#protectjamesyounger

[Necroghastia]

As a general rule of thumb, a professional won't just unilaterally declare a child trans because she said "I want to be a girl!" one time in passing.

But I want to believe in crazy SJWs transing kids for no good reason.

Don't go into the woods alone, children, lest the Social Justice Witch cast trans your gender!

[Ifreann]

But I want to believe in crazy SJWs transing kids for no good reason.

Don't go into the woods alone, children, lest the Social Justice Witch cast trans your gender!

Today is the day the teddy bears have their T pills.

[Internationalist Bastard]

So your child begins doing a thing. You don't know why child is doing thing. You take child to child psychologist. Medical Professional says do thing. What do you do?

Does said medical professional have a high rate of positive diagnosis? Not that a diagnosis should be decided by statistics but I do wonder if the professional has an agenda.

I mean there's more then one doctor in the world, I know I always get second opinions when I can afford it

[Saiwania]

In the Harry Potter series, Uncle Vernon famously said "I'm not paying for some crackpot old fool to teach him (Harry) magic tricks!" In a similar vein, this man shouldn't need to sell his house just to pay for a sex change such a young child may or may not ultimately want in the long term. If the father won't consent to or respect this child's wishes to become M to F, this should supercede his mother's desire for that to happen. My belief is that the mother brainwashed and corrupted this kid from an early age with wrong ideas about what he is.

[True Refuge]

Indeed.

The correct way to go about it is to make sure the child is serious, then remain neutral and decide what they want to do until they make the final decision (s) as to whether they are cis or trans.

As a general rule of thumb, a professional won't just unilaterally declare a child trans because she said "I want to be a girl!" one time in passing.

Pretty much. Parents should not push the kid either way after the child (and probably a psychiatrist) has confirmed symptoms of gender dysphoria. There are rigorous systems for diagnosis in place that work well.

[Necroghastia]

In the Harry Potter series, Uncle Vernon famously said "I'm not paying for some crackpot old fool to teach him (Harry) magic tricks!"

Ah yes, truly a character that embodies qualities of a good parent. Locking kids in a cramped, spidery cabinet, physically and emotionally abusive, encouraging his children to be at odds with each other... yeah, totally a model parent.

In a similar vein, this man shouldn't need to sell his house just to pay for a sex change such a young child may or may not ultimately want in the long term.

Who mentioned sex changes?

If the father won't consent to or respect this child's wishes to become M to F, this should supercede his mother's desire for that to happen.

Why is his opinion worth more? What about the kid's opinion?

My belief is that the mother brainwashed and corrupted this kid from an early age with wrong ideas about what he is.

Based on what evidence? To what end?

[Cekoviu]

In the Harry Potter series, Uncle Vernon famously said "I'm not paying for some crackpot old fool to teach him (Harry) magic tricks!" In a similar vein, this man shouldn't need to sell his house just to pay for a sex change such a young child may or may not ultimately want in the long term. If the father won't consent to or respect this child's wishes to become M to F, this should supercede his mother's desire for that to happen. My belief is that the mother brainwashed and corrupted this kid from an early age with wrong ideas about what he is.

...The Dursleys are antagonists in the series and they're portrayed as selfish dicks. You do know that, right?

[Trotskylvania]

In the Harry Potter series, Uncle Vernon famously said "I'm not paying for some crackpot old fool to teach him (Harry) magic tricks!" In a similar vein, this man shouldn't need to sell his house just to pay for a sex change such a young child may or may not ultimately want in the long term. If the father won't consent to or respect this child's wishes to become M to F, this should supercede his mother's desire for that to happen. My belief is that the mother brainwashed and corrupted this kid from an early age with wrong ideas about what he is.

But of course you would.

It can't be a simple case of a child being trans, some evil woman has to be the villain, brainwashing a child. Something you assumed, not only without evidence, but in fact hotly contradicted by the father's own manifest record of acting maliciously towards his daughter, and then trying to make a media circus when a jury of his peers rule against him.

[Saiwania]

It can't be a simple case of a child being trans, some evil woman has to be the villain, brainwashing a child. Something you assumed, not only without evidence, but in fact hotly contradicted by the father's own manifest record of acting maliciously towards his daughter, and then trying to make a media circus when a jury of his peers rule against him.

What I object to is a 3 year old's supposed preferences being given any weight, much less a 7 year old's. This is not for the child to decide in my view. The proper role for the parents is to tell them what's what in my view- in accordance to their best interests, and to say "No" to anything too impractical or extreme, and for the child to obey within reason. Raising children (up until this day and age anyways) has never been about letting the child decide on what's above their station.

