#protectjamesyounger

[Baranil]

Honestly transcisgenderism needs to be illegal for under 18s, 7 year olds don't know how much it will effect them and are easily influenced by those around them. With many people wishing to detransition and the suicide rate for trans people (who are unable to transition early) being as high as it is, there needs to be a lot of thought put into it if a person wants to go through cisgender pubertytransition, and people who haven't even got 2 digits in their age yet aren't capable of fully understanding the effects of normative pubertytransitioning and could possibly have been influenced by someone they trust whilst not knowing better.

If you really feel like you are a particularthe other gender then that's fine but people can regret not transitioning, and to try and minimise the amount of people who regret it a legal age needs to be put in place to stop too young people from going through with the process, I've seen 8hundreds of people who were born female no longercurrently identify as female at my high school during my time here and I'd be amazed if every single one of them truly felt that way and wished tono longer be female.

Kindly point out which of the changes above isn't a direct equivalence.

One goes against what the human body is naturally meant to do, whilst the other is the human body doing what it is meant to do.

[Farnhamia]

Rather peculiar you think minors shouldn't be allowed to decide the gender they feel to be but are perfectly fine getting drunk.

Weirdly enough, my nation, like many other people's nations on here, do not reflect my actual views.

Yes, well, everything in NSG is Out Of Character. Whether or not your nation reflects your actual views is irrelevant.

[Necroghastia]

Kindly point out which of the changes above isn't a direct equivalence.

One goes against what the human body is naturally meant to do, whilst the other is the human body doing what it is meant to do.

Who decides what it is "meant" to do? Why does that matter?

[Baranil]

Weirdly enough, my nation, like many other people's nations on here, do not reflect my actual views.

Yes, well, everything in NSG is Out Of Character. Whether or not your nation reflects your actual views is irrelevant.

The statement that I made was serious, whilst my signature is meant to be laughed at for how stupid it is. I do not believe that 13 year olds should be able to drink, nor do many people, so that is why Baranil is renowned for it, because it is a stupid law that it has.

[The Emerald Legion]

I'm trying to come to some explanation as to how relatively mild punishments by the standards I grew up with are somehow considered sufficient abuse to commit suicide over.

You having been abused does not invalidate other people's abuse.

The answer is either the girls are crazy, they're conspiring, or the stated incidents were somehow worse than described in the court records.

Or, you know, people are different. Quit the fucking victim blaming bullshit.

No. If you're literally so weak that the mildest of offenses can cause you to kill yourself, you need to be in a padded cell for the safety of yourself and others.

And that's exactly my point. Those things aren't abuse. At all. They weren't abused at all just like I wasn't. They're... By the description the record offers, just melodramatic assholes. Not exactly a unique state for a teenager, but still. Blaming him for driving them to suicide loses a lot of its punch when the thing he did was just a basic grounding.

I mean jeeze. What did your parents do to punish you that this sounds like abuse? Only buy you one scoop of icecream rather than two?

[SD_Film Artists]

Weirdly enough, my nation, like many other people's nations on here, do not reflect my actual views.

Yes, well, everything in NSG is Out Of Character. Whether or not your nation reflects your actual views is irrelevant.

I think the fact that NSG is out of character is exactly why the drinking age of Baranil's nation shouldn't be relevant. Unless I'm mistaken, Baranil never claimed to actually support those views.

[Salandriagado]

Kindly point out which of the changes above isn't a direct equivalence.

One goes against what the human body is naturally meant to do, whilst the other is the human body doing what it is meant to do.

Things are not "naturally meant" to do anything. Nature gives no fucks. Your transphobic bullshit is summarily rejected. More specifically, you're sitting on a chair, typing on a keyboard. That's not, in any way that the term even makes sense, what your body is "naturally" meant to do.

[Necroghastia]

Yes, well, everything in NSG is Out Of Character. Whether or not your nation reflects your actual views is irrelevant.

I think the fact that NSG is out of character is exactly why the drinking age of Baranil's nation shouldn't be relevant. Unless I'm mistaken, Baranil never claimed to actually support those views.

Quite a few nations do reflect their owners, and tbqh that wouldn't be the most out-there view I've seen.

[Salandriagado]

You having been abused does not invalidate other people's abuse.



Or, you know, people are different. Quit the fucking victim blaming bullshit.

No. If you're literally so weak that the mildest of offenses can cause you to kill yourself, you need to be in a padded cell for the safety of yourself and others.

Quit the disgusting victim-blaming bullshit. People who describe physical abuse as "the mildest of offences" need to be in a cell of the non-padded kind.

And that's exactly my point. Those things aren't abuse. At all. They weren't abused at all just like I wasn't. They're... By the description the record offers, just melodramatic assholes. Not exactly a unique state for a teenager, but still. Blaming him for driving them to suicide loses a lot of its punch when the thing he did was just a basic grounding.

Physical abuse that's literally used as fucking torture is not "a basic grounding".

