LEAST Favorite Time / Event of History

[Luziyca]

If it is in terms of world history, oh good lord is there a smörgåsbord of shitty things that have happened in the past eternity. But fucking hell, Gren makes some really good points that now is the worst time in our history.

If it is personal, then I'd say the period from August to October 2014, when I was deep in grief after my paternal grandmother died of cancer. Fucking hell was that a kick in the balls for me, especially since she seemed to have hidden the severity of her cancer from me.

[Grenartia]

If it is in terms of world history, oh good lord is there a smörgåsbord of shitty things that have happened in the past eternity. But fucking hell, Gren makes some really good points that now is the worst time in our history.

If any future historians are reading this thread, either I told you so, or I was wrong as fuck.

God, I hope its the latter.

EDIT: this is actually a joke for those of us in the present, since logically, if I'm right, it would be virutally impossible for future historians (if any exist) to read this thread, since either the internet won't exist, or if it does, then it will likely have been censored by whatever fascist dystopia rules the planet.

[Nakena]

The fact that we're on the precipice of multiple extinction-level catastrophes (mostly climate, but others as well, such as peak phosphorus), the bastard offspring of the dystopias of Brave New World and 1984, the rise of fake news and deep fake technology, and our seeming unwillingness to even consider a rapid enough change in the course of our society to avoid those pitfalls.

I do not believe the climate change is endangering the existence and future of our species, despite it might lead to various problems and unpleasentlessness. Humans in general are extremly resilient even under harsh conditions and will survive and manage. As for the technological changes, they are huge, but I believe the new generation will as well adapt to it the same way our ancestors adapted to the introduction of similar game changer technologies such as Nuclear Energy or the Printing Press.

Like, yes, by a lot of metrics, this is also the best possible time to be alive, but in no other era of human history have we had so many ways to wipe ourselves off the face of the planet in the comparative blink of an eye, and neither has state control over individual affairs been so fucking easy to achieve.

The corresponding technology to destroy ourself exists since at since World War Two and even before there have been horrific calamities such as World War One, which saw in a number of nations the first time the massive intervention of the total state. Of course technology marches on, and the new digital technologies now passed into the hands of various nasty entities from superpowers such as the PRC down to tinpot regimes in South America or elsewhere is a concerning, yet inevitable development. And yet, again, Man will as in all times find ways to slip away and around the excessive control and survive even under a social credit system with near orwellian dimensions.

IDK, is this what it felt like to come of age during the height of the Cold War? Sometimes I used to imagine having the ability to travel back in time, say to the late 50s, and just talk about the current state of affairs and how the whole "nuclear war" thing will become a non-concern within their own lifetime. And now I find myself hoping someone from the future would do that for me. But I also simultaneously dread hearing about the existential threats facing their society. Shit that isn't even on our fucking radar right now.

The World was somewhat more stable in the second half of the 20th century in a number of ways. However fear of Nuclear War was a thing, there was no internet, and a number of other technologies that make our lifes easier and handier today didn weren't around yet. At least not for the average citizen. Nonetheless, I can relate to your feeling, for the Cold War era is in retrospect one of the nicer ones, and also a defining one despite its - along with its icons and norms - slowly beginning to fade into history. I am sure in far future it might be looked back upon as Golden Age, where the technological and political state of Earth allowed such a period in a number of locations to blossom for a few decades.

[Nakena]

The Mongol conquests probably wouldn't be fun either.

Genghis Khan:

- His last heir reigned in Uzbekistan until 1925. 1. 9. 2. 5. That's almost a millennium of Khan descendants.
- He left entire portions of the world unpopulated to this day. Not under - completely unpopulated.
- There are 3 different ways to how he died. He either fell off his horse, was killed by a sex worker, or had a sorcerer king cast a spell on him.
- He killed his blood brother.
- He escaped slavery by swinging his stocks to hit a young boy to watch over him, hiding in reeds, and walking until he reached a sympathetic house.
- He single-handedly transformed the Steppe from the closest you can get to an apocalyptic wasteland on earth to one of the richest, if not the richest, area of the world in about 60 years.

