#protectjamesyounger

[Baranil]

No I am not. I am basing it off of the number of transgender individuals at the three schools, their genders and how the transition rate for females has grown far faster than the overall transition rate, which females contribute to. So stop with the false assumptions and start actually reading what I have said.

Your sample size is pathetically small, so much so that it is utterly statistically insignificant.

That's why I have also backed it up with how the article says that the number of female-to-male transgendered individuals is increasing quicker than the total number of transgendered individuals.

And besides, if the number of transgendered individuals was a 50/50 split for both genders then there would be a microscopic 0.00009536743% chance of all of the individuals being born the same gender under the assumption that there is a 50/50 split, which is not the case as a higher number of all-girls schools than all-boys schools and a higher number of teenage boys than teenage girls means that there are more people who were born male than born female at all of our schools, which makes that number even more unreasonably small.

[Ifreann]

Your sample size is pathetically small, so much so that it is utterly statistically insignificant.

That's why I have also backed it up with how the article says that the number of female-to-male transgendered individuals is increasing quicker than the total number of transgendered individuals.

It doesn't say that. I already explained to you that the number of people being referred to Tavistock and Portman does not represent the total number of transgender people in Britain. What do you not understand about this?

[Baranil]

Never said that. However, people who wish to transition will almost always have regret play a factor in their detransition due to young people making mistakes, and it being a long process to undo if you feel happier as your new gender and put all of that time and money in changing your gender. If pressure from certain people was as much of a factor in detransitioning as some people make it out to be then surely you would either ignore, report or respond to those remarks with nasty words of your own, or you could just flat out cut them out of your life.

Wild how you know so much about detransitioning when you have no data.

Almost like I'm talking about how the number of individuals who wish to detransition is going to grow as the number of transgendered individuals continues to grow. (Which I have shown Sky statistics and cases from 3 schools for).

You on the other hand, talk about how I need more statistics whilst showing none to back up what you are saying, which is pretty laughable if you ask me.

[Vassenor]

Wild how you know so much about detransitioning when you have no data.

Almost like I'm talking about how the number of individuals who wish to detransition is going to grow as the number of transgendered individuals continues to grow. (Which I have shown Sky statistics and cases from 3 schools for).

You on the other hand, talk about how I need more statistics whilst showing none to back up what you are saying, which is pretty laughable if you ask me.

Your statistics are largely anecdotes, not actual data. What's your research methodology?

[The New California Republic]

Your sample size is pathetically small, so much so that it is utterly statistically insignificant.

That's why I have also backed it up with how the article says that the number of female-to-male transgendered individuals is increasing quicker than the total number of transgendered individuals.

It doesn't say that. Come on man, you aren't fooling anyone here. Get better data on the subject, instead of a single article and anecdotes.

And besides, if the number of transgendered individuals was a 50/50 split for both genders then there would be a microscopic 0.00009536743% chance of all of the individuals being born the same gender under the assumption that there is a 50/50 split, which is not the case as a higher number of all-girls schools than all-boys schools and a higher number of teenage boys than teenage girls means that there are more people who were born male than born female at all of our schools, which makes that number even more unreasonably small.

What is any of this meant to prove? It looks like you are trying to manufacture some kind of point where there is none.

[Ifreann]

Wild how you know so much about detransitioning when you have no data.

Almost like I'm talking about how the number of individuals who wish to detransition is going to grow as the number of transgendered individuals continues to grow. (Which I have shown Sky statistics and cases from 3 schools for).

You haven't shown any statistics for that. The article you linked to said that there is no data.

You on the other hand, talk about how I need more statistics whilst showing none to back up what you are saying, which is pretty laughable if you ask me.

I don't need to show anything to back up saying that you a reasoning from no data when you yourself posted the article which says that there is no data.

[Baranil]

That's why I have also backed it up with how the article says that the number of female-to-male transgendered individuals is increasing quicker than the total number of transgendered individuals.

It doesn't say that. I already explained to you that the number of people being referred to Tavistock and Portman does not represent the total number of transgender people in Britain. What do you not understand about this?

No, what are YOU failing to understand? The chances of Tavistock and Portman getting a higher increase in female-to-male transgenders than national average and the chance of them getting a lower increase in female-to-male transgenders when no other statistics are available, meaning that these statistics are likely usable to paint the picture nationally, especially since it's highly likely that these statistics will differ massively from Foundation Trust to Foundation Trust.

[The New California Republic]

Wild how you know so much about detransitioning when you have no data.

Almost like I'm talking about how the number of individuals who wish to detransition is going to grow as the number of transgendered individuals continues to grow. (Which I have shown Sky statistics and cases from 3 schools for) a single article and a bunch of anecdotes for)

Fixed.

You on the other hand, talk about how I need more statistics whilst showing none to back up what you are saying, which is pretty laughable if you ask me.