[Baranil]

One goes against what the human body is naturally meant to do, whilst the other is the human body doing what it is meant to do.

Things are not "naturally meant" to do anything. Nature gives no fucks. Your transphobic bullshit is summarily rejected. More specifically, you're sitting on a chair, typing on a keyboard. That's not, in any way that the term even makes sense, what your body is "naturally" meant to do.

Yes they are. The human body does not naturally change its gender, it needs surgery and hormones to do so. However, the human body naturally ages and goes through puberty, making it a natural process.

[Salandriagado]

Things are not "naturally meant" to do anything. Nature gives no fucks. Your transphobic bullshit is summarily rejected. More specifically, you're sitting on a chair, typing on a keyboard. That's not, in any way that the term even makes sense, what your body is "naturally" meant to do.

Yes they are. The human body does not naturally change its gender, it needs surgery and hormones to do so. However, the human body naturally ages and goes through puberty, making it a natural process.

The human body also "naturally" inevitably dies when it gets appendicitis. What's your point?

[Baranil]

Yes they are. The human body does not naturally change its gender, it needs surgery and hormones to do so. However, the human body naturally ages and goes through puberty, making it a natural process.

The human body also "naturally" inevitably dies when it gets appendicitis. What's your point?

Well... yeah. That's something that naturally happens. However, I fail to see the relevancy here as removing an operation to remove your appendix would save your life, whilst transitioning when deep down you don't want to will ruin your life.

[The Emerald Legion]

No. If you're literally so weak that the mildest of offenses can cause you to kill yourself, you need to be in a padded cell for the safety of yourself and others.

Quit the disgusting victim-blaming bullshit. People who describe physical abuse as "the mildest of offences" need to be in a cell of the non-padded kind.

And that's exactly my point. Those things aren't abuse. At all. They weren't abused at all just like I wasn't. They're... By the description the record offers, just melodramatic assholes. Not exactly a unique state for a teenager, but still. Blaming him for driving them to suicide loses a lot of its punch when the thing he did was just a basic grounding.

Physical abuse that's literally used as fucking torture is not "a basic grounding".

.... So you don't understand what a plank pushup is then. Got it.

[Necroghastia]

The human body also "naturally" inevitably dies when it gets appendicitis. What's your point?

Well... yeah. That's something that naturally happens. However, I fail to see the relevancy here as removing an operation to remove your appendix would save your life, whilst transitioning when deep down you don't want to will ruin your life.

And transitioning when you do want to? What is being proposed in this case that could possibly ruin this kid's life, other than the people clamoring for the child to be handed off to an abusive father?
Also could you reply to this post, pretty please?

Honestly transgenderism

What the fuck is "transgenderism"

needs to be illegal for under 18s,

Kids can't decide what clothes they like and what names they prefer?

7 year olds don't know how much it will effect them

Please, tell me what would affect them to begin with.

and are easily influenced by those around them.

Which, as has been established several times, is not the case here.

With many people wishing to detransition and the suicide rate for trans people being as high as it is,

Hoo hoo hoo, wonder why that is. Can't be transphobic dickwads all over society, no sirree, it's an inherent part of the transies!

there needs to be a lot of thought put into it if a person wants to transition, and people who haven't even got 2 digits in their age yet aren't capable of fully understanding the effects of transitioning and could possibly have been influenced by someone they trust whilst not knowing better.

See points 2-4.

If you really feel like you are the other gender then that's fine but people can regret transitioning, and to try and minimise the amount of people who regret it a legal age needs to be put in place to stop too young people from going through with the process,

What. Fucking. "Process?"

I've seen 8 people who were born female no longer identify at female at my high school during my time here and I'd be amazed if every single one of them truly felt that way and wished to no longer be female.

The plural of anecdote is not data, and in any case, good on them for trying to explore their gender identity.

[The New California Republic]

One goes against what the human body is naturally meant to do, whilst the other is the human body doing what it is meant to do.

What a weird point of difference to focus on, as in many situations the natural reaction of the human body is curtailed by our intervention, for example sickness and diarrhoea are just the "body doing what it is meant to do", but we intervene to stop that...

[The New California Republic]

The human body also "naturally" inevitably dies when it gets appendicitis. What's your point?

Well... yeah. That's something that naturally happens. However, I fail to see the relevancy here as removing an operation to remove your appendix would save your life, whilst transitioning when deep down you don't want to will ruin your life.

So why would someone proceed with it in that case? I really don't see what you are driving at here.

[Ifreann]

The human body also "naturally" inevitably dies when it gets appendicitis. What's your point?

Well... yeah. That's something that naturally happens. However, I fail to see the relevancy here as removing an operation to remove your appendix would save your life, whilst transitioning when deep down you don't want to will ruin your life.

I don't see how someone's life could possibly be ruined by wearing a dress and going by 'Luna' instead of 'James' at the age of seven.

