#protectjamesyounger

[True Refuge]

If the child was born a male, he's a boy so far as I'm concerned. I condemn this mother and rebuke her. It should be grounds for divorcing her in my opinion. In a more just and traditional society, maybe even if this were still the 1950s- a judge trying to force any kid to change sex or gender would be fired and barred from that office.

Besides which, children in general almost never know what they truly want. I really doubt that this kid really wants to transition. This path should be discouraged in the strongest possible terms from my perspective.

It's difficult to be certain either way without hearing the same evidence that the judge and jury did, sure.

I am almost certain that OP's sources do not present the full picture.

[Aureumterra]

So basically it’s a lose-lose situation? Or is the mom really not as bad as the OP claims?

The mother is nowhere near as bad. She's a pediatrician, and the child's trans status has been supported by three different doctors.

At the age of seven?

So was it just “Mommy I want be a girl!”

[Necroghastia]

If the child was born a male, he's a boy so far as I'm concerned.

Luckily, this case doesn't concern you at all.

[Trotskylvania]

If the child was born a male, he's a boy so far as I'm concerned. I condemn this mother and rebuke her. It should be grounds for divorcing her in my opinion. In a more just and traditional society, maybe even if this were still the 1950s- a judge trying to force any kid to change sex or gender would be fired and barred from that office.

Besides which, children in general almost never know what they truly want. I really doubt that this kid really wants to transition. This path should be discouraged in the strongest possible terms from my perspective.

No. Just not.

If you are going to pretend that trans people aren't a thing, you can go exile yourself into the land of make believe with the flat-earthers, homeopaths and Young Earth creationists.

[Gravlen]

I'll add this: The guy abused his stepdaughters so bad one started self-harming and the other made a plan to commit suicide. He is garbage.

So basically it’s a lose-lose situation? Or is the mom really not as bad as the OP claims?

I don’t see any big problems with her. She’s following advice from medical professionals (which seems to be relatively uncontroversial in the medical community), she’s acting in the best interests of her child (as she sees it, at least), and she’s trying to include the father in the decision making process.

[True Refuge]

The mother is nowhere near as bad. She's a pediatrician, and the child's trans status has been supported by three different doctors.

At the age of seven?

So was it just “Mommy I want be a girl!”

Diagnosing gender dysphoria goes a bit further than a kid saying just that.

[Cekoviu]

At the age of seven?

So was it just “Mommy I want be a girl!”

Diagnosing gender dysphoria goes a bit further than a kid saying just that.

>thinking people who are still complaining about this care about the actual diagnostics and treatment process for gender dysphoria

[Greater Carloso]

It's only a matter of time before we see the start of massive civil cases and tribunal hearings when the body count rises and people finally begin to realise how insane and abusive it was letting children turn 'trans' at such a young age. Kudos to the father for trying to save his child, but unfortunately the State is not on his side. Joint conservatorship is not enough, quite frankly. The mother is clearly incapable of proper care.

[Trotskylvania]

It's only a matter of time before we see the start of massive civil cases and tribunal hearings when the body count rises and people finally begin to realise how insane and abusive it was letting children turn 'trans' at such a young age. Kudos to the father for trying to save his child, but unfortunately the State is not on his side. Joint conservatorship is not enough, quite frankly. The mother is clearly incapable of proper care.

None of that happened, the OP was completely falsified on the first page

No one was forcing the kid to do anything. The mother may have been a bit overzealous, but at the trial, with all of the facts at play, the Jury ruled in favor of the mother for a reason. She wasn't being forced to do anything by her mother; the father wants to keep pretending his daughter is a boy, in spite of living as a girl for the past four years.

[True Refuge]

It's only a matter of time before we see the start of massive civil cases and tribunal hearings when the body count rises and people finally begin to realise how insane and abusive it was letting children turn 'trans' at such a young age. Kudos to the father for trying to save his child, but unfortunately the State is not on his side. Joint conservatorship is not enough, quite frankly. The mother is clearly incapable of proper care.

The state being a judge and jury equipped with all the relevant evidence.

What do you mean by "turn trans"?

[Coromina Industries ASC]

If the child was born a male, he's a boy so far as I'm concerned. I condemn this mother and rebuke her. It should be grounds for divorcing her in my opinion. In a more just and traditional society, maybe even if this were still the 1950s- a judge trying to force any kid to change sex or gender would be fired and barred from that office.

