#protectjamesyounger

[Vassenor]

So what peer reviewed research is she citing?

A medical study detailed in the report. It found that there may be a risk of increased suicide; however the study wasn't conclusive enough to prove that there are or aren't negative effects.

So why didn't you link the study then?

[Drongonia]

Because it hurts the feelings of conservatives if they can't try and beat this out of kids at a young age.

Haha rekt conservatards! Nevermind the mental health of the kids or anything, we scored political points so it's alright.

[NoAvailability]

...So... just cut one of the parents off then? How is this even an issue? Seems pretty simple to me.

[Washington Resistance Army]

A medical study detailed in the report. It found that there may be a risk of increased suicide; however the study wasn't conclusive enough to prove that there are or aren't negative effects.

So why didn't you link the study then?

Why didn't you bother clicking the link and just reading it instead of running on autopilot like you always do lol

[Vassenor]

Because it hurts the feelings of conservatives if they can't try and beat this out of kids at a young age.

Haha rekt conservatards! Nevermind the mental health of the kids or anything, we scored political points so it's alright.

Because forcing kids to go through the wrong puberty and forcibly denying their right to self identity totally isn't bad for their mental health at all.

[Neutraligon]

There is just no way that puberty blockers are 100% reversible in my mind. This is like saying that a male with for example, a long term sex addiction- can just break it and recover overnight and somehow reverse any excessive hair loss they've gotten as a result of too much testosterone being converted to DHT.

And you base the claim that it is not reversible on ...what exactly? Remember this is medicine. ow while using puberty blockers to prevent puberty for extended periods of time for trans individuals is off bottle use, and should indeed be studied, you would need to base your claim on something. Just so you know, puberty blockers existed long before it started being used for trans individuals, namely for those children who start puberty early (I believe before 9 is when they are used) Children are then taken off those blockers when most children start going through puberty.

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Also idk if this bit was mentioned anywhere else in the thread but apparently the Governor is having the AG and Family Services get involved in some way or another. So that's gonna be fun.

When Republican governors use their position to influence issues that are none of their business. Like how Jeb! Bush intervened to keep Terry Schaivo's corpse warm. Except this is much worse because Terri Schiavo was brain dead whereas this girl is having her life and identity interfered with by fanatics.

[Vassenor]

Clothing and name preferences are incomprehensible to kids? Since when?

Not as superficially as that, no, but the actual reality that entails. Living as a different gender and so on.

Why?

Because it's degenerate and unnatural even at an adult level, but even then it's their choice. As a kid, they shouldn't be allowed to take themselves down that path or be taken down it by a screwed up parent. Kids end up wanting to kill themselves after a year on puberty blockers for god's sake, and you're saying that's alright? Disgusting.

Lack of parental support for trans kids also makes them commit suicide, and you're saying that's alright? Disgusting.

[Gravlen]

Which page of the transcript did you find that on? I did not see it at all.

You wouldn't be making stuff up, would you? Or, rather, speaking while not knowing?

The Texan has been covering this whole thing pretty closely and that's what they've been reporting. Also apparently the kid liked Frozen and that was another "sign".

So you don't have a source, and you haven't read the transcript?

Because if you go to pages 19 - 22 they're talking about the toys the child played with (no mention of McDonalds). On pages 23 - 25 they're talking about going to a regularly scheduled 5-year checkup, where Dr. Pape gave the diagnosis of gender identity disorder in a pediatric patient. On page 27 the mother testifies about how she would like the child not to be transgender. On page 30 she testifies about refusing the child permission to wear a dress outside, despite the child asking for it. She testifies on page 39 that she's only wishes to follow the recommandations made by medical professionals at the Children's Medical Center.

Curiously, she doesn't mention McDonalds during cross examination either (starting on p. 54), so I still don't know where you got that idea from.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Also idk if this bit was mentioned anywhere else in the thread but apparently the Governor is having the AG and Family Services get involved in some way or another. So that's gonna be fun.