He's my homeboy. Right next to his spiritual sucessor Baron von Ungern-Sternberg.

Also this.

Hitlers intent was to be good for the german people. How did that work out?

It's always worth remembering that. People never undertake villainous actions with the intention of being villainous.

They never view themselves as -- I've got to trot out Nineteen-Eighty-Four again -- "the boot stomping on the human face". Throughout history, those who have done the worst things have generally taken the view that they are operating from a position of purity, superiority, morality... "the end justifies the means". History seldom vindicates them.

Thats why I am always cautious around people who operate from a moral high-ground.

Might also have to do with the fact that I have villainous and sinister intentions, which of course I think they are, subjectively good, but I know and am aware that I am on the dark side in the story for all the do-gooders.

[Forsher]

I am sure in far future it might be looked back upon as Golden Age, where the technological and political state of Earth allowed such a period in a number of locations to blossom for a few decades.

You need to pay more attention to economists. The "far future" is now. At least, until the 1970s.

To the thread title... 1918. I mean, I can see where people are coming from in terms of the whole climate thing, but we haven't seen the payoff yet.

[The New California Republic]

The Holocaust, and other historical events of that magnitude.

[Sovaal]

What makes it the worst of all times?

The fact that we're on the precipice of multiple extinction-level catastrophes (mostly climate, but others as well, such as peak phosphorus), the bastard offspring of the dystopias of Brave New World and 1984, the rise of fake news and deep fake technology, and our seeming unwillingness to even consider a rapid enough change in the course of our society to avoid those pitfalls.

Like, yes, by a lot of metrics, this is also the best possible time to be alive, but in no other era of human history have we had so many ways to wipe ourselves off the face of the planet in the comparative blink of an eye, and neither has state control over individual affairs been so fucking easy to achieve.

IDK, is this what it felt like to come of age during the height of the Cold War? Sometimes I used to imagine having the ability to travel back in time, say to the late 50s, and just talk about the current state of affairs and how the whole "nuclear war" thing will become a non-concern within their own lifetime. And now I find myself hoping someone from the future would do that for me. But I also simultaneously dread hearing about the existential threats facing their society. Shit that isn't even on our fucking radar right now.

Save for the extinction level events, which frankly where always in the works ever since humanity came about, none of what you said is anywhere near new.

[Samudera Darussalam]

It's hard to choose because I've some that I don't like. As a start, perhaps the Holocaust and mass genocides in general, then the Japanese conquest and rule of eastern and southeastern Asia in 1945, and some more.

[The New California Republic]

It's hard to choose because I've some that I don't like. As a start, perhaps the Holocaust and mass genocides in general, then the Japanese conquest and rule of eastern and southeastern Asia in 1945, and some more.

There is also the slavery of African Americans as well, to add to the list.

[The British American Colonies]

In terms of interest, my least favorite period to learn/think etc. about would probably be Ancient Mesopotamia. I don’t know why, just not interesting. In terms of like genocidey stuff, Holodomir, Pol Pot, Holocaust etc. etc.

[The New California Republic]

In terms of interest, my least favorite period to learn/think etc. about would probably be Ancient Mesopotamia. I don’t know why, just not interesting. In terms of like genocidey stuff, Holodomir, Pol Pot, Holocaust etc. etc.

Oh, I didn't think about it that way. Alright, I suppose in terms of least favourite period of history in terms of personal interest to me, I'd have to say...um...I'm actually struggling to think of one. I guess...the history of Ancient Egypt...? Learning about it has never really appealed to me that much.

[First American Empire]

The Mongol Conquests. They're far back enough that most people have forgotten how bad they are, but the Mongols were every bit as bad as the Nazis, and have committed equally horrifying atrocities.

