#protectjamesyounger

[The New California Republic]

Listen, my information is backed up by the statistics from Tavistock and Portman which are shown within the Sky article

The conclusions you are reaching are not justified on the basis of the information, it is woefully insufficient for that.

and the "anecdotes" from those three schools whilst you still somehow haven't shown a single article or mentioned a single "anecdote" to back up what you're saying which has lead me to believe that you have nothing true to back up your point which leads me to wonder 'why the hell is this continuing?'

You are making the claims, so why do I need to give you data to destroy points that you are not even making correctly because the data you are using doesn't support said points? It's far easier, and much more effective, just to point out the ridiculousness of the conclusions that you are reaching on the basis of little data.

[Necroghastia]

That's not what the article says. It says that they see more patients than they did ten years ago, and more girls than they did ten years ago. We don't know anything more than that. Are all the girls they see transgender? We don't know. Does "girls" here mean kids AFAB? We don't know. Are there more transgender people in Britain now than ten years ago? We don't know. Why has this increase happened? We don't know. We only know that Tavistock and Portman see more patients in 2019 than in 2009, and more girls in 2019 than in 2009.

You have to stop making sweeping assumptions about British society based on these two numbers, it's ridiculous.

Yes we do, as it shows that the increase for girls in terms of percentage is higher than the total increase in terms of percentage, This shows that the number of female-to-male transgenders is growing at a faster rate than the number of male-to-female transgenders in total. So we can actually make something out of this other than "there's more transgenders nowadays".

what's a transgender

[Antarctic Swabia]

Why should they though. Also, you want people to be raised in gender neutral settings (and also don't believe in gender roles), but you also think that just because a boy likes to act like a girl sometimes, it makes him transgendered.

Got to love the contradictions

Vass is just using that to make a point.

If kids aren't/shouldn't be capable of deciding what their gender is, they should be raised gender-neutral until they're old enough to make that choice, no?

And how exactly would this look like?

[Ifreann]

That's not what the article says. It says that they see more patients than they did ten years ago, and more girls than they did ten years ago. We don't know anything more than that. Are all the girls they see transgender? We don't know. Does "girls" here mean kids AFAB? We don't know. Are there more transgender people in Britain now than ten years ago? We don't know. Why has this increase happened? We don't know. We only know that Tavistock and Portman see more patients in 2019 than in 2009, and more girls in 2019 than in 2009.

You have to stop making sweeping assumptions about British society based on these two numbers, it's ridiculous.

Yes we do, as it shows that the increase for girls in terms of percentage is higher than the total increase in terms of percentage,

Which doesn't tell us anything about wider British society.

This shows that the number of female-to-male transgenders

Are all the girls they see transgender? We don't know. Does "girls" here mean kids AFAB? We don't know.

is growing at a faster rate than the number of male-to-female transgenders in total.

Are all the patients they see transgender? We don't know.

So we can actually make something out of this other than "there's more transgenders nowadays".

No, you can't. These numbers are useless.

[Estanglia]

Vass is just using that to make a point.

If kids aren't/shouldn't be capable of deciding what their gender is, they should be raised gender-neutral until they're old enough to make that choice, no?

And how exactly would this look like?

Ask the person whose argument leads to that conclusion.

[Saiwania]

Ask any of these people https://news.sky.com/story/hundreds-of-young-trans-people-seeking-help-to-return-to-original-sex-11827740

This could be the proof everyone has been looking for and have long anticipated to give enough weight to the argument that perhaps there isn't as much to support transgenderism being a thing, as has been previously thought.

So far as this child currently liking to cross dress more, I don't care what he wants. I support his father if he is of like mind to me. Which is that if the child was born a male, that they should conform to a male gender, just as if they were born a woman, that they should conform to a female gender.

[The New California Republic]

Ask any of these people https://news.sky.com/story/hundreds-of-young-trans-people-seeking-help-to-return-to-original-sex-11827740

This could be the proof everyone has been looking for and have long anticipated to give enough weight to the argument that perhaps there isn't as much to support transgenderism being a thing, as has been previously thought.

It really isn't.

[Estanglia]

Ask any of these people https://news.sky.com/story/hundreds-of-young-trans-people-seeking-help-to-return-to-original-sex-11827740

This could be the proof everyone has been looking for and have long anticipated to give enough weight to the argument that perhaps there isn't as much to support transgenderism being a thing, as has been previously thought.

I would recommend reading the posts after that. It isn't.

[Vassenor]

This could be the proof everyone has been looking for and have long anticipated to give enough weight to the argument that perhaps there isn't as much to support transgenderism being a thing, as has been previously thought.

It really isn't.

But that goes against the narrative so it must be lies.