I'm just as incredulous and irritated by this NBC news story which highlighted this Kindergarten age boy whom apparently likes to care for baby dolls. This is not behavior I'd approve of. I'd instead take it as something to be corrected. He does not behave in a manner befitting a boy his age. The same is probably true for the child in this case. But the liberal media just loves what they and any permissive parents are doing in positively reinforcing what I view as fundamentally wrong.

My belief is essentially the conservative position of enforcing gender roles tied to biological sex. If this is too inconsiderate or radical for today's zeitgeist, well- that is quite a shame in my view.

[Trotskylvania]

It can't be a simple case of a child being trans, some evil woman has to be the villain, brainwashing a child. Something you assumed, not only without evidence, but in fact hotly contradicted by the father's own manifest record of acting maliciously towards his daughter, and then trying to make a media circus when a jury of his peers rule against him.

What I object to is a 3 year old's supposed preferences being given any weight, much less a 7 year old's. This is not for the child to decide in my view. The proper role for the parents is to tell them what's what in my view- in accordance to their best interests, and to say "No" to anything too impractical or extreme, and for the child to obey within reason. Raising children (up until this day and age anyways) has never been about letting the child decide on what's above their station.

I'm just as incredulous and irritated by this NBC news story which highlighted this Kindergarten age boy whom apparently likes to care for baby dolls. This is not behavior I'd approve of. I'd instead take it as something to be corrected. He does not behave in a manner befitting a boy his age. The same is probably true for the child in this case. But the liberal media just loves what they and any permissive parents are doing in positively reinforcing what I view as fundamentally wrong.

My belief is essentially the conservative position of enforcing gender roles tied to biological sex. If this is too inconsiderate or radical for today's zeitgeist, well- that is quite a shame in my view.

There is no such thing as gender roles tied to biological sex.

Gender roles are cultural. They vary immensely across cultures and time periods. They are always changing, and this tremendous variety of observed present and historical variations, from everything from play practices, who initiates courtship, who does the hunting, who does what work, only demonstrates how completely out of depth you are. There is no such thing as play befitting a boy or girl of that age.

Your fundamental beliefs are fundamentally mistaken. They're just excuses for child abuse. It's not a matter of inconsiderate, it's evil. And I don't care if it ruffles your delicate feathers. You are advocating for child abuse, not just for trans youth apparently, but for all youth who don't fit your boomer sensibilities.

[Necroghastia]

It can't be a simple case of a child being trans, some evil woman has to be the villain, brainwashing a child. Something you assumed, not only without evidence, but in fact hotly contradicted by the father's own manifest record of acting maliciously towards his daughter, and then trying to make a media circus when a jury of his peers rule against him.

What I object to is a 3 year old's supposed preferences being given any weight, much less a 7 year old's.

Why?

This is not for the child to decide in my view. The proper role for the parents is to tell them what's what in my view- in accordance to their best interests, and to say "No" to anything too impractical or extreme,

The kid isn't asking for anything of the sort, so this is moot.

and for the child to obey within reason. Raising children (up until this day and age anyways) has never been about letting the child decide on what's above their station.

Preferred names and what clothes they like is above their station?

I'm just as incredulous and irritated by this NBC news story which highlighted this Kindergarten age boy whom apparently likes to care for baby dolls. This is not behavior I'd approve of.

That's not your kid, though. Your approval means nothing.

I'd instead take it as something to be corrected.

What's there to correct?

He does not behave in a manner befitting a boy his age. The same is probably true for the child in this case. But the liberal media just loves what they and any permissive parents are doing in positively reinforcing what I view as fundamentally wrong.

Lmao the white supremacist is lecturing us on fundamental wrongness.

My belief is essentially the conservative position of enforcing gender roles tied to biological sex. If this is too inconsiderate or radical for today's zeitgeist, well- that is quite a shame in my view.

It's not, because you have no logical or scientific ground to stand on. You're just acting like -ironically enough- a spoiled child.

Also is Saiwania's flag at the moment Gomez Addams? A man who embraces alternative lifestyles with no judgment? Talk about a lack of self-awareness.

[Saiwania]

Your fundamental beliefs are fundamentally mistaken. They're just excuses for child abuse. It's not a matter of inconsiderate, it's evil. And I don't care if it ruffles your delicate feathers. You are advocating for child abuse, not just for trans youth apparently, but for all youth who don't fit your boomer sensibilities.

It isn't child abuse in my view, for a parent to insist with them that it's just a phase that they'll go through and forget about once they're past it. If they're proven wrong after all, someone who wants to transition will do so after 18 years of age and will ideally obtain their own money with which to do this, if that truly is their dream that they can't be prevented from. I don't quite understand it and never will.

