#protectjamesyounger

[Loben The 2nd]

[more white noise]

Still nothing.

Uh-huh.

[SD_Film Artists]

Glad to hear that. Still there is the risk that it will be over-sold for those who were looking in the wrong place.

Perhaps. But only fools rush in, so a careful consideration of the circumstances before any irreversible actions are performed is key.

There's a difference between no longer associating with a group and being actively shunned and silenced out of fear that the words will cause other believers to move away from the creed.

Also, a person who wants to change back to being cis is still a part of the trans communtiy as they are still a part of what it is to be trans. They could stay around to advise people and be an ally.

Yeah, I really don't think that's as big of a deal as you're making it out to be. But either way, a wariness of detransitioners is not exactly unwarranted: prominent ones have used their position not to be allies, but to attack people who actually are trans and try to take away our rights. It would be great if more were able to see past their own experience and understand that not everyone is like them, but I don't think I've ever seen a permanent detransitioner who was that way.

And by 'attack' do you mean purposely and personally criticising a trans person simply for being trans, or do you mean that the detransitioner was saying things which don't follow the party line?

[Agarntrop]

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How do you know?

I could be Liri.

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[New haven america]

How do you know?

I could be Liri.

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Anime Ja Nai!

[Cekoviu]

Sexual reassignment surgery can actually be performed before 18, but only in the most outstanding of situations (i.e., years of consistent and strong identification as the gender to which the person wishes to be reassigned, a clear understanding of everything the surgery entails, and maturity beyond their years). It is extraordinarily rare and nobody's advocating for it to be sooner.

Huh, TIL! I've had a few friends under 18 who've understood the gender they want to be for years and they still weren't permitted but then again I saw abortion protesters just outside of my city a few weeks ago so I'm hardly surprised-but that's besides the point of this thread. It's strange that hasn't already happened here-especially considering how obviously popular the story has become. Then again it's also been portrayed as the child being 'confused' though I hardly see anything giving a solid argument to that, either.

If you mean they couldn't socially or medically transition at all, that's almost certainly due to their parents or legal issues if you live outside the US. But if you just mean SRS, it's an extremely rare occurrence to get it prior to the age of majority. Even if they fulfill the criteria for getting it at 17 (or 16, the absolute minimum), it's extremely expensive and many insurance providers/governments don't cover it, so they have to wait until they save enough money for that.

[Coromina Industries ASC]

Just read OP's bio and they said 'Dark Socialism was right' and honestly I cannot take anything they say or post seriously ever again because of it but my point still stands. Don't use this persons life to push any agendas. Specifically y'all, transphobes, we see you and we are not pleased, but I feel obligated to maintain at least SOME neutrality. Choosing ones gender-especially if it could involve a form of reassignment or other surgery-is a big deal! Please, for the love of all that is good and gay in this world, don't ruin yet another trans kid's life, if they do choose to be trans or change their gender by any other name.

The thought behind this is appreciable, but you should probably know that for the vast majority of trans people, their gender is not a choice. If choosing one's gender was possible, very few or no trans people would actually exist because everyone would just choose cisgender contentedness over misery that can only be resolved by body modification.

Oh, yeah, no I totally know that! I myself am non-binary and have been for years and I've had plenty of my mtf and ftm friends explain the concept. And you're totally right, I would chose to be a straight cis person in a heartbeat but I am who I am and that's something I would die by without question.
And to avoid getting #REpORteD by a spooky lookin' transphobe stay on topic of the thread I hope the same for the kid, too. And anyone reading this of course as well.

[Cekoviu]

Perhaps. But only fools rush in, so a careful consideration of the circumstances before any irreversible actions are performed is key.

Yeah, I really don't think that's as big of a deal as you're making it out to be. But either way, a wariness of detransitioners is not exactly unwarranted: prominent ones have used their position not to be allies, but to attack people who actually are trans and try to take away our rights. It would be great if more were able to see past their own experience and understand that not everyone is like them, but I don't think I've ever seen a permanent detransitioner who was that way.

And by 'attack' do you mean purposely and personally criticising a trans person simply for being trans, or do you mean that the detransitioner was saying things which don't follow the party line?

It depends on what you mean by the latter. If you mean "being a transphobic activist who tries to prevent trans people from getting support and adequate care," yes. Otherwise, no.

[Necroghastia]

Please, all of you who are foaming at the mouth, tell me what damage is being done here. If the kid decides they're cis, hormone blockers can be stopped with no complications. If they're not, hormone blockers are undoubtedly helpful. What's the big fat fucking issue?

Almost 10 pages later, still no answer to this question. Makes ya think.

[Cekoviu]

The thought behind this is appreciable, but you should probably know that for the vast majority of trans people, their gender is not a choice. If choosing one's gender was possible, very few or no trans people would actually exist because everyone would just choose cisgender contentedness over misery that can only be resolved by body modification.

Oh, yeah, no I totally know that! I myself am non-binary and have been for years and I've had plenty of my mtf and ftm friends explain the concept. And you're totally right, I would chose to be a straight cis person in a heartbeat but I am who I am and that's something I would die by without question.
And to avoid getting #REpORteD by a spooky lookin' transphobe stay on topic of the thread I hope the same for the kid, too. And anyone reading this of course as well.

Ah, cool. Glad we resolved that.

[Coromina Industries ASC]

Please, all of you who are foaming at the mouth, tell me what damage is being done here. If the kid decides they're cis, hormone blockers can be stopped with no complications. If they're not, hormone blockers are undoubtedly helpful. What's the big fat fucking issue?

