LEAST Favorite Time / Event of History

[Great Buptain and Toadstool]

Treaty of Versailles (I'm not German tho, I just feel sympathy). If it was fairer, WW2 might have never happened.

If WW1 somehow never happened (or if Germany won, but I digress), then we would be in a better place.

Kaiserreich isn't a utopia, but it is at least marginally better than our interwar period. Especially if you go down the Kalterkrieg timeline.

[Atheris]

If WW1 somehow never happened (or if Germany won, but I digress), then we would be in a better place.

Kaiserreich isn't a utopia, but it is at least marginally better than our interwar period. Especially if you go down the Kalterkrieg timeline.

A victorious Germany wouldn't be a utopia - utopia is impossible.

It would be much better, though. Less violence in the middle east, no WW2 or Holocaust (as we know it), no Soviet Union (most likely)...

Not to mention Kaiserreich is a bit ASB.

[Great Buptain and Toadstool]

Yeah, there are quite a few elements of the KR universe that exist solely because it is a video game mod.

[Vetalia]

Congo Free State, 1885-1908. The sheer depravity and lack of basic humanity that occurred at the time are staggering in their cruelty and the consequences of this period continue to the present day, costing literally tens of millions of innocent lives.

Khmer Rouge, 1975-1979. This period is unique as being ruled by a government that literally did nothing good at all for its population. At all. There is literally not one good thing the Khmer Rouge did during their time in power, they just destroyed and killed. The only other comparable state I can think of is Macias Nguema's Equatorial Guinea. Even Idi Amin did some good things, not many, but some.

[Saturna1ia]

1968 in the United States

1. Tet Offensive marks the beginning of the end of American involvement in Vietnam
2. Martin Luther King Jr is assassinated
3. Robert F Kennedy is assassinated
4. George Wallace wins 5 southern states in the presidential election
5. Nixon is elected president (I personally support many of the policies he enacted, but still)

[Sundiata]

Tough, there are many grim chapters in human history to choose from.

1) Roman persecution of Christians.
2) The Holocaust
3) The Transatlantic Slave Trade.
4) The Eugenics Movement
5) The Sexual Revolution (the normalization of abortion, contraception, premarital sex, divorce, pornography)

Normalization of pornography? Porn’s existed since at least Ancient Rome. Contraception as well.You’re a bit late.

Somehow, I doubt that the intent of ancient artists are the same as contemporary pornographers who exploit the poor in spirit.

As for contraception-use, it's monstrous, especially as life and the ability to transmit it through the marital act is one of God's many gifts.

I don't want to disrupt the course of discussion by delving into theology so if you'd like me to speak more depth, there's always the Christian thread.

[Kubra]

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[Saturna1ia]

Tough, there are many grim chapters in human history to choose from.

4) The Eugenics Movement

I am in no way trying to take away from the nationalistic,ethnic,and racial weaponization of the field throughout human history, but eugenics from a purely scientific perspective is an undertaking with benevolent intent. The term is sure to be revived with the use of gene-editing technology in the near future.

[Kubra]

Tough, there are many grim chapters in human history to choose from.

4) The Eugenics Movement

I am in no way trying to take away from the nationalistic,ethnic,and racial weaponization of the field throughout human history, but eugenics from a purely scientific perspective is an undertaking with benevolent intent. The term is sure to be revived with the use of gene-editing technology in the near future.

sure but we won't call it eugenics
Y'know, if we find out skull-shape allows us to determine cancer types, we probably won't call the study of that phrenology.

[Heloin]

Somehow, I doubt that the intent of ancient artists are the same as contemporary pornographers who exploit the poor in spirit.

You really need to brush up on your history.

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[Saturna1ia]

sure but we won't call it eugenics
Y'know, if we find out skull-shape allows us to determine cancer types, we probably won't call the study of that phrenology.

I think it should still be called eugenics, or at the very least 21st/22nd century eugenics, and will call it that because that's what it is. Also, a name change would make it easier to forget or sweep under the rug historical atrocities committed in the name of the field.

[Napkizemlja]

Sometime in the year 1962 in the city of Chatham, Ontario. A horrendous blight was first given life then.

[Farnhamia]

Somehow, I doubt that the intent of ancient artists are the same as contemporary pornographers who exploit the poor in spirit.

You really need to brush up on your history.

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[Sino-Mehxicolan]

There are at least a few such as the times knowledge [and culture] was apparently/probably lost like with the burning of the library of Alexandra and times where important documents were destroyed (this purportedly happened to some Mayan texts, yet there were other sources eventually found). The World Wars are also some times that has a lot of problems from start to finish.

[Kubra]

sure but we won't call it eugenics
Y'know, if we find out skull-shape allows us to determine cancer types, we probably won't call the study of that phrenology.

I think it should still be called eugenics, or at the very least 21st/22nd century eugenics, and will call it that because that's what it is. Also, a name change would make it easier to forget or sweep under the rug historical atrocities committed in the name of the field.