[Neutraligon]

Your fundamental beliefs are fundamentally mistaken. They're just excuses for child abuse. It's not a matter of inconsiderate, it's evil. And I don't care if it ruffles your delicate feathers. You are advocating for child abuse, not just for trans youth apparently, but for all youth who don't fit your boomer sensibilities.

It isn't child abuse in my view, for a parent to insist with them that it's just a phase that they'll go through and forget about once they're past it. If they're proven wrong after all, someone who wants to transition will do so after 18 years of age and will ideally obtain their own money with which to do this, if that truly is their dream that they can't be prevented from.

And for those 18 years and beyond you will have made that child miserable. You will have made it so they have a much harder time transitioning. Te point of puberty blockers is to buy time so that the person can make the decision after 18 without having gone through puberty, which makes both the medical transition easier and they will not have to go through a puberty that is of the wrong body. \

[Grenartia]

#savelunayounger
#fuckjeffreyyounger
#transitioningisnotchildabuse

[Trotskylvania]

Your fundamental beliefs are fundamentally mistaken. They're just excuses for child abuse. It's not a matter of inconsiderate, it's evil. And I don't care if it ruffles your delicate feathers. You are advocating for child abuse, not just for trans youth apparently, but for all youth who don't fit your boomer sensibilities.

It isn't child abuse in my view, for a parent to insist with them that it's just a phase that they'll go through and forget about once they're past it. If they're proven wrong after all, someone who wants to transition will do so after 18 years of age and will ideally obtain their own money with which to do this, if that truly is their dream that they can't be prevented from. I don't quite understand it and never will.

It's a damn good thing that your views don't matter.

You don't get to insist that your view matters on this. Reality isn't something that contorts itself to your hidebound views. The medical science on this is clear: you're a proud advocate of child abuse. Insisting that this is phase is ridiculous. Kids don't go through trans phases, and forcing them to go through the violence of puberty into the wrong body is monstrous.

[Saiwania]

It's a damn good thing that your views don't matter.

You don't get to insist that your view matters on this. Reality isn't something that contorts itself to your hidebound views. The medical science on this is clear: you're a proud advocate of child abuse. Insisting that this is phase is ridiculous. Kids don't go through trans phases, and forcing them to go through the violence of puberty into the wrong body is monstrous.

Well, a famous proverb is that "beggars can't be choosers" and that "life is what you make of it." If getting the required hormones presents a financial burden, I can't exactly get behind requiring such parents to go along with such a plan or to spend money on this if they don't want to or if their resources are quite limited. At the end of the day, its their money to budget as they see fit.

Children should be thankful for getting shelter and the basics. Housing alone is so expensive, whether you're buying or renting. The sooner people accept that the outside world may and probably will be cruel towards them and adapt to this reality, the better off they'll be.

Its more true that you can't always get what you want and that you have to fight for what you want in many ways. Usually not physically speaking, but in every other way. Doctors generally speaking, don't care about the cost of anything, because they're not the ones paying for anything out of pocket or via an insurer. Thus it is optional for a patient to follow through or not on what a doctor recommends, especially if money is involved.

[Neanderthaland]

Judge and jury don't agree with the claim that the child is being "transitioned" against her will.

If you can demonstrate that they've been given compelling evidence and just ignored it because judge, jury and guardian are in a sadistic child abuse pact then sure, but otherwise I'll assume the simplest version of events.

I'm not gonna say the child is being forced, but it is undeniable that this is a life altering procedure, on a 7 year old child who's brain has not fully developed. If this is truly the feeling of the child then they should have no problem waiting and becoming a teen/adult until they make this decision. I don't know about you but when I was 4-9 I wasn't thinking about whether I wanted to change my gender or whether I wanted to bang the same sex. I just think they should wait until the child is at minimum consenting age to make this arrangement.

It isn't though. Hormone blockers don't do anything permanent. They just delay development.

[True Refuge]

I'm not gonna say the child is being forced, but it is undeniable that this is a life altering procedure, on a 7 year old child who's brain has not fully developed. If this is truly the feeling of the child then they should have no problem waiting and becoming a teen/adult until they make this decision. I don't know about you but when I was 4-9 I wasn't thinking about whether I wanted to change my gender or whether I wanted to bang the same sex. I just think they should wait until the child is at minimum consenting age to make this arrangement.

It isn't though. Hormone blockers don't do anything permanent. They just delay development.

And no one takes hormone blockers until just before puberty. A 7 year old will not be taking them.