Besides which, children in general almost never know what they truly want. I really doubt that this kid really wants to transition. This path should be discouraged in the strongest possible terms from my perspective.

Not really.
Here is what is said about any force to such a matter, quoted directly:

"Gov. Greg Abbott, U.S. Sen. Ted Cruz, U.S. Rep. Dan Crenshaw, and other politicians have latched on to reports in conservative media highlighting the father’s contention that the mother intended to force the child to undergo hormone therapy and puberty blockers to change the child’s biological gender."

The Judge of the case is not once mentioned. Here is the judges ruling, also directly quoted.

In her ruling Thursday, Judge Kim Cooks noted there was never an order for the child to undergo such treatment.

Additionally, records show that Georgulas asked the court to require mutual written consent, which would ensure she and Younger agree on a course of action before the child undergoes any such treatment. Her request also noted the child “is not yet at the age where treatment with hormonal expressions, puberty blockers, and/or transgendered reassignment surgery is medically considered.”

This text serves to prove that the fathers claims were totally based in untrue beliefs and beliefs that can only be described as paranoid in nature-and though the judge discovered this, being a good an smart judge, she did not take this as enough to jump to a final ruling.
Also, it states that the child is not at an age in which such is considered-though as I have been previously notified in certain cases people under 18 may be permitted to undergo gender reassignment surgery in certain cases where it is obvious that it is a genuine desire of the individual that has stood the test of time.

Now that I've taken time out of my day to try and show you the truth, I would ask that you consider this at the very least. I understand your views and beliefs-gender and those who want to change it are a very strange subject to people alien to the matter. I hate to jump to conclusions but I would assume that you identify as the gender to which you were assigned at birth, yes? And I imagine that you've had no quarrels with it? So these people with strange ideas with it are confusing and possibly, at least for some out there, is even threatening in some way. I personally recommend that you re-approach the matter. Look at it maybe without an open mind if that's not your style, but in a way that is easy to understand. Consider it as no more than people changing any other major facet of life-some people change city, or language-or gender! It's nothing that affects you, and it's best to carry on your merry way and pay it no mind. Don't misconstrue it as 'change your opinions to the greater good and obey big brother', I'm asking that you recognize the fact at hand that you're frankly wasting your time and grace in life worrying about inconsequential matters pertaining to people inconsequential to your life. If you want to support and accept everyone, that's absolutely fantastic! But if you just want to pass by the matter with an above-it-all mindset and simply give no more care to the matter, that's all that's needed of anyone. Like I've said before: Do your part, stop foaming at the mouth over other people's genitals!

P.S. A judge cannot force an individual to undergo a medical procedure or surgery unless the individual is either suffering from a severe medical condition or suffering from a mental health condition or disorder as detailed in the The Mental Capacity Act 2005, as well as the basic laws of Medical Consent-though it might still be feasible for such to occur. Regardless, this judge would have to be insane to risk creating the court order to force the child to undergo a surgery it would seem they already want and understanding the pre-existing nature of this case, as it is extremely public now and all eyes are on the court.

[Mettaton-EX]

It's only a matter of time before we see the start of massive civil cases and tribunal hearings when the body count rises and people finally begin to realise how insane and abusive it was letting children turn 'trans' at such a young age. Kudos to the father for trying to save his child, but unfortunately the State is not on his side. Joint conservatorship is not enough, quite frankly. The mother is clearly incapable of proper care.

it's been "only a matter of time" for like a decade at this point. i wouldn't hold my breath.

[Necroghastia]

It's only a matter of time before we see the start of massive civil cases and tribunal hearings when the body count rises and people finally begin to realise how insane and abusive it was letting children turn 'trans' at such a young age. Kudos to the father for trying to save his child, but unfortunately the State is not on his side. Joint conservatorship is not enough, quite frankly. The mother is clearly incapable of proper care.

What's abusive about letting this kid do what they want in terms of gender expression?

[Greater Carloso]

None of that happened, the OP was completely falsified on the first page

No one was forcing the kid to do anything. The mother may have been a bit overzealous, but at the trial, with all of the facts at play, the Jury ruled in favor of the mother for a reason. She wasn't being forced to do anything by her mother; the father wants to keep pretending his daughter is a boy, in spite of living as a girl for the past four years.