Almost 10 pages later, still no answer to this question. Makes ya think.

Methinks that the issue is transphobes are using this kid as a ploy for why 'thems nasty transies' should be restricted of all rights to pee in peeace. _{Sorry, peace.} I for one, as one of these said nasty transies, are unhappy that such has to occur-Especially to a child.

[SD_Film Artists]

And by 'attack' do you mean purposely and personally criticising a trans person simply for being trans, or do you mean that the detransitioner was saying things which don't follow the party line?

It depends on what you mean by the latter. If you mean "being a transphobic activist who tries to prevent trans people from getting support and adequate care," yes. Otherwise, no.

The problem there is "transphobic" is highly subjective. I've known people to be called "transphobes" simply because they objected to a trans person saying that they "hate all cis people".

[Trotskylvania]

Imagine my surprise when all the claims made in the ridiculously loaded and hyperbolic OP are blown out of the water in the first page, and yet there are 35 more pages to go in the thread.

[New haven america]

Imagine my surprise when all the claims made in the ridiculously loaded and hyperbolic OP are blown out of the water in the first page, and yet there are 35 more pages to go in the thread.

The shit posting won't stop until the thread quality improves!

[SD_Film Artists]

Imagine my surprise when all the claims made in the ridiculously loaded and hyperbolic OP are blown out of the water in the first page, and yet there are 35 more pages to go in the thread.

The regular Trans thread is protected by runes which prevent debate being had. This is an open-season NSG trans thread so naturally a lot of activity flows through the bottleneck.

[Coromina Industries ASC]

Imagine my surprise when all the claims made in the ridiculously loaded and hyperbolic OP are blown out of the water in the first page, and yet there are 35 more pages to go in the thread.

The regular Trans thread is protected by runes which prevent debate being had. This is an open-season NSG trans thread.

SHHHH THE MODS ARE GONNA HEAR YA!

[Cekoviu]

It depends on what you mean by the latter. If you mean "being a transphobic activist who tries to prevent trans people from getting support and adequate care," yes. Otherwise, no.

The problem there is "transphobic" is highly subjective. I've known people to be called "transphobes" simply because they objected to a trans person saying that they "hate all cis people".

I'm not one to mislabel things.

[Cekoviu]

Imagine my surprise when all the claims made in the ridiculously loaded and hyperbolic OP are blown out of the water in the first page, and yet there are 35 more pages to go in the thread.

The regular Trans thread is protected by runes which prevent debate being had. This is an open-season NSG trans thread.

Weird that we routinely manage to have modless debates with people who want to restrict transgender rights and amongst regulars; shouldn't those runes be preventing us from doing that?

[New haven america]

Imagine my surprise when all the claims made in the ridiculously loaded and hyperbolic OP are blown out of the water in the first page, and yet there are 35 more pages to go in the thread.

The regular Trans thread is protected by runes which prevent debate being had. This is an open-season NSG trans thread so naturally a lot of activity flows through the bottleneck.

People are allowed to debate in there, they're just not allowed to act like a transphobic assholes.

Like, it's not a hard rule to follow.

[SD_Film Artists]

The regular Trans thread is protected by runes which prevent debate being had. This is an open-season NSG trans thread.

Weird that we routinely manage to have modless debates with people who want to restrict transgender rights and amongst regulars; shouldn't those runes be preventing us from doing that?

Perhaps I'm mistaken but it was my understanding that, while non-allys are welcome to ask questions, it's not a thread for hard-grilling questions on trans issues; instead being more of a support thread.

[SD_Film Artists]

The regular Trans thread is protected by runes which prevent debate being had. This is an open-season NSG trans thread so naturally a lot of activity flows through the bottleneck.

People are allowed to debate in there, they're just not allowed to act like a transphobic assholes.

Like, it's not a hard rule to follow.

If they're being transphobic assholes- to mean being blatent trolls/flamebaiters with no constructive intention, then they would be breaking general forum rules rather than thread rules.

[Liriena]

Imagine my surprise when all the claims made in the ridiculously loaded and hyperbolic OP are blown out of the water in the first page, and yet there are 35 more pages to go in the thread.

It's almost like there is a pattern of a certain type of poster, with a certain kind of worldview, creating threads out of ridiculously loaded, hyperbolic and often flat out dishonest opening posts.

[New haven america]

People are allowed to debate in there, they're just not allowed to act like a transphobic assholes.

Like, it's not a hard rule to follow.

If they're being transphobic assholes- to mean being blatent trolls/flamebaiters with no constructive intention, then they would be breaking general forum rules rather than thread rules.

Acting like the former doesn't mean you're necessarily the latter.

[New haven america]

Imagine my surprise when all the claims made in the ridiculously loaded and hyperbolic OP are blown out of the water in the first page, and yet there are 35 more pages to go in the thread.

It's almost like there is a pattern of a certain type of poster, with a certain kind of worldview, creating threads out of ridiculously loaded, hyperbolic and often flat out dishonest opening posts.

*Gasp* Who would do such a thing!?

[The East Marches II]

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[Liriena]

It's almost like there is a pattern of a certain type of poster, with a certain kind of worldview, creating threads out of ridiculously loaded, hyperbolic and often flat out dishonest opening posts.

*Gasp* Who would do such a thing!?

Lying on the internet to emotionally manipulate and radicalize people who don't know better and are unlikely to do fact-checking? Nah, that couldn't possibly be a thing.