Well y'know it's how it happens. There's a smattering of eugenicists that can be rehabilitated, and the easiest way to do it without getting folks thinking about the rest is bringing on a name change. Like with chemistry: if an alchemist actually did something proper towards the foundation of what has become chemistry then they're now an early innovator in the field, instead of just an alchemist.

[Greed and Death]

For me, I think I'm gonna say, the arrival of Columbus into the Americas.
It marked the enslavement/ colonization of the majority of the native population of one continent, and the genocide of another.

Good one.

For me personally, the Great Leap Forward has to be the most hated historical event. Especially the part with the sparrows. People under Maoist China killed exterminated the Eurasian Tree Sparrow in mainland China, which, along with other events, caused a famine in which somewhere between 18 and 65 million people died.

18 to 65 million. Not counting all the sparrows. Totalitarianism - not even once.

Kill the Sparrows because they eat grain. Opps they also ate bugs that eat even more grain.

[The Free Joy State]

Normalization of pornography? Porn’s existed since at least Ancient Rome. Contraception as well.You’re a bit late.

Somehow, I doubt that the intent of ancient artists are the same as contemporary pornographers who exploit the poor in spirit.

If you haven't, I suggest you actually see the link before dismissing it so readily:

The ubiquity of such imagery and items indicates that the treatment of sexuality in ancient Rome was more relaxed than current Western culture.

As for contraception-use, it's monstrous, especially as life and the ability to transmit it through the marital act is one of God's many gifts.

And contraception use allows "marital acts" to be enjoyed without the risk of pregnancy. But this is not the place.

Incidentally, divorce has also been available for hundreds of years, and premarital sex has never not existed.

To answer the OP, the worst (as in "most horrible") events through all of history, I would cite the Holocaust, Holodomor, the Rwandan genocide and the Witch Trials.

[Ethel mermania]

Tough, there are many grim chapters in human history to choose from.

4) The Eugenics Movement

I am in no way trying to take away from the nationalistic,ethnic,and racial weaponization of the field throughout human history, but eugenics from a purely scientific perspective is an undertaking with benevolent intent. The term is sure to be revived with the use of gene-editing technology in the near future.

Hitlers intent was to be good for the german people. How did that work out?

[Totenborg]

Agreed. I'm astonished that there are still people out there supporting the ideas of authoritarianism and totalitarianism, given the horrors produced by those styles of governance.

But that's literally you.

Sure. Anti-authoritarianism is now the same as authoritarianism. Anyway, this is the wrong place to get into this.

[Grenartia]

Can I say the current period of time?

[The Free Joy State]

I am in no way trying to take away from the nationalistic,ethnic,and racial weaponization of the field throughout human history, but eugenics from a purely scientific perspective is an undertaking with benevolent intent. The term is sure to be revived with the use of gene-editing technology in the near future.

Hitlers intent was to be good for the german people. How did that work out?

It's always worth remembering that. People never undertake villainous actions with the intention of being villainous.

They never view themselves as -- I've got to trot out Nineteen-Eighty-Four again -- "the boot stomping on the human face". Throughout history, those who have done the worst things have generally taken the view that they are operating from a position of purity, superiority, morality... "the end justifies the means". History seldom vindicates them.

[Grenartia]

Hitlers intent was to be good for the german people. How did that work out?

It's always worth remembering that. People never undertake villainous actions with the intention of being villainous.

They never view themselves as -- I've got to trot out Nineteen-Eighty-Four again -- "the boot stomping on the human face". Throughout history, those who have done the worst things have generally taken the view that they are operating from a position of purity, superiority, morality... "the end justifies the means". History seldom vindicates them.

In other words, everyone is the hero of their own story, and the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

[Nakena]

Can I say the current period of time?

What makes it the worst of all times?

[The Free Joy State]

Can I say the current period of time?

What makes it the worst of all times?

It was the best of times, it was the worst of times, it was the age of wisdom, it was the age of foolishness, it was the epoch of belief, it was the epoch of incredulity, it was the season of Light, it was the season of Darkness, it was the spring of hope, it was the winter of despair, we had everything before us, we had nothing before us, we were all going direct to Heaven, we were all going direct the other way

[Grenartia]

Can I say the current period of time?

What makes it the worst of all times?

The fact that we're on the precipice of multiple extinction-level catastrophes (mostly climate, but others as well, such as peak phosphorus), the bastard offspring of the dystopias of Brave New World and 1984, the rise of fake news and deep fake technology, and our seeming unwillingness to even consider a rapid enough change in the course of our society to avoid those pitfalls.

Like, yes, by a lot of metrics, this is also the best possible time to be alive, but in no other era of human history have we had so many ways to wipe ourselves off the face of the planet in the comparative blink of an eye, and neither has state control over individual affairs been so fucking easy to achieve.

IDK, is this what it felt like to come of age during the height of the Cold War? Sometimes I used to imagine having the ability to travel back in time, say to the late 50s, and just talk about the current state of affairs and how the whole "nuclear war" thing will become a non-concern within their own lifetime. And now I find myself hoping someone from the future would do that for me. But I also simultaneously dread hearing about the existential threats facing their society. Shit that isn't even on our fucking radar right now.