Dresden declares 'Nazi emergency'

[Vetalia]

"People we disagree with are literal monsters and are completely unworthy of consideration or respect. Now to Chaz with sports."

"Anti-democratic, anti-pluralist, misanthropic and right-wing extremist forces are threatening the construction of the Anti-Fascist Protection Rampart in Berlin. Thousands of these former Nazis are attempting to flee the construction of the new socialist society Marshall Ivan Konev of the Group of Soviet Forces in Germany will be our guest tonight, explaining why this defensive measure is so important against Western intrusion."

[Kaystein]

To be serious, if there's anywhere we do have to keep an eye out for neo-nazi activity, it's Germany. Sorry Germans, but you lot know it's true.

[Neu Leonstein]

Now lets get to the meat of the issue. Most of the time when stuff like this gets brought up people go on about how we need to ban these groups and hate speech and so on.

Really? Have you read this thread? It's just one giant circular wank of people proclaiming this article to be evidence of an authoritarian mainstream lefty hysteria.

Quit fighting shadows.

[Geneviev]

To be serious, if there's anywhere we do have to keep an eye out for neo-nazi activity, it's Germany. Sorry Germans, but you lot know it's true.

Most of Germany is actually fine. We learned from the past. It's just that Dresden, and all of Sachsen, still has those problems.

[Greed and Death]

Is this an Emergency or an excuse to ban a parties collectively receiving nearly 1 out of every 5 votes ?

[Sovaal]

Now lets get to the meat of the issue. Most of the time when stuff like this gets brought up people go on about how we need to ban these groups and hate speech and so on.

Really? Have you read this thread? It's just one giant circular wank of people proclaiming this article to be evidence of an authoritarian mainstream lefty hysteria.

Quit fighting shadows.

Don't be so dense to act as if though NSG is a representative of the real world and all beliefs in it. Believe it or not people do support such actions in response to things such as this.

[The Lone Alliance]

its an attempt by closeted authoritarians to have a grip on power.

Or maybe, "A bunch of people hate refugees here, we are worried they might turn violent."

Easy enough fix, take the refugees and put them somewhere else, I'm sure the refugees know the people of Dresden hate them and likely don't want to be settled there either, so it'd also be wrong to send them there.

Actually... I wouldn't be surprised if this actually was a ploy by politicians in Dresden just to have that happen, it could all just be a ploy to keep refugees out of the city.

It just appeases their voting base while insulting them at the same time.

[Neu Leonstein]

Don't be so dense to act as if though NSG is a representative of the real world and all beliefs in it. Believe it or not people do support such actions in response to things such as this.

Then NSG is not the place for your arguments, is it? Instead what you're doing is engaging in emotional gratification by having a rant and only getting positive reinforcement as a response. As is virtually everyone else on this thread.

And sadly, most of NSG ist pretty much that these days. Especially when it comes to these vacuous outpourings of "but muh free speech".

For example, one could turn this thread into a discussion about whether there is a increase in right-wing extremism as a motivation for crimes in East Germany. Or to what extent things like the NSU saga are evidence that the government and security apparatus in East Germany is not committed to the Basic Law. Or what, if anything, could be done to bring people who march in Pegida events back to trusting in the institutions of German democracy.

But instead we all just assume that actually there's nothing wrong, and the SJWs are at it again, and aren't we all smart for seeing through their shenanigans!

[The Lone Alliance]

Don't be so dense to act as if though NSG is a representative of the real world and all beliefs in it. Believe it or not people do support such actions in response to things such as this.

Then NSG is not the place for your arguments, is it? Instead what you're doing is engaging in emotional gratification by having a rant and only getting positive reinforcement as a response. As is virtually everyone else on this thread.

And sadly, most of NSG ist pretty much that these days. Especially when it comes to these vacuous outpourings of "but muh free speech".

For example, one could turn this thread into a discussion about whether there is a increase in right-wing extremism as a motivation for crimes in East Germany. Or to what extent things like the NSU saga are evidence that the government and security apparatus in East Germany is not committed to the Basic Law. Or what, if anything, could be done to bring people who march in Pegida events back to trusting in the institutions of German democracy.


But instead we all just assume that actually there's nothing wrong, and the SJWs are at it again, and aren't we all smart for seeing through their shenanigans!

I think the biggest thing that is confusing is the use of Emergency.