Also, as someone's pointed out before, there is no indication that anyone will be forced to start any blockers or medical transitions.

[Radiatia]

Gender dysphoria is a horrible thing, and whatever my own views on transgender issues, I do want to make clear that I in no way mean any disrespect to individuals suffering from it, nor do I in any way advocate removing people's rights to make an informed choice to transition to another sex.

However, let's be clear: The age of 7 is far too young to be making an informed choice on such a matter. If people had listened to me at that age, I (a heterosexual male) probably would have been put in the same position, and lived to regret it.

It is very, very clear that this child is being used as a tool by people with an extreme and dangerous agenda. What is happening here is child abuse of the worst kind.

If he chooses, as an adult, to transition to living as a woman, I would support his right to make that decision. I do not support such a decision being made at an age when you are too young to understand the consequences.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Idk if it was talked about yet but apparently the court said the dad will now have a say in the matter and any medical decisions will require joint approval of both parents.

[Grenartia]

Gender dysphoria is a horrible thing, and whatever my own views on transgender issues, I do want to make clear that I in no way mean any disrespect to individuals suffering from it, nor do I in any way advocate removing people's rights to make an informed choice to transition to another sex.

Yet, you, who do not have it, feel the need to expound on what people, even children who have it, and suffer from it, must do. What's next? Telling someone in a wheelchair to "just try to walk"?

However, let's be clear: The age of 7 is far too young to be making an informed choice on such a matter. If people had listened to me at that age, I (a heterosexual male) probably would have been put in the same position, and lived to regret it.

You act like she's getting surgery tomorrow. If yall knew half as much about transition as yall think yall do (I'm talking about everyone sharing your opinion, not just you), then you'd know that nothing irreversible happens before the age of 16, when they're already capable of making important decisions, such as operating a motor vehicle, accepting or declining any other form of medical treatment, and in many jurisdictions, even consenting to sex.

It is very, very clear that this child is being used as a tool

No, it is not.

by people with an extreme and dangerous agenda.

"Maybe we should take reasonable steps to allow kids suffering from gender dysphoria to suffer less, without doing anything permanent until they can make an informed decision about their own healthcare." is not "an extreme and dangerous agenda", and I fucking defy ANYONE on this forum to prove otherwise.

What is happening here is child abuse of the worst kind.

No, it fucking isn't, and claiming it is only waters down the meaning of the term.

If he chooses, as an adult, to transition to living as a woman, I would support his right to make that decision.

*she, *her

I do not support such a decision being made at an age when you are too young to understand the consequences.

I do not support children deciding they're cisgender when they are too young to understand the consequences.

See how fucking stupid that sounds now?

[Neutraligon]

It isn't though. Hormone blockers don't do anything permanent. They just delay development.

And no one takes hormone blockers until just before puberty. A 7 year old will not be taking them.

Also, as someone's pointed out before, there is no indication that anyone will be forced to start any blockers or medical transitions.

I believe it actually starts being taken just after puberty begins.

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In the Harry Potter series, Uncle Vernon famously said "I'm not paying for some crackpot old fool to teach him (Harry) magic tricks!" In a similar vein, this man shouldn't need to sell his house just to pay for a sex change such a young child may or may not ultimately want in the long term. If the father won't consent to or respect this child's wishes to become M to F, this should supercede his mother's desire for that to happen. My belief is that the mother brainwashed and corrupted this kid from an early age with wrong ideas about what he is.

In the Harry Potter series, magic is real and Harry was required to discover his powers so he could defeat Voldemort who would have eventually enslaved the whole world if not stopped, so Uncle Vernon isn't a good role model.

[Nakena]

In the Harry Potter series, Uncle Vernon famously said "I'm not paying for some crackpot old fool to teach him (Harry) magic tricks!" In a similar vein, this man shouldn't need to sell his house just to pay for a sex change such a young child may or may not ultimately want in the long term. If the father won't consent to or respect this child's wishes to become M to F, this should supercede his mother's desire for that to happen. My belief is that the mother brainwashed and corrupted this kid from an early age with wrong ideas about what he is.

In the Harry Potter series, magic is real and Harry was required to discover his powers so he could defeat Voldemort who would have eventually enslaved the whole world if not stopped, so Uncle Vernon isn't a good role model.

Saiwania would probably side with Voldemoort.

[Grenartia]

In the Harry Potter series, magic is real and Harry was required to discover his powers so he could defeat Voldemort who would have eventually enslaved the whole world if not stopped, so Uncle Vernon isn't a good role model.

Saiwania would probably side with Voldemoort.

I mean, of course a Nazi would side with evil.