#protectjamesyounger

[Liriena]

Toddlers cannot grasp the concept of most things in the world, let alone changing their gender.

[beleaguered sigh]

These results suggest that (a)
social transitions may be predictable from gender identification and preferences and (b) gender
identification and preferences may not meaningfully differ before and after social transitions.

[Loben The 2nd]

Never mind that a fucking seven year old shouldn't be allowed to transition in the first place...

Did everyone on this site just forget that children never know what the fuck they're doing? You were all children once, for fucks sake.

apparently they did.

then again there are people on this site that dont mind a little boy stripping for cash but thats neither here nor there.

[Liriena]

Never mind that a fucking seven year old shouldn't be allowed to transition in the first place...

Did everyone on this site just forget that children never know what the fuck they're doing? You were all children once, for fucks sake.

apparently they did.

then again there are people on this site that dont mind a little boy stripping for cash but thats neither here nor there.

[Agarntrop]

Children that have no even hit puberty yet, do not understand sexuality well, especially not in the way to have their sexuality with a solid formation. Its adults pushing their children to be transgender. Its disgusting to mess with a child's natural development that way.

I mean, at 6 I already had a good idea that I was into girls while also knowing how fucking stupid heterosexual relationship standards and practices are.

And nothing about that has changed for years after.

So you're saying you felt sexual attraction at age 6?

[New haven america]

1. Yes you are.
2. Yes they are.

1. I never even referenced homosexual/bisexual kids in my statement, so I am not. You are simply strawmanning me.
2. Well, that's a new level of ridiculousness that I have never encountered before, almost akin to saying "his 1st word was mama, he wants to be a girl, quick, castrate him." Toddlers cannot grasp the concept of most things in the world, let alone changing their gender.

1. No I'm not, I'm talking about problems LGBT people face.
2. There are several instances of children knowing what their gender is before they even learn what gender is. The most iconic of this would be David Reimer, a Canadian intersex child who doctors made into a female and forced him to believe he was a female and who spent most of his life socially as a female, when in actuality he knew he was a male ever since he could remember.

[Liriena]

1. I never even referenced homosexual/bisexual kids in my statement, so I am not. You are simply strawmanning me.
2. Well, that's a new level of ridiculousness that I have never encountered before, almost akin to saying "his 1st word was mama, he wants to be a girl, quick, castrate him." Toddlers cannot grasp the concept of most things in the world, let alone changing their gender.

1. No I'm not, I'm talking about problems LGBT people face.
2. There are several instances of children knowing what their gender is before they even learn what gender is. The most iconic of this would be David Reimer, a Canadian intersex child who doctors made into a female and forced him to believe he was a female and who spent most of his life socially as a female, when in actuality he knew he was a male ever since he could remember.

Transphobes love to use David Reimer's story as a cudgel to bash trans kids with, to argue that all trans kids are somehow victims of child abuse... But, if they actually had any honesty or any interest in actually thinking hard about it, they'd notice that, actually, David Reimer's case is the ultimate proof that parents and therapists can't unilaterally and successfully force a specific gender identity onto their children.

[New haven america]

I mean, at 6 I already had a good idea that I was into girls while also knowing how fucking stupid heterosexual relationship standards and practices are.

And nothing about that has changed for years after.

So you're saying you felt sexual attraction at age 6?

Yes, early bloomers are super common in my family, with my dad and uncle hitting puberty at around 7-9, and all of my male cousins hitting it around 6-8. (Seriously, my oldest male cousin was taller and weighed more than most high school seniors when he was only 13)

Also, whether they know it or not, a lot of kids already have a decent idea of what they're sexually attracted to by the age of 5.

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

Never mind that a fucking seven year old shouldn't be allowed to transition in the first place...

Did everyone on this site just forget that children never know what the fuck they're doing? You were all children once, for fucks sake.

Tbh when I was only a little older than that I knew I had feelings for the same sex...

Entirely different. If you're gay, then you're gay. That's that. But being transgender is something else entirely as it requires a complete change in who you are physically, which in many cases is something that cannot be reversed should you desire it. You can't stop being gay but not everyone who transitions lives happily ever after. Some go back and try to reverse the process if the option is available because it didn't make them as happy as they thought it would.