[Baranil]

Well... yeah. That's something that naturally happens. However, I fail to see the relevancy here as removing an operation to remove your appendix would save your life, whilst transitioning when deep down you don't want to will ruin your life.

So why would someone proceed with it in that case? I really don't see what you are driving at here.

Ask any of these people https://news.sky.com/story/hundreds-of-young-trans-people-seeking-help-to-return-to-original-sex-11827740

[The New California Republic]

Well... yeah. That's something that naturally happens. However, I fail to see the relevancy here as removing an operation to remove your appendix would save your life, whilst transitioning when deep down you don't want to will ruin your life.

I don't see how someone's life could possibly be ruined by wearing a dress and going by 'Luna' instead of 'James' at the age of seven.

Like I said to him earlier:

What do you think is happening in this case? From the way that you are speaking it makes it sound like you think that surgery and hormone blockers are being considered at this stage. If you do think that, then you are sorely mistaken.

[The New California Republic]

So why would someone proceed with it in that case? I really don't see what you are driving at here.

Ask any of these people https://news.sky.com/story/hundreds-of-young-trans-people-seeking-help-to-return-to-original-sex-11827740

I don't see anything in that which says it "ruined their life". And I don't see how it is applicable to the case we are discussing here.

[Ifreann]

Ask any of these people https://news.sky.com/story/hundreds-of-young-trans-people-seeking-help-to-return-to-original-sex-11827740

I don't see anything in that which says it "ruined their life". And I don't see how it is applicable to the case we are discussing here.

There is currently no data to reflect the number who may be unhappy in their new gender or who may opt to detransition to their biological sex.

Extremely good reporting from Sky News here. We have no data, but we really feel like this is a big problem.

[Baranil]

Ask any of these people https://news.sky.com/story/hundreds-of-young-trans-people-seeking-help-to-return-to-original-sex-11827740

I don't see anything in that which says it "ruined their life". And I don't see how it is applicable to the case we are discussing here.

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You having a giggle? It shows people who have transitioned and regret it, it talks about how the current system of 'okay here's your hormones, here's your surgery, off you go' is not working as it does not offer the help that people truly need and instead of helping people understand what they truly feel, it's just "Wellll, you'd be better off as a boy".

A 3,200% increase in the number of referrals is neither a natural nor healthy number. And it gets even worse with females as there has been a 5,337% increase in the number of female-to-male transitions in my country of the UK in just the last 10 years, that should highlight a problem as nowhere near this many people 10 years ago felt like this or even this many boys! With the large amount of people regretting transitioning, and the sky-high suicide rate for transgenders, to carry on with the current way of dealing with things is complete and utter madness.

[Ifreann]

I don't see anything in that which says it "ruined their life". And I don't see how it is applicable to the case we are discussing here.

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You having a giggle? It shows people who have transitioned and regret it, it talks about how the current system of 'okay here's your hormones, here's your surgery, off you go' is not working as it does not offer the help that people truly need and instead of helping people understand what they truly feel, it's just "Wellll, you'd be better off as a boy".

A 3,200% increase in the number of referrals is neither a natural nor healthy number. And it gets even worse with females as there has been a 5,337% increase in the number of female-to-male transitions in my country of the UK in just the last 10 years, that should highlight a problem as nowhere near this many people 10 years ago felt like this or even this many boys! With the large amount of people regretting transitioning, and the sky-high suicide rate for transgenders, to carry on with the current way of dealing with things is complete and utter madness.

There is currently no data to reflect the number who may be unhappy in their new gender or who may opt to detransition to their biological sex.

[Gormwood]

I don't see anything in that which says it "ruined their life". And I don't see how it is applicable to the case we are discussing here.

There is currently no data to reflect the number who may be unhappy in their new gender or who may opt to detransition to their biological sex.

Extremely good reporting from Sky News here. We have no data, but we really feel like this is a big problem.

I don't know it for a fact... I just know it's true.
- Bill Maher

[Baranil]

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You having a giggle? It shows people who have transitioned and regret it, it talks about how the current system of 'okay here's your hormones, here's your surgery, off you go' is not working as it does not offer the help that people truly need and instead of helping people understand what they truly feel, it's just "Wellll, you'd be better off as a boy".

A 3,200% increase in the number of referrals is neither a natural nor healthy number. And it gets even worse with females as there has been a 5,337% increase in the number of female-to-male transitions in my country of the UK in just the last 10 years, that should highlight a problem as nowhere near this many people 10 years ago felt like this or even this many boys! With the large amount of people regretting transitioning, and the sky-high suicide rate for transgenders, to carry on with the current way of dealing with things is complete and utter madness.

There is currently no data to reflect the number who may be unhappy in their new gender or who may opt to detransition to their biological sex.

Yes, but we can safely assume due to those numbers, and with the 'hundreds' of people that Charlie has been into contact with who wish to detransition, that they exist and will become a growing group of people over the next ten years as the number of transgender people in the UK has grown extraordinarily over the past ten years.