When Republican governors use their position to influence issues that are none of their business. Like how Jeb! Bush intervened to keep Terry Schaivo's corpse warm. Except this is much worse because Terri Schiavo was brain dead whereas this girl is having her life and identity interfered with by fanatics.

There's been a really bad trend lately of AG's getting involved with things that shouldn't involve them at all and I really hate it honestly.

[Necroghastia]

Clothing and name preferences are incomprehensible to kids? Since when?

Not as superficially as that, no, but the actual reality that entails. Living as a different gender and so on.

But they're living as their own gender...

Why?

Because it's degenerate and unnatural even at an adult level, but even then it's their choice. As a kid, they shouldn't be allowed to take themselves down that path or be taken down it by a screwed up parent. Kids end up wanting to kill themselves after a year on puberty blockers for god's sake, and you're saying that's alright? Disgusting.

What makes it degenerate? Unnatural? Why is something bad if it's unnatural? Did you even bother to read the source you cited, particularly the parts like this:

Because of flaws in how the study was set up, it is not possible to infer cause and effect or even to say whether rates of suicidal thoughts are higher or lower in this group than in children with gender dysphoria who don't take puberty blockers.

The study had no control group, of children not taking the drugs, to compare results with. In addition, the outcomes it was measuring were unclear.

Because it's full of things like that that call your conclusion into question.

[Drongonia]

Because forcing kids to go through the wrong puberty and forcibly denying their right to self identity totally isn't bad for their mental health at all.

Denying their right to self identity at the age of literal children is a good thing. Once they become an adult, they can be as trans as they want. I don't know how old you are but I'm beginning to suspect you're barely past the age of majority.

And no, administering puberty blockers that screw with the already very fragile mix of chemicals in a young person's brain is completely ridiculous. The British NHS even had to cover up the fact that kids who went on the puberty blocker programme wanted to kill themselves, so they could label the programme as a success.

So why didn't you link the study then?

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20646177

[Washington Resistance Army]

The Texan has been covering this whole thing pretty closely and that's what they've been reporting. Also apparently the kid liked Frozen and that was another "sign".

So you don't have a source, and you haven't read the transcript?

Because if you go to pages 19 - 22 they're talking about the toys the child played with (no mention of McDonalds). On pages 23 - 25 they're talking about going to a regularly scheduled 5-year checkup, where Dr. Pape gave the diagnosis of gender identity disorder in a pediatric patient. On page 27 the mother testifies about how she would like the child not to be transgender. On page 30 she testifies about refusing the child permission to wear a dress outside, despite the child asking for it. She testifies on page 39 that she's only wishes to follow the recommandations made by medical professionals at the Children's Medical Center.

Curiously, she doesn't mention McDonalds during cross examination either (starting on p. 54), so I still don't know where you got that idea from.

I told you where I got it from, that's what pretty much all the reporting says. Feel free to email everyone saying that's the case and show them they're wrong if so.

[Vassenor]

Because forcing kids to go through the wrong puberty and forcibly denying their right to self identity totally isn't bad for their mental health at all.

Denying their right to self identity at the age of literal children is a good thing. Once they become an adult, they can be as trans as they want. I don't know how old you are but I'm beginning to suspect you're barely past the age of majority.

And no, administering puberty blockers that screw with the already very fragile mix of chemicals in a young person's brain is completely ridiculous. The British NHS even had to cover up the fact that kids who went on the puberty blocker programme wanted to kill themselves, so they could label the programme as a success.

So why didn't you link the study then?

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20646177

Citing a newspaper that unironically called for the modern equivalent of forcing trans people to wear pink triangles. Cute.

[True Refuge]

Clothing and name preferences are incomprehensible to kids? Since when?

Not as superficially as that, no, but the actual reality that entails. Living as a different gender and so on.

Why?