The issue is that this isn't really an emergency in the sense that this is a new and dramatic problem, Dresden has been like this for years, even before the migrant crisis.

And looking into it more the party that decided to issue this was a German joke party which was trying to parody all the Climate Emergency bills other cities are passing right now.

[Major-Tom]

Seems pretty silly to me tbh, the article didn't really lay out anything that screams emergency.

its an attempt by closeted authoritarians to have a grip on power.

Oh c'mon, even you guys can't be this willing to flagrantly ignore the rise of extremism. You could call yourself staunchly right-wing and nationalistic and still see these nazi cumwads and declare them to be a menace and cause for emergency.

Nazism is the asshole of ideologies, the festering, evil, putrid place for the worst sorts of people to call a refuge. In any city or region where that dumpster fire of an ideology is growing, they have every right to call it an emergency. It's not some headline of "the nationalists are surging," it's more "literal Nazi puke stains are growing."

[Major-Tom]

Then NSG is not the place for your arguments, is it? Instead what you're doing is engaging in emotional gratification by having a rant and only getting positive reinforcement as a response. As is virtually everyone else on this thread.

And sadly, most of NSG ist pretty much that these days. Especially when it comes to these vacuous outpourings of "but muh free speech".

For example, one could turn this thread into a discussion about whether there is a increase in right-wing extremism as a motivation for crimes in East Germany. Or to what extent things like the NSU saga are evidence that the government and security apparatus in East Germany is not committed to the Basic Law. Or what, if anything, could be done to bring people who march in Pegida events back to trusting in the institutions of German democracy.


But instead we all just assume that actually there's nothing wrong, and the SJWs are at it again, and aren't we all smart for seeing through their shenanigans!

I think the biggest thing that is confusing is the use of Emergency.

The issue is that this isn't really an emergency in the sense that this is a new and dramatic problem, Dresden has been like this for years, even before the migrant crisis.

And looking into it more the party that decided to issue this was a German joke party which was trying to parody all the Climate Emergency bills other cities are passing right now.

If it's always been a problem, as you've said, then perhaps it's even more prudent to rather symbolically say "Hey, this is kinda urgent, let's call it an emergency!"

It's not targeting the folks who might wanna vote AFD, as much as I fundamentally disagree with them on everything, it's not about typical right-wing populistic voter bases, but about legitimate extremists. And even then, it's less targeting and more raising awareness. East Germany has seen extremism as an issue ever since the fall of the DDR, if a large East German city is finally willing to raise public awareness for that, good on 'em.

[Thermodolia]

Bomb people cuz their views are mean

...

It’s a joke referencing that Dresden was the first city targeted by the RAF bomber command in WWII.

Bomber Harris do it again

[Thermodolia]

ISIS was a splinter cell of Al-Qaeda, post Iraq war gave them the perfect conditions to split away fully and become the ISIS we know and hate today.

maybe we should not have withdrawn in the first place.

sure it gave Obama a lot of postitve PR.

We shouldn’t have invaded in the first place. And we should have propped up a dictator instead of trying to spread democracy to a place where it clearly hasn’t worked.

[Thermodolia]

Now lets get to the meat of the issue. Most of the time when stuff like this gets brought up people go on about how we need to ban these groups and hate speech and so on.

Really? Have you read this thread? It's just one giant circular wank of people proclaiming this article to be evidence of an authoritarian mainstream lefty hysteria.

Quit fighting shadows.

I don’t really see anyone saying it’s lefty hysteria except for you

[Ordenstaat Burgundy]

Really? Have you read this thread? It's just one giant circular wank of people proclaiming this article to be evidence of an authoritarian mainstream lefty hysteria.

Quit fighting shadows.

I don’t really see anyone saying it’s lefty hysteria except for you

Don't bother with the MSN article as it really doesn't do anything other than give a distorted view of the situation. Check the BBC version
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-50266955

Basically it's less a nazi emergency than it is a resolution meant to symbolically condemn right wing extremism, even the vote to enact the resolution was 39-29 so it was fairly close. TLDR the MSN article is nothing more than fearmongering/a leftist spin job.

[SD_Film Artists]

It's just a political stunt. While it's apparently true that there's an increase in far-right activity, it's rather hyperbolic to call it an "emergency". You'd think that Nazi zombies are rising from the earth but what it actually means is 'far-right parties have a marginally increased vote share'. Even the author of the statement said that he mostly just done it to see the political leanings of his colleagues. Wait...if I'm against this then does that mean I'm a Nazi too??

