#protectjamesyounger

[West Leas Oros 2]

And your sources?

Transcript of the trial and other court documents. Here's a taste, and a two-for-one:

From the testimony of the CPS investigator (p. 94 - 95):


p. 96


p. 98


From the testimony of the councellor for the child, questioned in court (page 118):

As you can see, the child tells professionals that they want to wear girl's clothes, and aren't forced to do so. The child also says they're afraid of their father.

the image link must be broken or something, because it's only coming up as placeholders.

[Gravlen]

Does your boy Jeff actually dispute any of the court's findings? I mean, I'm sure he thinks that his treatment of his children isn't abusive, but does he dispute the treatment they described?

He disputed the way they were described, and frankly the way they were described is bullshit. What is 'Many Many days? What are the dates these punishments began and ended? Is this something that's currently done? Or are they dredging up a half remembered incident from years past?' pushups are not in any way harmful as a punishment. And it's standard practice to take all the child's stuff out of their room when you're grounding them... Because why would you punish them by sticking them in a room with all their favorite things?

Like again, we are given no context whatsoever beyond vague descriptions of the punishments themselves. With no details as to the duration, or reason for them.

Without those clarifying details, those punishments fall well short of child abuse and the implication that they are frankly offends me, because I had most of those done to me as a child. They're basic punishments for kids who misbehave. They aren't harmful in the least. Now, if he were applying them too frequently, it could become abusive. But so does any punishment. And we're given no indication or inclination that isn't vague as hell and clearly meant to paint him in a bad light. Many days.... Does that mean two? Three? A week?

The undisputed conclusion of his behaviour, that one of the girls started to self-harm and the other planned suicide, shows your concerns are unfounded and misplaced.

[Gravlen]

Transcript of the trial and other court documents. Here's a taste, and a two-for-one:

From the testimony of the CPS investigator (p. 94 - 95):
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p. 96
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p. 98
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From the testimony of the councellor for the child, questioned in court (page 118):

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As you can see, the child tells professionals that they want to wear girl's clothes, and aren't forced to do so. The child also says they're afraid of their father.

the image link must be broken or something, because it's only coming up as placeholders.

Can you see them in this post?

Edit:
Here's the transcript. You can go to the pages I've mentioned, p. 94 - 95 and p. 118.

[West Leas Oros 2]

the image link must be broken or something, because it's only coming up as placeholders.

Can you see them in this post?

Nope, still broken.

[The Emerald Legion]

He disputed the way they were described, and frankly the way they were described is bullshit. What is 'Many Many days? What are the dates these punishments began and ended? Is this something that's currently done? Or are they dredging up a half remembered incident from years past?' pushups are not in any way harmful as a punishment. And it's standard practice to take all the child's stuff out of their room when you're grounding them... Because why would you punish them by sticking them in a room with all their favorite things?

Like again, we are given no context whatsoever beyond vague descriptions of the punishments themselves. With no details as to the duration, or reason for them.

Without those clarifying details, those punishments fall well short of child abuse and the implication that they are frankly offends me, because I had most of those done to me as a child. They're basic punishments for kids who misbehave. They aren't harmful in the least. Now, if he were applying them too frequently, it could become abusive. But so does any punishment. And we're given no indication or inclination that isn't vague as hell and clearly meant to paint him in a bad light. Many days.... Does that mean two? Three? A week?

The undisputed conclusion of his behaviour, that one of the girls started to self-harm and the other planned suicide, shows your concerns are unfounded and misplaced.

Are you perhaps related to Evil Knieval? Because that's quite a leap.

EDIT: In short it's testimony from the kid stating that the dad scares him because he called the police on the mom one time and won't let them wear girls clothes. And that the kid is comfortable in girls clothes.

Again. For every day with the father, the child has 6.5 with the mother. Who do you think has coached the child on what to say?

[Gravlen]

Can you see them in this post?

Nope, still broken.

Here's the transcript. You can go to the pages I listed.

[Gravlen]

The undisputed conclusion of his behaviour, that one of the girls started to self-harm and the other planned suicide, shows your concerns are unfounded and misplaced.

