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by Luziyca » Wed Oct 30, 2019 5:10 am
by Grenartia » Wed Oct 30, 2019 5:15 am
Luziyca wrote:If it is in terms of world history, oh good lord is there a smörgåsbord of shitty things that have happened in the past eternity. But fucking hell, Gren makes some really good points that now is the worst time in our history.
by Nakena » Wed Oct 30, 2019 5:22 am
Grenartia wrote:The fact that we're on the precipice of multiple extinction-level catastrophes (mostly climate, but others as well, such as peak phosphorus), the bastard offspring of the dystopias of Brave New World and 1984, the rise of fake news and deep fake technology, and our seeming unwillingness to even consider a rapid enough change in the course of our society to avoid those pitfalls.
Grenartia wrote:Like, yes, by a lot of metrics, this is also the best possible time to be alive, but in no other era of human history have we had so many ways to wipe ourselves off the face of the planet in the comparative blink of an eye, and neither has state control over individual affairs been so fucking easy to achieve.
Grenartia wrote:IDK, is this what it felt like to come of age during the height of the Cold War? Sometimes I used to imagine having the ability to travel back in time, say to the late 50s, and just talk about the current state of affairs and how the whole "nuclear war" thing will become a non-concern within their own lifetime. And now I find myself hoping someone from the future would do that for me. But I also simultaneously dread hearing about the existential threats facing their society. Shit that isn't even on our fucking radar right now.
by Nakena » Wed Oct 30, 2019 5:51 am
Atheris wrote:Sovaal wrote:The Mongol conquests probably wouldn't be fun either.
Genghis Khan:
- His last heir reigned in Uzbekistan until 1925. 1. 9. 2. 5. That's almost a millennium of Khan descendants.
- He left entire portions of the world unpopulated to this day. Not under - completely unpopulated.
- There are 3 different ways to how he died. He either fell off his horse, was killed by a sex worker, or had a sorcerer king cast a spell on him.
- He killed his blood brother.
- He escaped slavery by swinging his stocks to hit a young boy to watch over him, hiding in reeds, and walking until he reached a sympathetic house.
- He single-handedly transformed the Steppe from the closest you can get to an apocalyptic wasteland on earth to one of the richest, if not the richest, area of the world in about 60 years.
The Free Joy State wrote:Ethel mermania wrote:
Hitlers intent was to be good for the german people. How did that work out?
It's always worth remembering that. People never undertake villainous actions with the intention of being villainous.
They never view themselves as -- I've got to trot out Nineteen-Eighty-Four again -- "the boot stomping on the human face". Throughout history, those who have done the worst things have generally taken the view that they are operating from a position of purity, superiority, morality... "the end justifies the means". History seldom vindicates them.
by Forsher » Wed Oct 30, 2019 7:02 am
Nakena wrote:I am sure in far future it might be looked back upon as Golden Age, where the technological and political state of Earth allowed such a period in a number of locations to blossom for a few decades.
by The New California Republic » Wed Oct 30, 2019 7:26 am
by Sovaal » Wed Oct 30, 2019 7:35 am
Grenartia wrote:Nakena wrote:
What makes it the worst of all times?
The fact that we're on the precipice of multiple extinction-level catastrophes (mostly climate, but others as well, such as peak phosphorus), the bastard offspring of the dystopias of Brave New World and 1984, the rise of fake news and deep fake technology, and our seeming unwillingness to even consider a rapid enough change in the course of our society to avoid those pitfalls.
Like, yes, by a lot of metrics, this is also the best possible time to be alive, but in no other era of human history have we had so many ways to wipe ourselves off the face of the planet in the comparative blink of an eye, and neither has state control over individual affairs been so fucking easy to achieve.