[The British American Colonies]

The Mongol Conquests. They're far back enough that most people have forgotten how bad they are, but the Mongols were every bit as bad as the Nazis, and have committed equally horrifying atrocities.

I’m pretty sure one of their forms of execution was trampling people under carpets, but I don’t have a source for this.

[Great Buptain and Toadstool]

The Mongol Conquests. They're far back enough that most people have forgotten how bad they are, but the Mongols were every bit as bad as the Nazis, and have committed equally horrifying atrocities.

I’m pretty sure one of their forms of execution was trampling people under carpets, but I don’t have a source for this.

Medieval Asians loved to execute people in the most brutal ways.
Up until the British took over, the most common punishment for treason in India was to have your limbs broken by elephants. You would be left to suffer and be mocked for hours, until a final stomp would be delivered to the head.

[The British American Colonies]

I’m pretty sure one of their forms of execution was trampling people under carpets, but I don’t have a source for this.

Medieval Asians loved to execute people in the most brutal ways.
Up until the British took over, the most common punishment for treason in India was to have your limbs broken by elephants. You would be left to suffer and be mocked for hours, until a final stomp would be delivered to the head.

Then the British took over and strapped people to the muzzles of cannons. So yeah, I guess everyone sucks.

[Nouveau Quebecois]

October 1995 and every year after.

[Saiwania]

It is hard for me to pick because there are many events I don't like. First that comes to mind is Brown v. Board of Education. The US was better before there was any bussing for the sake of diversity and so forth. The 1960s onward I could consider to have been bad for the US overall.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

It is hard for me to pick because there are many events I don't like. First that comes to mind is Brown v. Board of Education. The US was better before there was any bussing for the sake of diversity and so forth.

Well, it wouldn't have happened if black schools had the same resources as white schools, and we both know they didn't.

[Great Buptain and Toadstool]

It is hard for me to pick because there are many events I don't like. First that comes to mind is Brown v. Board of Education. The US was better before there was any bussing for the sake of diversity and so forth. The 1960s onward I could consider to have been bad for the US overall.

Well, maybe if Blacks were treated like actual humans, BvBoE wouldn't have happened.

[Heloin]

It is hard for me to pick because there are many events I don't like. First that comes to mind is Brown v. Board of Education. The US was better before there was any bussing for the sake of diversity and so forth. The 1960s onward I could consider to have been bad for the US overall.

I'm only surprised that your answer wasn't the ratification of the 13th Amendment.

[Bear Stearns]

The post-World War II era has been a disaster for the West.

[Saiwania]

I'm only surprised that your answer wasn't the ratification of the 13th Amendment.

It is parts of the 14th Amendment I really object to. I still insist that the clause about birthright citizenship is in error. The real intent of it was obviously to fully abolish slavery and grant citizenship to such people that were in bondage, not to simply let the US be a dumping ground for illegal immigrants to have children that "anchors" them to this country by default.

[Bear Stearns]

I'm only surprised that your answer wasn't the ratification of the 13th Amendment.

It is parts of the 14th Amendment I really object to. I still insist that the clause about birthright citizenship is in error. The real intent of it was obviously to fully abolish slavery and grant citizenship to such people that were in bondage, not to simply let the US be a dumping ground for illegal immigrants to have children that "anchors" them to this country by default.

That was the intent of the law.

Low and behold, business interests pushed to have it defined in other ways because "our economic can't survive without immigrant neo-slave labor".

[Kowani]

It is parts of the 14th Amendment I really object to. I still insist that the clause about birthright citizenship is in error. The real intent of it was obviously to fully abolish slavery and grant citizenship to such people that were in bondage, not to simply let the US be a dumping ground for illegal immigrants to have children that "anchors" them to this country by default.

That was the intent of the law.

Low and behold, business interests pushed to have it defined in other ways because "our economic can't survive without immigrant neo-slave labor".

Define nothing, the text is explicit.

[Unstoppable Empire of Doom]

I dont know. I guess Tuesday was shit.