And that's fine, people make mistakes. It's for that same reason I'd advise people not to get vasectomies just because they don't want kids now, because they might want them later. These types of operations aren't always reversible. Decisions this important require deep thought by someone who actually understands the consequences of these decisions.

Children and teenagers do not, and are quite prone to doing things they tend to regret later in life. Of course adults do that too, but they should already know better. Once you've reached adulthood you begin noticing things that were rather obvious the whole time that you didn't pick up on when you were younger, either because you didn't understand or because you didn't know anything about it; that's just maturity.

Seven year olds don't know shit about transitioning or the consequences that come with such a decision being made. Children have guardians for a reason, and that reason is to make decisions that are ultimately in the best interest of the child. That is not what is happening here at all. Sexuality is simple: you're attracted to certain people. There is no complexity in it at all. The same cannot be said for being Trans, which is still not fully understood by the medical community. There is no possible way a seven year old could understand what they're getting in involved in here no matter how much you explained it to them; kids just aren't that smart. For all we know he could hit puberty and realize this isn't what he wants, which is very likely.

There is no such thing as a "Trans Kid"; there are only parents who want to change their kids' sex, and that is not to the benefit of the child. I've had my own serious doubts about my gender identity and sexuality before, all of which occurred after puberty. If I wanted to change my sex then as a legal adult I should have every right to do so because I am mature enough to deal with the consequences of my actions if they prove irreversible. Children cannot, and so should not have that same right for that very specific reason.

I mean Hell, kids as old as 12 years can still be eating paste for fucks sake.

[Liriena]

So you're saying you felt sexual attraction at age 6?

Yes, early bloomers are super common in my family, with my dad and uncle hitting puberty at around 7-9.

Also, whether they know it or not, a lot of kids already have a decent idea of what they're sexually attracted to by the age of 5.

For me, it was Ken Ichijouji.

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

Never mind that a fucking seven year old shouldn't be allowed to transition in the first place...

Did everyone on this site just forget that children never know what the fuck they're doing? You were all children once, for fucks sake.

apparently they did.

then again there are people on this site that dont mind a little boy stripping for cash but thats neither here nor there.

Don't remind me of that thread. I'm still cringing from it and have several users on 'ignore' for their posts as a result.

[Agarntrop]

1. I never even referenced homosexual/bisexual kids in my statement, so I am not. You are simply strawmanning me.
2. Well, that's a new level of ridiculousness that I have never encountered before, almost akin to saying "his 1st word was mama, he wants to be a girl, quick, castrate him." Toddlers cannot grasp the concept of most things in the world, let alone changing their gender.

1. No I'm not, I'm talking about problems LGBT people face.
2. There are several instances of children knowing what their gender is before they even learn what gender is. The most iconic of this would be David Reimer, a Canadian intersex child who doctors made into a female and forced him to believe he was a female and who spent most of his life socially as a female, when in actuality he knew he was a male ever since he could remember.

I actually believe that intersex kids should not be forcibly made into one sex or another until they reach the age of consent and that that should be enshrined into law. I use the same principle that life-changing descusons shouldn't be imposed on small children who cannot consent.

[Liriena]

Tbh when I was only a little older than that I knew I had feelings for the same sex...

Entirely different. If you're gay, then you're gay. That's that. But being transgender is something else entirely as it requires a complete change in who you are physically, which in many cases is something that cannot be reversed should you desire it. You can't stop being gay but not everyone who transitions lives happily ever after. Some go back and try to reverse the process if the option is available because it didn't make them as happy as they thought it would.

And that's fine, people make mistakes. It's for that same reason I'd advise people not to get vasectomies just because they don't want kids now, because they might want them later. These types of operations aren't always reversible. Decisions this important require deep thought by someone who actually understands the consequences of these decisions.

Children and teenagers do not, and are quite prone to doing things they tend to regret later in life. Of course adults do that too, but they should already know better. Once you've reached adulthood you begin noticing things that were rather obvious the whole time that you didn't pick up on when you were younger, either because you didn't understand or because you didn't know anything about it; that's just maturity.