Are you perhaps related to Evil Knieval? Because that's quite a leap.

You don't have to be Evil Knieval (sic) to take a single step.

[West Leas Oros 2]

Nope, still broken.

Here's the transcript. You can go to the pages I listed.

Thanks.

[Ifreann]

The undisputed conclusion of his behaviour, that one of the girls started to self-harm and the other planned suicide, shows your concerns are unfounded and misplaced.

Are you perhaps related to Evil Knieval? Because that's quite a leap.

EDIT: In short it's testimony from the kid stating that the dad scares him because he called the police on the mom one time and won't let them wear girls clothes. And that the kid is comfortable in girls clothes.

Again. For every day with the father, the child has 6.5 with the mother. Who do you think has coached the child on what to say?

Probably no one.

[Gravlen]

EDIT: In short it's testimony from the kid stating that the dad scares him because he called the police on the mom one time and won't let them wear girls clothes. And that the kid is comfortable in girls clothes.

Exactly. Because he's comfortable in girls clothes and his father won't allow him to wear it at his home.

Again. For every day with the father, the child has 6.5 with the mother.

I see you agree that the father failed to follow up on his part of the original joint custody agreement.

Who do you think has coached the child on what to say?

I don't think anyone coached the child to say anything. Your baseless speculation is utterly unfounded.

[West Leas Oros 2]

Nope, still broken.

Here's the transcript. You can go to the pages I listed.

You bring up a lot of good points here, and i'm inclined to side with the court here. Still not sure if young children are fully cognizant of the impact this has on their lives, though. It seems to me though, that either way, the courts made the right choice.

[The New California Republic]

Come back to me when there are clinical studies that say that transrace is a thing that is recognised, and then we'll talk. For now I'll just throw this transphobic shite in the garbage.

I thought that self-determined identification is at the very heart of the trans movement. A neurologist could possibly notice that the trans person's brain is more conforming with their gender identity, but even that is not conclusive as there's no evidence that gender-leaning brains are exclusively a trans thing.
A psychologist could diagnose gender dysphoria but I thought that medical "gatekeeping" is something that is looked down upon by the trans community.

In conclusion, how can you say that self-identification is ok for one group but not the other? Isn't that hypocrisy?

Not really. I'm simply stating that it's a non-issue.

[The Emerald Legion]

Are you perhaps related to Evil Knieval? Because that's quite a leap.

You don't have to be Evil Knieval (sic) to take a single step.

It's not a single step. It's not even close.

Firstly, you have to establish that his behaviors were the sole motivational cause. Secondly you have to establish that the incidents weren't simply a means to an end (getting rid of a strict stepfather given the more lax mother.) Thirdly, you have to ensure they aren't predisposed to mental illness.

There are all kinds of scenarios in which teenagers self harm. Having to do pushups isn't typically considered a valid excuse to commit suicide despite the jokes of the out of shape.

[Ifreann]

Here's the transcript. You can go to the pages I listed.

You bring up a lot of good points here, and i'm inclined to side with the court here.

The court largely found in favour of the father, granting him a veto on any future therapy or treatment for Luna. Rather, the judge made that ruling, overriding the jury, who wanted to give sole custody to Luna's mother.

[West Leas Oros 2]

You bring up a lot of good points here, and i'm inclined to side with the court here.

The court largely found in favour of the father, granting him a veto on any future therapy or treatment for Luna. Rather, the judge made that ruling, overriding the jury, who wanted to give sole custody to Luna's mother.

Huh, I thought the judge sided with the jury. My mistake.

[Ifreann]

You don't have to be Evil Knieval (sic) to take a single step.

It's not a single step. It's not even close.

Firstly, you have to establish that his behaviors were the sole motivational cause. Secondly you have to establish that the incidents weren't simply a means to an end (getting rid of a strict stepfather given the more lax mother.) Thirdly, you have to ensure they aren't predisposed to mental illness.

There are all kinds of scenarios in which teenagers self harm. Having to do pushups isn't typically considered a valid excuse to commit suicide despite the jokes of the out of shape.