[SD_Film Artists]

I think the fact that NSG is out of character is exactly why the drinking age of Baranil's nation shouldn't be relevant. Unless I'm mistaken, Baranil never claimed to actually support those views.

Quite a few nations do reflect their owners, and tbqh that wouldn't be the most out-there view I've seen.

Yes, but it shouldn't be presumed that nations follow their owner's politics. I thought it was a fairly basic thing that nation roleplay and real politics are seperate.

[Salandriagado]

Yes, I do. It's a stress position.

No it's not. It's an Excercise.https://youtu.be/uco2g3YexwA

Certainly uncomfortable, but... Yeah. Not torture.

Yes, that's a stress position, and yes, it is abuse.

[Salandriagado]

Why do you assume that it would be equal?

Due to gender dysphoria not just existing for one gender, nor there being any logical reason as to why the female-to-male transition rate would be growing at a supersonic speed whilst the male-to-female transition rate is growing at a much more moderate speed.

There's also a female-to-male transgender in my Form, Maths, English and Literature classes who I am almost certain will regret their decision when they grow up as they had been confused about their sexuality and gender identity for years and yet one day, out of the blue decided to start transitioning yet still remains confused, makes next to no effort to look masculine and doesn't bother to correct people when they misgender them. They are one of eight people who were born female yet no longer identify that way who have attended my school during my time here whilst I know of one male who thought that he "might be a girl" for a few months before deciding that he was not.

I also have a close e-friend who has told me that there are ten female-to-male transgendered individuals at her school yet there are no male-to-female transgendered individuals at her school whilst my other close e-friend said that there are two transgendered individuals at his school and both of them are female-to-male.

Surely if in this day and age people who wanted to be the other gender were transitioning whilst people who did not truly want to transition did not then at least *one* of the twenty people who don't identify with their birth gender who attend(ed) one of our schools would be a male-to-female transgendered individual rather than having twenty people who were born female who do not identify that way?

And I know that these three schools that are outliers as the number of female-to-male transitions in the UK has increased 5,337% over the course of the past 10 years whilst the total number of transitions has only increased 1,063%. Whilst, for reference, if the number of transitioning individuals was equal 10 years ago, then the transitioning rate for females has grown at a 5.02x faster speed than the transitioning rate for males. (as under this assumption the transitioning rate for males would have only grown by 1,063%).

With all of this taken into account I can conclude that one of four things are the case:
1) There are far more females who wish to be males than males who wish to be females.
2) A lot of males who wish to be female are keeping it hidden secret.
3) A lot of females who transition to males are regretting it.
4) A mix of the above factors.
And unless 1 is the main factor, there is a major issue here.

5. There's some kind of structural factor that you don't understand.

[Salandriagado]

Ask any of these people https://news.sky.com/story/hundreds-of-young-trans-people-seeking-help-to-return-to-original-sex-11827740

This could be the proof everyone has been looking for and have long anticipated to give enough weight to the argument that perhaps there isn't as much to support transgenderism being a thing, as has been previously thought.

Want to try comparing the number of such people to the number of people who are forced into presenting as cis and regret that?

So far as this child currently liking to cross dress more, I don't care what he wants. I support his father if he is of like mind to me. Which is that if the child was born a male, that they should conform to a male gender, just as if they were born a woman, that they should conform to a female gender.

Yes, we know that you like to propagate disgusting bullshit, you don't need to keep telling us.

[True Refuge]

That's not what the article says. It says that they see more patients than they did ten years ago, and more girls than they did ten years ago. We don't know anything more than that. Are all the girls they see transgender? We don't know. Does "girls" here mean kids AFAB? We don't know. Are there more transgender people in Britain now than ten years ago? We don't know. Why has this increase happened? We don't know. We only know that Tavistock and Portman see more patients in 2019 than in 2009, and more girls in 2019 than in 2009.

You have to stop making sweeping assumptions about British society based on these two numbers, it's ridiculous.

Yes we do, as it shows that the increase for girls in terms of percentage is higher than the total increase in terms of percentage, This shows that the number of female-to-male transgenders is growing at a faster rate than the number of male-to-female transgenders in total. So we can actually make something out of this other than "there's more transgenders nowadays".

I strongly suggest you read the 2008 book Bad Science by Ben Goldacre. You’ll learn why reports that give little to no methodological information are worth nothing more than a “hmm, that’s interesting”.

[True Refuge]

No it's not. It's an Excercise.https://youtu.be/uco2g3YexwA

Certainly uncomfortable, but... Yeah. Not torture.

Yes, that's a stress position, and yes, it is abuse.

The distinction between exercise and abuse being the amount of time spent in the position and accomplish abuse. The father forced them to stay in the position for far longer than a usual exercise routine, and accompanied that with psychological abuse.