Seven year olds don't know shit about transitioning or the consequences that come with such a decision being made. Children have guardians for a reason, and that reason is to make decisions that are ultimately in the best interest of the child. That is not what is happening here at all. Sexuality is simple: you're attracted to certain people. There is no complexity in it at all. The same cannot be said for being Trans, which is still not fully understood by the medical community. There is no possible way a seven year old could understand what they're getting in involved in here no matter how much you explained it to them; kids just aren't that smart. For all we know he could hit puberty and realize this isn't what he wants, which is very likely.

There is no such thing as a "Trans Kid"; there are only parents who want to change their kids' sex, and that is not to the benefit of the child. I've had my own serious doubts about my gender identity and sexuality before, all of which occurred after puberty. If I wanted to change my sex then as a legal adult I should have every right to do so because I am mature enough to deal with the consequences of my actions if they prove irreversible. Children cannot, and so should not have that same right for that very specific reason.

I mean Hell, kids as old as 12 years can still be eating paste for fucks sake.

I'm seeing a lot of claims and assumptions with no actual substance. As expected.

The good news with kids that may figure out that they weren't trans later in life is that transitioning for pre-pubescent children is not medical. There are no hormones or surgery involved. So... yeah... there goes your flaccid, overwritten attempt at anti-trans hysteria.

[The New California Republic]

Tbh when I was only a little older than that I knew I had feelings for the same sex...

Did you have early puberty or something?

People can realise they are that way before puberty.

[Rostavykhan]

We raise kids as cis because cisgenderism is a passive state of being, you don't have to change or feel different to be cis. Transgenderism requires making massive changes to both your body and your lifestyle, and as a result is not assumed in kids like cisgenderism is.

I guess you could say that people don't make an effort to raise kids as CIS because it comes naturally.

[Loben The 2nd]

apparently they did.

then again there are people on this site that dont mind a little boy stripping for cash but thats neither here nor there.

Don't remind me of that thread. I'm still cringing from it and have several users on 'ignore' for their posts as a result.

i found it eye opening and im sure this thread will be more of the same.

[Gravlen]

Tbh when I was only a little older than that I knew I had feelings for the same sex...

Entirely different. If you're gay, then you're gay. That's that. But being transgender is something else entirely as it requires a complete change in who you are physically, which in many cases is something that cannot be reversed should you desire it. You can't stop being gay but not everyone who transitions lives happily ever after. Some go back and try to reverse the process if the option is available because it didn't make them as happy as they thought it would.

And that's fine, people make mistakes. It's for that same reason I'd advise people not to get vasectomies just because they don't want kids now, because they might want them later. These types of operations aren't always reversible. Decisions this important require deep thought by someone who actually understands the consequences of these decisions.

Children and teenagers do not, and are quite prone to doing things they tend to regret later in life. Of course adults do that too, but they should already know better. Once you've reached adulthood you begin noticing things that were rather obvious the whole time that you didn't pick up on when you were younger, either because you didn't understand or because you didn't know anything about it; that's just maturity.

Seven year olds don't know shit about transitioning or the consequences that come with such a decision being made. Children have guardians for a reason, and that reason is to make decisions that are ultimately in the best interest of the child. That is not what is happening here at all. Sexuality is simple: you're attracted to certain people. There is no complexity in it at all. The same cannot be said for being Trans, which is still not fully understood by the medical community. There is no possible way a seven year old could understand what they're getting in involved in here no matter how much you explained it to them; kids just aren't that smart. For all we know he could hit puberty and realize this isn't what he wants, which is very likely.

There is no such thing as a "Trans Kid"; there are only parents who want to change their kids' sex, and that is not to the benefit of the child. I've had my own serious doubts about my gender identity and sexuality before, all of which occurred after puberty. If I wanted to change my sex then as a legal adult I should have every right to do so because I am mature enough to deal with the consequences of my actions if they prove irreversible. Children cannot, and so should not have that same right for that very specific reason.

I mean Hell, kids as old as 12 years can still be eating paste for fucks sake.

So... what's the problem with this situation, then? At seven years old, nothing is being done apart from allowing the child to dress the way the child wants to dress.