[Sovaal]

Don't be so dense to act as if though NSG is a representative of the real world and all beliefs in it. Believe it or not people do support such actions in response to things such as this.

Then NSG is not the place for your arguments, is it?

Considering that one of the functions of this place is the discussion of politics I say I'm in the right place.

Instead what you're doing is engaging in emotional gratification by having a rant and only getting positive reinforcement as a response. As is virtually everyone else on this thread.

If I wanted fucking emotional gratification I would go fucking live my actual life instead of debating strangers on the internet. And I posted a total of three times on this thread counting this reply, so what makes you think I give a shit what anyone else here thinks? If I was truly wanting to have my ego stroke don't you think I would be egging them on?

And sadly, most of NSG ist pretty much that these days. Especially when it comes to these vacuous outpourings of "but muh free speech".

And this is exactly what the hell I'm talking about. Free speech is the corner stone of our society, or it least it should be, and it should apply to everyone. Believe it or not I'm not a total idiot, just mostly one, and I know of way to many examples of societies where "muh free speech" is not protected I would rather be dead then live in any of those, because at the end of the day the state isn't your friend and frankly no one should trust them with regulate most forms of speech.
But no, its a fucking joke now.

For example, one could turn this thread into a discussion about whether there is a increase in right-wing extremism as a motivation for crimes in East Germany. Or to what extent things like the NSU saga are evidence that the government and security apparatus in East Germany is not committed to the Basic Law.

Than would it not be better for you to discuss that then insult me?

Or what, if anything, could be done to bring people who march in Pegida events back to trusting in the institutions of German democracy.

Something I address in my original comment actually.

But instead we all just assume that actually there's nothing wrong, and the SJWs are at it again, and aren't we all smart for seeing through their shenanigans!

Never said that. Said if it's actually a problem that's going to result in a far right take over and destruction of German democracy than soft countermeasures such as restricting free speech and public display by them isn't really going to solve the problem. Frankly if they're really that fucking dangerous to society as many people claim they are, and as you suggest they are, than they need to be arrested, maybe even proclaimed a terrorist organization. Dealt with by force even.

[The New California Republic]

Dresden is a lovely city, really liked staying there. The vast majority of the time you don't notice this shit.

[Geneviev]

Dresden is a lovely city, really liked staying there. The vast majority of the time you don't notice this shit.

When I was there with my cousin, I actually saw groups of Nazis a few times. It's kind of known for that.

[The Two Jerseys]

Is this an Emergency or an excuse to ban a parties collectively receiving nearly 1 out of every 5 votes ?

The latter.

Because you don't need to fix the issues that are causing people to support the right-wing parties when you can just outlaw them instead.

[The New California Republic]

Dresden is a lovely city, really liked staying there. The vast majority of the time you don't notice this shit.

When I was there with my cousin, I actually saw groups of Nazis a few times. It's kind of known for that.

I never noticed them tbh. I think there was only one time where I suspected they might have been far right guys, but they weren't really doing anything other than sitting on a wall and chatting.

[Geneviev]

When I was there with my cousin, I actually saw groups of Nazis a few times. It's kind of known for that.

I never noticed them tbh. I think there was only one time where I suspected they might have been far right guys, but they weren't really doing anything other than sitting on a wall and chatting.

It's Dresden. You were probably right.

[Thermodolia]

I don’t really see anyone saying it’s lefty hysteria except for you

Don't bother with the MSN article as it really doesn't do anything other than give a distorted view of the situation. Check the BBC version
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-50266955

Basically it's less a nazi emergency than it is a resolution meant to symbolically condemn right wing extremism, even the vote to enact the resolution was 39-29 so it was fairly close. TLDR the MSN article is nothing more than fearmongering/a leftist spin job.

If the MSN is leftist than I must be really far left or your just really far right

[Greed and Death]

Seems pretty silly to me tbh, the article didn't really lay out anything that screams emergency.

Shh, stop thinking.

You're supposed to be scared, not curious.

A large number of people are voting in ways the majority do not like hence an emergency.

[Purpelia]

Shh, stop thinking.

You're supposed to be scared, not curious.

A large number of people are voting in ways the majorityestablishment do not like hence an emergency.

More like it.