Is Ifreann making really grand claims like you are? I certainly don't see them...

[Baranil]

Almost like I'm talking about how the number of individuals who wish to detransition is going to grow as the number of transgendered individuals continues to grow. (Which I have shown Sky statistics and cases from 3 schools for).

You haven't shown any statistics for that. The article you linked to said that there is no data.

You on the other hand, talk about how I need more statistics whilst showing none to back up what you are saying, which is pretty laughable if you ask me.

I don't need to show anything to back up saying that you a reasoning from no data when you yourself posted the article which says that there is no data.

Was referring to the latter of what I said there, and the article states a higher increase in female-to-male transitions than the percentage increase for both genders combined.

[Nagatar Karumuttu Chettiar]

This thread is astounding. That is a child. I thought I was a girl inside as a child for a few months stretch - and I grew up in India. I didn't even know transgenderism was a thing.

I shudder to think what would have happened if adults had taken me seriously. I am more than comfortable and very happy in my own body as a cis-male today.

Let the child age to adulthood - then it is his choice. But a child cannot make a true decision at that age. It may be right, and it may be wrong. It is too early to tell for James.

[The New California Republic]

It doesn't say that. I already explained to you that the number of people being referred to Tavistock and Portman does not represent the total number of transgender people in Britain. What do you not understand about this?

No, what are YOU failing to understand?

Ooft.

The chances of Tavistock and Portman getting a higher increase in female-to-male transgenders than national average and the chance of them getting a lower increase in female-to-male transgenders when no other statistics are available, meaning that these statistics are likely usable to paint the picture nationally, especially since it's highly likely that these statistics will differ massively from Foundation Trust to Foundation Trust.

You have no justification for that assertion, absolutely none. Outliers are a thing you know.

[Baranil]

Almost like I'm talking about how the number of individuals who wish to detransition is going to grow as the number of transgendered individuals continues to grow. (Which I have shown Sky statistics and cases from 3 schools for) a single article and a bunch of anecdotes for)

Fixed.

You on the other hand, talk about how I need more statistics whilst showing none to back up what you are saying, which is pretty laughable if you ask me.

Is Ifreann making really grand claims like you are? I certainly don't see them...

Christ. Are you illiterate? Have you read about what I've said about the three schools? I haven't just talked about the article, I've talked about that as well, which is another source of information that I have, which means that I have got two sources of information whilst your dream team still lacks a single one.

[The New California Republic]

Christ. Are you illiterate?

Tone that shite down boyo.

Have you read about what I've said about the three schools? I haven't just talked about the article, I've talked about that as well, which is another source of information that I have, which means that I have got two sources of information whilst your dream team still lacks a single one.

Those are anecdotes friendo, anecdotes, nothing more. So pretty much worthless.

[Vassenor]

This thread is astounding. That is a child. I thought I was a girl inside as a child for a few months stretch - and I grew up in India. I didn't even know transgenderism was a thing.

I shudder to think what would have happened if adults had taken me seriously. I am more than comfortable and very happy in my own body as a cis-male today.

Let the child age to adulthood - then it is his choice. But a child cannot make a true decision at that age. It may be right, and it may be wrong. It is too early to tell for James.

So raise every child in a gender-neutral manner if they're too young to make that decision.

[Baranil]

Christ. Are you illiterate?

Tone that shite down boyo.

Have you read about what I've said about the three schools? I haven't just talked about the article, I've talked about that as well, which is another source of information that I have, which means that I have got two sources of information whilst your dream team still lacks a single one.

Those are anecdotes friendo, anecdotes, nothing more. So pretty much worthless.

Listen, my information is backed up by the statistics from Tavistock and Portman which are shown within the Sky article and the "anecdotes" from those three schools whilst you still somehow haven't shown a single article or mentioned a single "anecdote" to back up what you're saying which has lead me to believe that you have nothing true to back up your point which leads me to wonder 'why the hell is this continuing?'

[Estanglia]

Kindly point out which of the changes above isn't a direct equivalence.

One goes against what the human body is naturally meant to do, whilst the other is the human body doing what it is meant to do.

And we also repeatedly do things that go against what the human body is naturally meant to do.

Take painkillers. Pain is a natural response, yet we have painkillers.

Wild how you know so much about detransitioning when you have no data.

Almost like I'm talking about how the number of individuals who wish to detransition is going to grow as the number of transgendered individuals continues to grow. (Which I have shown Sky statistics and cases from 3 schools for).

Well, yeah.

If more people drive, more people will die in car crashes. If you have a 1% chance of dying in a car crash, more people will die if there's 10 million drivers than if there's 1 million.

Nothing special about that.

And are you still using anecdotes? You do know why we discard them, right?

Fixed.


Is Ifreann making really grand claims like you are? I certainly don't see them...