IDK, is this what it felt like to come of age during the height of the Cold War? Sometimes I used to imagine having the ability to travel back in time, say to the late 50s, and just talk about the current state of affairs and how the whole "nuclear war" thing will become a non-concern within their own lifetime. And now I find myself hoping someone from the future would do that for me. But I also simultaneously dread hearing about the existential threats facing their society. Shit that isn't even on our fucking radar right now.
by Samudera Darussalam » Wed Oct 30, 2019 7:40 am
by The New California Republic » Wed Oct 30, 2019 7:43 am
Samudera Darussalam wrote:It's hard to choose because I've some that I don't like. As a start, perhaps the Holocaust and mass genocides in general, then the Japanese conquest and rule of eastern and southeastern Asia in 1945, and some more.
by The British American Colonies » Wed Oct 30, 2019 7:48 am
by The New California Republic » Wed Oct 30, 2019 7:56 am
The British American Colonies wrote:In terms of interest, my least favorite period to learn/think etc. about would probably be Ancient Mesopotamia. I don’t know why, just not interesting. In terms of like genocidey stuff, Holodomir, Pol Pot, Holocaust etc. etc.
by First American Empire » Wed Oct 30, 2019 9:16 am
by The British American Colonies » Wed Oct 30, 2019 10:24 am
First American Empire wrote:The Mongol Conquests. They're far back enough that most people have forgotten how bad they are, but the Mongols were every bit as bad as the Nazis, and have committed equally horrifying atrocities.
by Great Buptain and Toadstool » Wed Oct 30, 2019 10:30 am
The British American Colonies wrote:First American Empire wrote:The Mongol Conquests. They're far back enough that most people have forgotten how bad they are, but the Mongols were every bit as bad as the Nazis, and have committed equally horrifying atrocities.
I’m pretty sure one of their forms of execution was trampling people under carpets, but I don’t have a source for this.
November 1, 1929: With the death of the last quarantined soldier in Dover, it seems as if the Shroobs virus has been eradicated.
by The British American Colonies » Wed Oct 30, 2019 10:33 am
Great Buptain and Toadstool wrote:The British American Colonies wrote:I’m pretty sure one of their forms of execution was trampling people under carpets, but I don’t have a source for this.
Medieval Asians loved to execute people in the most brutal ways.
Up until the British took over, the most common punishment for treason in India was to have your limbs broken by elephants. You would be left to suffer and be mocked for hours, until a final stomp would be delivered to the head.
by Nouveau Quebecois » Wed Oct 30, 2019 10:33 am
by Saiwania » Wed Oct 30, 2019 10:38 am
by LiberNovusAmericae » Wed Oct 30, 2019 10:41 am
Saiwania wrote:It is hard for me to pick because there are many events I don't like. First that comes to mind is Brown v. Board of Education. The US was better before there was any bussing for the sake of diversity and so forth.
by Great Buptain and Toadstool » Wed Oct 30, 2019 10:48 am
Saiwania wrote:It is hard for me to pick because there are many events I don't like. First that comes to mind is Brown v. Board of Education. The US was better before there was any bussing for the sake of diversity and so forth. The 1960s onward I could consider to have been bad for the US overall.
November 1, 1929: With the death of the last quarantined soldier in Dover, it seems as if the Shroobs virus has been eradicated.
by Heloin » Wed Oct 30, 2019 10:51 am
Saiwania wrote:It is hard for me to pick because there are many events I don't like. First that comes to mind is Brown v. Board of Education. The US was better before there was any bussing for the sake of diversity and so forth. The 1960s onward I could consider to have been bad for the US overall.
by Bear Stearns » Wed Oct 30, 2019 10:52 am
by Saiwania » Wed Oct 30, 2019 10:53 am
Heloin wrote:I'm only surprised that your answer wasn't the ratification of the 13th Amendment.
by Bear Stearns » Wed Oct 30, 2019 10:58 am
Saiwania wrote:Heloin wrote:I'm only surprised that your answer wasn't the ratification of the 13th Amendment.
It is parts of the 14th Amendment I really object to. I still insist that the clause about birthright citizenship is in error. The real intent of it was obviously to fully abolish slavery and grant citizenship to such people that were in bondage, not to simply let the US be a dumping ground for illegal immigrants to have children that "anchors" them to this country by default.
by Kowani » Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:59 pm
Bear Stearns wrote:Saiwania wrote:
It is parts of the 14th Amendment I really object to. I still insist that the clause about birthright citizenship is in error. The real intent of it was obviously to fully abolish slavery and grant citizenship to such people that were in bondage, not to simply let the US be a dumping ground for illegal immigrants to have children that "anchors" them to this country by default.
That was the intent of the law.
Low and behold, business interests pushed to have it defined in other ways because "our economic can't survive without immigrant neo-slave labor".
by Unstoppable Empire of Doom » Wed Oct 30, 2019 9:08 pm
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