Because it's degenerate and unnatural even at an adult level, but even then it's their choice. As a kid, they shouldn't be allowed to take themselves down that path or be taken down it by a screwed up parent. Kids end up wanting to kill themselves after a year on puberty blockers for god's sake, and you're saying that's alright? Disgusting.

“Degeneracy” means nothing outside of arbitrary bigotry. It’s not a valid label.

[Gravlen]

Also idk if this bit was mentioned anywhere else in the thread but apparently the Governor is having the AG and Family Services get involved in some way or another. So that's gonna be fun.

Yeah, great political posturing. The Child Protective Services have already looked into this case.

But considering that the judge complained about the father's misinformation campaign (and slapped him with a gag order until the child turns 18), it's no wonder why the Governor thinks this is a winning move in the ongoing "culture war".

[Gravlen]

So you don't have a source, and you haven't read the transcript?

Because if you go to pages 19 - 22 they're talking about the toys the child played with (no mention of McDonalds). On pages 23 - 25 they're talking about going to a regularly scheduled 5-year checkup, where Dr. Pape gave the diagnosis of gender identity disorder in a pediatric patient. On page 27 the mother testifies about how she would like the child not to be transgender. On page 30 she testifies about refusing the child permission to wear a dress outside, despite the child asking for it. She testifies on page 39 that she's only wishes to follow the recommandations made by medical professionals at the Children's Medical Center.

Curiously, she doesn't mention McDonalds during cross examination either (starting on p. 54), so I still don't know where you got that idea from.

I told you where I got it from, that's what pretty much all the reporting says. Feel free to email everyone saying that's the case and show them they're wrong if so.

I don't need to. I'm content showing that you are wrong and have no clue what you're talking about.

[Drongonia]

Citing a newspaper that unironically called for the modern equivalent of forcing trans people to wear pink triangles. Cute.

Okay fine, since you'd rather not read the article from that bigoted Telegraph, have some other sources:
Here's The Sun, or maybe that's too "right-wing" for you. How about the UK Times? Or even the British Medical Journal. All articles that call into question this disgusting use of puberty blockers on children.

Or, of course, you could go and find some picky little thing to make you disregard them.

[Vassenor]

Citing a newspaper that unironically called for the modern equivalent of forcing trans people to wear pink triangles. Cute.

Okay fine, since you'd rather not read the article from that bigoted Telegraph, have some other sources:
Here's The Sun, or maybe that's too "right-wing" for you. How about the UK Times? Or even the British Medical Journal. All articles that call into question this disgusting use of puberty blockers on children.

Or, of course, you could go and find some picky little thing to make you disregard them.

You mean like you've ignored the effect that lack of parental support has?

[NoAvailability]

So what's the issue then? If trans-children commit suicide more often, then that means that
1) A good amount of children are trans, making the radical left happy
2) A good amount of trans people die, making the radical right happy

Honestly, kinda sounds like a win-win to me, in a way. More trans people means more death of said trans people. One side likes trans people, the other side likes to watch them die. Everyone wins.

[Drongonia]

You mean like you've ignored the effect that lack of parental support has?

I don't like the source you gave me so I will disregard it instantly.

[Vassenor]

You mean like you've ignored the effect that lack of parental support has?

I don't like the source you gave me so I will disregard it instantly.

So you're being disingenuous for the sake of fake internet points.

[Washington Resistance Army]

I told you where I got it from, that's what pretty much all the reporting says. Feel free to email everyone saying that's the case and show them they're wrong if so.

I don't need to. I'm content showing that you are wrong and have no clue what you're talking about.

But surely if it means so much to you then you should endeavor to show everyone, yes?

[SD_Film Artists]

A medical study detailed in the report. It found that there may be a risk of increased suicide; however the study wasn't conclusive enough to prove that there are or aren't negative effects.

So why didn't you link the study then?

I did, albeit a report on the study rather than the complete medical journal.

[Necroghastia]

I'm still waiting for it to be explained to me why a kid shouldn't wear a dress if they wanna wear a dress.