A valid excuse? The fuck does that mean?

[SD_Film Artists]

I thought that self-determined identification is at the very heart of the trans movement. A neurologist could possibly notice that the trans person's brain is more conforming with their gender identity, but even that is not conclusive as there's no evidence that gender-leaning brains are exclusively a trans thing.
A psychologist could diagnose gender dysphoria but I thought that medical "gatekeeping" is something that is looked down upon by the trans community.

In conclusion, how can you say that self-identification is ok for one group but not the other? Isn't that hypocrisy?

Not really. I'm simply stating that it's a non-issue.

You said that you'll talk to Risastorstein if there are studies on transrace. I thought that you would at least apply the same standards to both subjects. So, transrace can be justified by self-identification alone?

[Vassenor]

Not really. I'm simply stating that it's a non-issue.

You said that you'll talk to Risastorstein if there are studies on transrace. I thought that you would at least apply the same standards to both subjects. So, transrace can be justified by self-identification alone?

We're back to reductio ad absurdum again.

[Gravlen]

You don't have to be Evil Knieval (sic) to take a single step.

It's not a single step. It's not even close.

Firstly, you have to establish that his behaviors were the sole motivational cause. Secondly you have to establish that the incidents weren't simply a means to an end (getting rid of a strict stepfather given the more lax mother.) Thirdly, you have to ensure they aren't predisposed to mental illness.

There are all kinds of scenarios in which teenagers self harm. Having to do pushups isn't typically considered a valid excuse to commit suicide despite the jokes of the out of shape.

It's almost like we should get an independent magistrate to look at all the evidence presendted on both sides and form a conclusion - a set of facts, if you will. You know, someone who could examine all the details before making a determination?

[The Emerald Legion]

It's not a single step. It's not even close.

Firstly, you have to establish that his behaviors were the sole motivational cause. Secondly you have to establish that the incidents weren't simply a means to an end (getting rid of a strict stepfather given the more lax mother.) Thirdly, you have to ensure they aren't predisposed to mental illness.

There are all kinds of scenarios in which teenagers self harm. Having to do pushups isn't typically considered a valid excuse to commit suicide despite the jokes of the out of shape.

A valid excuse? The fuck does that mean?

What do you think it means? The girls are independent entities. They aren't just some robots that he flicked the 'self harm and suicide' switches on.

They chose those courses of action of their own free will. Is their reasoning sound? Was their situation really that intolerable? Or... Were they being overdramatic teenagers, or given neither appears to be permanently injured, were they attempting to drive a wedge between their mother and him so as to remove the stricter of the two guardians or lessen their punishments.

[West Leas Oros 2]

I think it's best we leave the child with his mother, and wait until they're fully capable of understanding and consenting. I'm certain someone will disagree, but this seems like a logical option.

[SD_Film Artists]

You said that you'll talk to Risastorstein if there are studies on transrace. I thought that you would at least apply the same standards to both subjects. So, transrace can be justified by self-identification alone?

We're back to reductio ad absurdum again.

We're back to dodging questions again. I'm still waiting on you to designate a field for my alleged strawman. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you were busy with other things.

[Vassenor]

We're back to reductio ad absurdum again.

We're back to dodging questions again. I'm still waiting on you to designate a field for my alleged strawman. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you were busy with other things.

Asserting that if we accept transgender people we have to let people change their ethnicity is very much asserting that an absurd conclusion follows.

[West Leas Oros 2]

We're back to dodging questions again. I'm still waiting on you to designate a field for my alleged strawman. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you were busy with other things.

Asserting that if we accept transgender people we have to let people change their ethnicity is very much asserting that an absurd conclusion follows.

I don't quite see much a correlation between the two, and as an analogy, it's pretty dodgy.

[The New California Republic]

Not really. I'm simply stating that it's a non-issue.

You said that you'll talk to Risastorstein if there are studies on transrace. I thought that you would at least apply the same standards to both subjects. So, transrace can be justified by self-identification alone?

It's a non-issue though, as I have said.