To repeat myself:

Laura Edwards-Leeper, a clinical psychologist at Pacific University, said that for someone of Luna’s age, gender-affirming care would not include any kind of medical intervention until they hit puberty. Even then, she said, it’s not an automatic procedure.

After a mental-health evaluation and discussion with parents, it might encompass a range of activities to help “the child to live as their authentic gender, and with their preferred gender expression, at any given point in time, without a presumption about their future gender identity,” she said.

For a 7-year-old, that might mean speaking to experts and potentially helping them through a social transition, which might include changing their clothes, hairstyle or pronouns. At around ages 10 to 13, parents, health professionals and the child might decide to take puberty blockers, which delay the development of secondary sex characteristics, like facial hair or breasts.

Those can be stopped at any time, and puberty continues as it would normally. “It is only irreversible if the adults in the child’s life make it irreversible,” Edwards-Leeper told The Post. “If the adults can stay open to whatever trajectory the child has, then it’s completely reversible.”

[Agarntrop]

So you're saying you felt sexual attraction at age 6?

Yes, early bloomers are super common in my family, with my dad and uncle hitting puberty at around 7-9, and all of my male cousins hitting it around 6-8. (Seriously, my oldest male cousin was taller and weighed more than most high school seniors when he was only 13)

Oh, wow, I see. Lol. I reached puberty somewhat early (started about 10 as a male), although I am still not really sure of my sexuality even as a teenager.

[New haven america]

Did you have early puberty or something?

People can realise they are that way before puberty.

Not according to Agarn, who seems to believe kids are asexual until puberty.

[SD_Film Artists]

Tbh when I was only a little older than that I knew I had feelings for the same sex...

Entirely different. If you're gay, then you're gay. That's that. But being transgender is something else entirely as it requires a complete change in who you are physically, which in many cases is something that cannot be reversed should you desire it. You can't stop being gay but not everyone who transitions lives happily ever after. Some go back and try to reverse the process if the option is available because it didn't make them as happy as they thought it would.

Perhaps there's a risk of the 'grass is always greener on the other side' perspective happening. They think it's all rosy and then become depressed when it's not, as someone sold them the idea that it will solve their teenage problems. I'm also concerned about the people who do want to go back to being cis but then get shunned by the trans community, as if a religious group wants to close ranks.

[Agarntrop]

Did you have early puberty or something?

People can realise they are that way before puberty.

How? I had no idea what sexuality I was before puberty, and 99% of the people I know are the same.

[New haven america]

Yes, early bloomers are super common in my family, with my dad and uncle hitting puberty at around 7-9, and all of my male cousins hitting it around 6-8. (Seriously, my oldest male cousin was taller and weighed more than most high school seniors when he was only 13)

Oh, wow, I see. Lol. I reached puberty somewhat early (started about 10 as a male), although I am still not really sure of my sexuality even as a teenager.

And a lot of kids are already sure of their sexuality by the age of 5, an some people aren't sure of their sexuality until their 50's.

Here's a piece of advice: Not everyone develops at the same pace, some go faster, some go slower.

[Gravlen]

We raise kids as cis because cisgenderism is a passive state of being, you don't have to change or feel different to be cis. Transgenderism requires making massive changes to both your body and your lifestyle, and as a result is not assumed in kids like cisgenderism is.

I guess you could say that people don't make an effort to raise kids as CIS because it comes naturally.

The father in this case claims to make an effort. He's the one forcing the child to dress and behave a certain way which the child feels is unnatural.

[Rostavykhan]

People can realise they are that way before puberty.

How? I had no idea what sexuality I was before puberty, and 99% of the people I know are the same.

Surely most people have had at least one case of puppy love or a first-grade crush?

[Liriena]

Don't remind me of that thread. I'm still cringing from it and have several users on 'ignore' for their posts as a result.

i found it eye opening and im sure this thread will be more of the same.

If you ever read anything truly eye-opening you wouldn't be cynically shitposting like a boomer rn

[New haven america]

How? I had no idea what sexuality I was before puberty, and 99% of the people I know are the same.

Surely most people have had at least one case of puppy love or a first-grade crush?

I did!

And then I met back up with her in high school and noticed she became pretty hot.