Kaiserreich isn't a utopia, but it is at least marginally better than our interwar period. Especially if you go down the Kalterkrieg timeline.
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by Great Buptain and Toadstool » Tue Oct 29, 2019 7:05 pm
November 1, 1929: With the death of the last quarantined soldier in Dover, it seems as if the Shroobs virus has been eradicated.
by Atheris » Tue Oct 29, 2019 7:06 pm
by Great Buptain and Toadstool » Tue Oct 29, 2019 7:10 pm
November 1, 1929: With the death of the last quarantined soldier in Dover, it seems as if the Shroobs virus has been eradicated.
by Vetalia » Tue Oct 29, 2019 7:28 pm
by Saturna1ia » Tue Oct 29, 2019 7:29 pm
by Sundiata » Tue Oct 29, 2019 7:53 pm
Somehow, I doubt that the intent of ancient artists are the same as contemporary pornographers who exploit the poor in spirit.Kowani wrote:Sundiata wrote:Tough, there are many grim chapters in human history to choose from.
1) Roman persecution of Christians.
2) The Holocaust
3) The Transatlantic Slave Trade.
4) The Eugenics Movement
5) The Sexual Revolution (the normalization of abortion, contraception, premarital sex, divorce, pornography)
Normalization of pornography? Porn’s existed since at least Ancient Rome. Contraception as well.You’re a bit late.
by Kubra » Tue Oct 29, 2019 8:11 pm
by Saturna1ia » Tue Oct 29, 2019 8:14 pm
Sundiata wrote:Tough, there are many grim chapters in human history to choose from.
4) The Eugenics Movement
by Kubra » Tue Oct 29, 2019 8:19 pm
sure but we won't call it eugenicsSaturna1ia wrote:Sundiata wrote:Tough, there are many grim chapters in human history to choose from.
4) The Eugenics Movement
I am in no way trying to take away from the nationalistic,ethnic,and racial weaponization of the field throughout human history, but eugenics from a purely scientific perspective is an undertaking with benevolent intent. The term is sure to be revived with the use of gene-editing technology in the near future.
by Heloin » Tue Oct 29, 2019 8:22 pm
Sundiata wrote:Somehow, I doubt that the intent of ancient artists are the same as contemporary pornographers who exploit the poor in spirit.
by Saturna1ia » Tue Oct 29, 2019 8:26 pm
Kubra wrote: sure but we won't call it eugenics
Y'know, if we find out skull-shape allows us to determine cancer types, we probably won't call the study of that phrenology.
by Napkizemlja » Tue Oct 29, 2019 8:27 pm
by Farnhamia » Tue Oct 29, 2019 8:31 pm
by Sino-Mehxicolan » Tue Oct 29, 2019 8:38 pm
by Kubra » Tue Oct 29, 2019 8:42 pm
Well y'know it's how it happens. There's a smattering of eugenicists that can be rehabilitated, and the easiest way to do it without getting folks thinking about the rest is bringing on a name change. Like with chemistry: if an alchemist actually did something proper towards the foundation of what has become chemistry then they're now an early innovator in the field, instead of just an alchemist.Saturna1ia wrote:Kubra wrote: sure but we won't call it eugenics
Y'know, if we find out skull-shape allows us to determine cancer types, we probably won't call the study of that phrenology.
I think it should still be called eugenics, or at the very least 21st/22nd century eugenics, and will call it that because that's what it is. Also, a name change would make it easier to forget or sweep under the rug historical atrocities committed in the name of the field.
by Greed and Death » Tue Oct 29, 2019 9:26 pm
East Angria wrote:Totenborg wrote:For me, I think I'm gonna say, the arrival of Columbus into the Americas.
It marked the enslavement/ colonization of the majority of the native population of one continent, and the genocide of another.
Good one.
For me personally, the Great Leap Forward has to be the most hated historical event. Especially the part with the sparrows. People under Maoist China killed exterminated the Eurasian Tree Sparrow in mainland China, which, along with other events, caused a famine in which somewhere between 18 and 65 million people died.
18 to 65 million. Not counting all the sparrows. Totalitarianism - not even once.
by The Free Joy State » Tue Oct 29, 2019 9:39 pm
Sundiata wrote:Somehow, I doubt that the intent of ancient artists are the same as contemporary pornographers who exploit the poor in spirit.Kowani wrote:Normalization of pornography? Porn’s existed since at least Ancient Rome. Contraception as well.You’re a bit late.
The ubiquity of such imagery and items indicates that the treatment of sexuality in ancient Rome was more relaxed than current Western culture.
As for contraception-use, it's monstrous, especially as life and the ability to transmit it through the marital act is one of God's many gifts.
by Ethel mermania » Wed Oct 30, 2019 4:40 am
Saturna1ia wrote:Sundiata wrote:Tough, there are many grim chapters in human history to choose from.
4) The Eugenics Movement
I am in no way trying to take away from the nationalistic,ethnic,and racial weaponization of the field throughout human history, but eugenics from a purely scientific perspective is an undertaking with benevolent intent. The term is sure to be revived with the use of gene-editing technology in the near future.
by Totenborg » Wed Oct 30, 2019 4:43 am
by Grenartia » Wed Oct 30, 2019 4:45 am
by The Free Joy State » Wed Oct 30, 2019 4:50 am
Ethel mermania wrote:Saturna1ia wrote:
I am in no way trying to take away from the nationalistic,ethnic,and racial weaponization of the field throughout human history, but eugenics from a purely scientific perspective is an undertaking with benevolent intent. The term is sure to be revived with the use of gene-editing technology in the near future.
Hitlers intent was to be good for the german people. How did that work out?
by Grenartia » Wed Oct 30, 2019 4:52 am
The Free Joy State wrote:Ethel mermania wrote:
Hitlers intent was to be good for the german people. How did that work out?
It's always worth remembering that. People never undertake villainous actions with the intention of being villainous.
They never view themselves as -- I've got to trot out Nineteen-Eighty-Four again -- "the boot stomping on the human face". Throughout history, those who have done the worst things have generally taken the view that they are operating from a position of purity, superiority, morality... "the end justifies the means". History seldom vindicates them.
by The Free Joy State » Wed Oct 30, 2019 5:00 am
It was the best of times, it was the worst of times, it was the age of wisdom, it was the age of foolishness, it was the epoch of belief, it was the epoch of incredulity, it was the season of Light, it was the season of Darkness, it was the spring of hope, it was the winter of despair, we had everything before us, we had nothing before us, we were all going direct to Heaven, we were all going direct the other way
by Grenartia » Wed Oct 30, 2019 5:05 am
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