Christ. Are you illiterate? Have you read about what I've said about the three schools? I haven't just talked about the article, I've talked about that as well, which is another source of information that I have, which means that I have got two sources of information whilst your dream team still lacks a single one.

They're anecdotes. Anecdotes are worth jack shit in terms of evidence.

[Ifreann]

It doesn't say that. I already explained to you that the number of people being referred to Tavistock and Portman does not represent the total number of transgender people in Britain. What do you not understand about this?

No, what are YOU failing to understand? The chances of Tavistock and Portman getting a higher increase in female-to-male transgenders

That's not what the article says. It says that they see more patients than they did ten years ago, and more girls than they did ten years ago. We don't know anything more than that. Are all the girls they see transgender? We don't know. Does "girls" here mean kids AFAB? We don't know. Are there more transgender people in Britain now than ten years ago? We don't know. Why has this increase happened? We don't know. We only know that Tavistock and Portman see more patients in 2019 than in 2009, and more girls in 2019 than in 2009.

You have to stop making sweeping assumptions about British society based on these two numbers, it's ridiculous.

[Estanglia]

Tone that shite down boyo.


Those are anecdotes friendo, anecdotes, nothing more. So pretty much worthless.

Listen, my information is backed up by the statistics from Tavistock and Portman which are shown within the Sky article and the "anecdotes" from those three schools whilst you still somehow haven't shown a single article or mentioned a single "anecdote" to back up what you're saying which has lead me to believe that you have nothing true to back up your point which leads me to wonder 'why the hell is this continuing?'

Your anecdotes are worthless. The fact that you continue to trot them out is telling.

[Necroghastia]

This thread is astounding. That is a child. I thought I was a girl inside as a child for a few months stretch - and I grew up in India. I didn't even know transgenderism was a thing.

I shudder to think what would have happened if adults had taken me seriously. I am more than comfortable and very happy in my own body as a cis-male today.

Let the child age to adulthood - then it is his choice. But a child cannot make a true decision at that age. It may be right, and it may be wrong. It is too early to tell for James.

Kids can't decide what clothes they like and what names they prefer? Since when?

[Antarctic Swabia]

This thread is astounding. That is a child. I thought I was a girl inside as a child for a few months stretch - and I grew up in India. I didn't even know transgenderism was a thing.

I shudder to think what would have happened if adults had taken me seriously. I am more than comfortable and very happy in my own body as a cis-male today.

Let the child age to adulthood - then it is his choice. But a child cannot make a true decision at that age. It may be right, and it may be wrong. It is too early to tell for James.

So raise every child in a gender-neutral manner if they're too young to make that decision.

Why should they though. Also, you want people to be raised in gender neutral settings (and also don't believe in gender roles), but you also think that just because a boy likes to act like a girl sometimes, it makes him transgendered.

Got to love the contradictions

[Estanglia]

I also feel like this is being ignored a bit too much.

[Ifreann]

You haven't shown any statistics for that. The article you linked to said that there is no data.


I don't need to show anything to back up saying that you a reasoning from no data when you yourself posted the article which says that there is no data.

Was referring to the latter of what I said there, and the article states a higher increase in female-to-male transitions than the percentage increase for both genders combined.

Do you even know what Tavistock and Portman does?

[Baranil]

No, what are YOU failing to understand? The chances of Tavistock and Portman getting a higher increase in female-to-male transgenders

That's not what the article says. It says that they see more patients than they did ten years ago, and more girls than they did ten years ago. We don't know anything more than that. Are all the girls they see transgender? We don't know. Does "girls" here mean kids AFAB? We don't know. Are there more transgender people in Britain now than ten years ago? We don't know. Why has this increase happened? We don't know. We only know that Tavistock and Portman see more patients in 2019 than in 2009, and more girls in 2019 than in 2009.

You have to stop making sweeping assumptions about British society based on these two numbers, it's ridiculous.

Yes we do, as it shows that the increase for girls in terms of percentage is higher than the total increase in terms of percentage, This shows that the number of female-to-male transgenders is growing at a faster rate than the number of male-to-female transgenders in total. So we can actually make something out of this other than "there's more transgenders nowadays".

[Estanglia]

So raise every child in a gender-neutral manner if they're too young to make that decision.

Why should they though. Also, you want people to be raised in gender neutral settings (and also don't believe in gender roles), but you also think that just because a boy likes to act like a girl sometimes, it makes him transgendered.

Got to love the contradictions

Vass is just using that to make a point.

If kids aren't/shouldn't be capable of deciding what their gender is, they should be raised gender-neutral until they're old enough to make that choice, no?

[Necroghastia]

I'm still wondering what that Sky article has to do with the topic.

So raise every child in a gender-neutral manner if they're too young to make that decision.

Why should they though. Also, you want people to be raised in gender neutral settings (and also don't believe in gender roles), but you also think that just because a boy likes to act like a girl sometimes, it makes him transgendered.

Got to love the contradictions

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