That is absolutely ridiculous. A 3-year-old, let alone a 7-year-old, cannot make these decisions and everybody knows that. To say otherwise is a denial of common sense.

[Ifreann]

3 year old=father apparently

The Texas father also claimed that his ex-wife “was putting my son into time-outs and she would lock him in his room and say that monsters only eat boys.”

Try reading the article.

Jeff "Lied To The Army" Younger is extremely trustworthy, how dare you.

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Transphobes siding with child abusers to "protect" trans children from their own identities is par de course, tbh.

"Child Abusers" Read my sig. BACA is biker's against child abuse. I think those who sexually abuse children should be executed and those who mentally or physically abuse them have the child taken out of their custody.

I like the last line "If you are reading this in English, thank a soldier!". Because English is only my first language thanks to soldiers. Soldiers who murdered people for speaking Irish and otherwise suppressed the Irish language. But I guess in your mind English == freedom.

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Children that have no even hit puberty yet, do not understand sexuality well, especially not in the way to have their sexuality with a solid formation. Its adults pushing their children to be transgender. Its disgusting to mess with a child's natural development that way.

I mean, at 6 I already had a good idea that I was into girls while also knowing how fucking stupid heterosexual relationship standards and practices are.

And nothing about that has changed for years after.

I had a girlfriend when I was, like, four. When we were in preschool we ducked our heads under the table to kiss.

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Every person here who keeps repeating the exact same tired lies about trans kids and transitioning ought to just stop already. If you don't actually know any better then the best thing you can do at this point is take a break, eat some humble pie, realize that you were ignorant and read some actual research for a change. If you do know better and are still spreading misinformation about trans kids and transitioning to push a fearmongering narrative, you are a malicious actor who's just playing dumb and your posting should be treated like toxic waste.

But I desperately need to drive a wedge between the LGB and the T! It's my only hope to thwart the march of progress!

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While the Jury found in favor of the mother and awarded her sole custody, the judge overruled the jury and kept joint custody.

A Dallas judge ruled Thursday that a father and mother will maintain joint custody of their children after a long court battle in which a 7-year-old’s gender became a central issue — and a crusade for conservative media and politicians, including Texas’ governor.

The mother still got some of what she originally wanted.

Gov. Greg Abbott, U.S. Sen. Ted Cruz, U.S. Rep. Dan Crenshaw, and other politicians have latched on to reports in conservative media highlighting the father’s contention that the mother intended to force the child to undergo hormone therapy and puberty blockers to change the child’s biological gender.

In her ruling Thursday, Judge Kim Cooks noted there was never an order for the child to undergo such treatment.

Additionally, records show that Georgulas asked the court to require mutual written consent, which would ensure she and Younger agree on a course of action before the child undergoes any such treatment. Her request also noted the child “is not yet at the age where treatment with hormonal expressions, puberty blockers, and/or transgendered reassignment surgery is medically considered.”

The judge went on to ask the parents (the father) to shut the fuck up.

On Thursday, the judge prohibited both parents from commenting publicly on the case until the children are 18.

Cooks said in her ruling Thursday that both parents will need to consent to those decisions. Additionally, Younger will not be required to identify the child as a girl, as Georgulas wanted.

But the judge admonished Younger for bringing media attention to the case. She said the father had legitimate concerns at first but later courted controversy “at the cost of protection and privacy of his children.”

And let's not forget that the father is a successful grifter:

Younger has received about $130,000 in donations from his publicity campaign, Cooks said.

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/courts/2019/10/24/dallas-child-custody-battle-hinges-on-7-year-olds-gender-identity-draws-attention-of-abbott-cruz/

What a crock of shit.

[Necroghastia]

None of that happened, the OP was completely falsified on the first page

No one was forcing the kid to do anything. The mother may have been a bit overzealous, but at the trial, with all of the facts at play, the Jury ruled in favor of the mother for a reason. She wasn't being forced to do anything by her mother; the father wants to keep pretending his daughter is a boy, in spite of living as a girl for the past four years.

That is absolutely ridiculous. A 3-year-old, let alone a 7-year-old, cannot make these decisions and everybody knows that. To say otherwise is a denial of common sense.

They can't decide what kind of clothes they like? What name they prefer to be called by? Really?