That’s why an exercise position becomes abuse in this case.

[Salandriagado]

Yes, that's a stress position, and yes, it is abuse.

The distinction between exercise and abuse being the amount of time spent in the position and accomplish abuse. The father forced them to stay in the position for far longer than a usual exercise routine, and accompanied that with psychological abuse.

That’s why an exercise position becomes abuse in this case.

The time, and the whole "being forced" thing.

[Ifreann]

Ask any of these people https://news.sky.com/story/hundreds-of-young-trans-people-seeking-help-to-return-to-original-sex-11827740

This could be the proof everyone has been looking for and have long anticipated to give enough weight to the argument that perhaps there isn't as much to support transgenderism being a thing, as has been previously thought.

So far as this child currently liking to cross dress more, I don't care what he wants. I support his father if he is of like mind to me. Which is that if the child was born a male, that they should conform to a male gender, just as if they were born a woman, that they should conform to a female gender.

There is currently no data to reflect the number who may be unhappy in their new gender or who may opt to detransition to their biological sex.

[New haven america]

I have a feeling that most of the people arguing against James being Luna in this thread forget what it's like to be a kid.

[Grenartia]

Well, maybe, but in the case of people like me, the answer to your original question is once. You can't assume everyone has the same knowledge as you, and has heard the same things you have

However, it is reasonable to get ticked off when the true information is easily findable and has been mentioned and ignored almost a dozen times in this thread.

Precisely this. Having to constantly repeat the same thing over and over again like a broken record is annoying.

[Page]

Because the transphobes keep drowning it in blatant lies.

Well, maybe, but in the case of people like me, the answer to your original question is once. You can't assume everyone has the same knowledge as you, and has heard the same things you have

I was transphobic up until I was 20 years old. I didn't think of myself as a bigot at all, I thought I was an extremely progressive and enlightened person. I wish I hadn't taken so long to shed the bigotry that had been instilled in me by family, media, and society. Maybe if more people were speaking out for transgender rights, I would have freed myself of my ignorance sooner.

But the thing is, even knowing how I used to be and understanding where transphobia comes from, there is a point where someone needs to be made aware that they're being an asshole. And at that point, some people will reevaluate themselves and others will dig in their heels because they can't stand to acknowledge they're not as good as they think they are.

There needs to be empathy but there also needs to be harsh criticism.

[West Leas Oros 2]

Well, maybe, but in the case of people like me, the answer to your original question is once. You can't assume everyone has the same knowledge as you, and has heard the same things you have

I was transphobic up until I was 20 years old. I didn't think of myself as a bigot at all, I thought I was an extremely progressive and enlightened person. I wish I hadn't taken so long to shed the bigotry that had been instilled in me by family, media, and society. Maybe if more people were speaking out for transgender rights, I would have freed myself of my ignorance sooner.

But the thing is, even knowing how I used to be and understanding where transphobia comes from, there is a point where someone needs to be made aware that they're being an asshole. And at that point, some people will reevaluate themselves and others will dig in their heels because they can't stand to acknowledge they're not as good as they think they are.

There needs to be empathy but there also needs to be harsh criticism.

I hear you. I've had my own problems, and i'd be interested to hear yours, if you don't mind at least.

[SD_Film Artists]

But the thing is, even knowing how I used to be and understanding where transphobia comes from, there is a point where someone needs to be made aware that they're being an asshole. And at that point, some people will reevaluate themselves and others will dig in their heels because they can't stand to acknowledge they're not as good as they think they are.

Where does transphobia come from?

[West Leas Oros 2]

But the thing is, even knowing how I used to be and understanding where transphobia comes from, there is a point where someone needs to be made aware that they're being an asshole. And at that point, some people will reevaluate themselves and others will dig in their heels because they can't stand to acknowledge they're not as good as they think they are.

Where does transphobia come from?

It comes from misunderstanding and ignorance. It's just another kind of divisive bullshit meant to tear us apart.

[The Emerald Legion]

Where does transphobia come from?

It comes from misunderstanding and ignorance. It's just another kind of divisive bullshit meant to tear us apart.

A more full explanation, if you don't mind.

[SD_Film Artists]

Where does transphobia come from?

It comes from misunderstanding and ignorance. It's just another kind of divisive bullshit meant to tear us apart.

I've seen autistic groups get torn apart due to an excessive focus on who is cis or trans, who is black or white rather than just caring about helping eachother as equals. Trans politics* can be just as divisive as transphobia. And by 'torn apart' I don't just mean "we're going to ban these obviously abusive transphobic people", I mean really going out of their way to catagorise and prioritise based on your background.

*not to be confused with trans individuals, who are no more divisive than cis individuals.