argument was that this does not constitute an attempt to steal the governorship. The incumbent is challenging an election result that came down to a 0.7% point difference and is requesting a recount that he himself will have to finance. Jill Stein raised money for a recount in 2016 and, while I found it a bit annoying given that it involved multiple states with much more pronounced results, it wasn't an attempt to "outright steal" the presidency.

So it's just a coincidence that the loser is demanding the result be placed in the hands of a legislature his party controls outright.

And it's highly unlikely that they'll be successful in getting away with overturning the election, hell if they throw out this election I seriously would agree this would have to go to the courts as a constitutional crisis.

And it rightfully should in that case.

Hell and if it is ruled as violating the constitution then all that'll likely get is some of the Republicans in Kentucky's congress thrown out for violating laws.

[San Lumen]

Didn't an extremely similar fuss happen with Stacey Abrams (D) with the gubernatorial race in Georgia?

Nobody cares about democracy if it doesn't suit them. Seriously, just consider all the outrage over a legitimately elected Trump.

I believe San Lumen thought that election was stolen too.

well you did have serious problems with voting machines and poll closings in the Atlanta metro area but we aren't talking about Georgia

[United Muscovite Nations]

Winning under 50% of the vote is, almost by definition, undemocratic.

Its that's your opinion fine. But one is not required to get a majority of votes to win statewide in the state. It would not be fair or democratic to deny Beshear the office he was duly elected too

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4 ... orial-race
Bevin has formally requested a recanvas.

Constitutions are innately undemocratic. Procedure shouldn't have precedence over the universal will. No matter who wins, 50% of the state has to put up with a government that they don't consent to be governed by. Such a democracy is itself not a true democracy. It is not rule by the people, but rather rule by some of the people.

[Gagium]

Nobody cares about democracy if it doesn't suit them.

Yes, yes, this unfortunately is the truth these days..

[Fahran]

So it's just a coincidence that the loser is demanding the result be placed in the hands of a legislature his party controls outright.

From my understanding, the process will be managed by the Kentucky Election Board under the supervision of the state legislature - which makes sense given that the state constitution leaves a few procedural gaps. I would wait until we see actual signs of foul play before peddling in hysteria. But asking for a recount and contesting results isn't stealing an election.

[The Lone Alliance]

So it's just a coincidence that the loser is demanding the result be placed in the hands of a legislature his party controls outright.

From my understanding, the process will be managed by the Kentucky Election Board under the supervision of the state legislature - which makes sense given that the state constitution leaves a few procedural gaps. I would wait until we see actual signs of foul play before peddling in hysteria. But asking for a recount and contesting results isn't stealing an election.

It's just usual sore loserism.

Which considering the political situation in this country, isn't that surprising.

[San Lumen]

So it's just a coincidence that the loser is demanding the result be placed in the hands of a legislature his party controls outright.

From my understanding, the process will be managed by the Kentucky Election Board under the supervision of the state legislature - which makes sense given that the state constitution leaves a few procedural gaps. I would wait until we see actual signs of foul play before peddling in hysteria. But asking for a recount and contesting results isn't stealing an election.

If it were just that fine but the Senate President strongly hinted at overturning the will of the people.