[Trotskylvania]

None of that happened, the OP was completely falsified on the first page

No one was forcing the kid to do anything. The mother may have been a bit overzealous, but at the trial, with all of the facts at play, the Jury ruled in favor of the mother for a reason. She wasn't being forced to do anything by her mother; the father wants to keep pretending his daughter is a boy, in spite of living as a girl for the past four years.

That is absolutely ridiculous. A 3-year-old, let alone a 7-year-old, cannot make these decisions and everybody knows that. To say otherwise is a denial of common sense.

Yeah they can. It's different for everyone, but some trans people experienced gender dysphoria even in early childhood. And honestly, before puberty it's really only presentation that allows people to tell if someone is a boy or a girl. If they're happy living one way or the other, it's not your business to force them, whether they are cis or trans.

What is absolutely ruinous to people's wellbeings is forcing them to go through a puberty that they don't want. Puberty blockers are very safe. And much of the moralizing about children not being able to make this choice is pretty farcical. Cisgender kids get put on hormone replacement therapy all the time because doctors think they're not going through puberty right.

My brother was put on androgen supplements when he was in puberty because the family doctors advised that his hormone levels weren't right. These pills made him absolutely miserable, but because the doctor said they were important, we all went along with it.

[Loben The 2nd]

It's only a matter of time before we see the start of massive civil cases and tribunal hearings when the body count rises and people finally begin to realise how insane and abusive it was letting children turn 'trans' at such a young age. Kudos to the father for trying to save his child, but unfortunately the State is not on his side. Joint conservatorship is not enough, quite frankly. The mother is clearly incapable of proper care.

None of that happened, the OP was completely falsified on the first page

No one was forcing the kid to do anything. The mother may have been a bit overzealous, but at the trial, with all of the facts at play, the Jury ruled in favor of the mother for a reason. She wasn't being forced to do anything by her mother; the father wants to keep pretending his daughter is a boy, in spite of living as a girl for the past four years.

from the age of 3?

[Ifreann]

None of that happened, the OP was completely falsified on the first page

No one was forcing the kid to do anything. The mother may have been a bit overzealous, but at the trial, with all of the facts at play, the Jury ruled in favor of the mother for a reason. She wasn't being forced to do anything by her mother; the father wants to keep pretending his daughter is a boy, in spite of living as a girl for the past four years.

from the age of 3?

Why not?

[Necroghastia]

None of that happened, the OP was completely falsified on the first page

No one was forcing the kid to do anything. The mother may have been a bit overzealous, but at the trial, with all of the facts at play, the Jury ruled in favor of the mother for a reason. She wasn't being forced to do anything by her mother; the father wants to keep pretending his daughter is a boy, in spite of living as a girl for the past four years.

from the age of 3?

7-4=3, yes. Congratulations.

[True Refuge]

from the age of 3?

Why not?

Indeed.

The correct way to go about it is to make sure the child is serious, then remain neutral and decide what they want to do until they make the final decision (s) as to whether they are cis or trans.

[Liriena]

The mother is nowhere near as bad. She's a pediatrician, and the child's trans status has been supported by three different doctors.

At the age of seven?

So was it just “Mommy I want be a girl!”

...you know that you can look this stuff up, right? Standards of care for trans kids, criteria to determine if a child is trans, how often children who express a gender identity different from the one assigned at birth continue to identify as such later in life...?

[Liriena]

None of that happened, the OP was completely falsified on the first page

No one was forcing the kid to do anything. The mother may have been a bit overzealous, but at the trial, with all of the facts at play, the Jury ruled in favor of the mother for a reason. She wasn't being forced to do anything by her mother; the father wants to keep pretending his daughter is a boy, in spite of living as a girl for the past four years.

from the age of 3?

Objectively, empirically, yes.

[Liriena]

Why not?

Indeed.

The correct way to go about it is to make sure the child is serious, then remain neutral and decide what they want to do until they make the final decision (s) as to whether they are cis or trans.

As a general rule of thumb, a professional won't just unilaterally declare a child trans because she said "I want to be a girl!" one time in passing.

[Ifreann]

Indeed.

The correct way to go about it is to make sure the child is serious, then remain neutral and decide what they want to do until they make the final decision (s) as to whether they are cis or trans.

As a general rule of thumb, a professional won't just unilaterally declare a child trans because she said "I want to be a girl!" one time in passing.

But I want to believe in crazy SJWs transing kids for no good reason.