#protectjamesyounger

[SD_Film Artists]

No evidence of the father doing those things

The court disagrees with you.

39) Respondent engaged in inappropriate and hurtful treatment of the Girls.
40) The Girls were good, sweet, hardworking well-mannered children.
41) Respondent forced the Girls to do plank push up for extended periods of time while reaing the "house rules" until the Girls cried.
42) Respondent would lock down the Girls* room and remove all their possession from their rooms and would not let them participate in family activities.
43) Respondent would put the Girls in "silent treatment" and they could not talk unless spoken to for many, many days.
44) Respondent's actions caused barm to the Girls.
45) One of the Girls developed a suicide plan
46) The other Girl was cutting herself.
47) Based in large part on his treatment of the Girls, Petitioner asked Respondent to move
out of the Petitioner's residence.
48) Both Girls improved after Respondent moved out of Petitioner's residence.
49) Respondent lied to the Petitioner about the Girls.

These are things which the court accepts or just listing claims made by the mother? If it's the former then I concede, he certainly is an abusive monster.

and again I was talking about the mother. Can we really say that her influence on the child had any less of an effect?

Obviously yes.

Because? She honestly had no part in the child's upbringing? It was all divine intervention?

[Internationalist Bastard]

So therefore we should all be on the dad's side because he's part of our "anti-trans" tribe?

> Mother provably unilaterally decided to transition a 3 year old.

> Agree that somehow she's totally mentally stable and not just saying shit to get her way.

Women allege abuse all the time in divorce court. She has more money and thus can pay off better witnesses. On top of existing bias that presumes all men are abusive time bombs waiting to happen.

Is it possible the dad is also abusive? Sure. It's possible. However it's not just possible but certain that the mother is. If there is proof beyond hearsay, then by all means. Remove the father from the picture. But in that case, they need to go to Foster care. Not the mother.

Oh for fu-- the father admitted he abused the child when interviewed by CPS

[Satuga]

They are and I see what argument you're trying to make, however the only difference is with no external influence(which includes diseases or infections) the body goes through the natural process of puberty and hormone release. I believe that is what most people mean by natural or at least my interpretation.

And people with schizophrenia overproduce Dopamine. Should we leave them to be “naturally” suffering?

Well first of all schizophrenia can be caused by both internal and external influences, and of course we should help people with these influences but technically it is in fact unnatural because even though it is for the betterment of the body it is still not "natural" as the responses the body "naturally" is what is causing the problem in the first place and thus needs an "unnatural" treatment. Of course you could make this argument for all medicine that is produced by the human mind and knowledge but personally at least I think it all depends on the circumstances. Almost like how providing anti-bodies is natural because the body does still in fact produce anti-bodies on it's own but may need assistance. Of-course im not a medical scientist so take my opinions with a grain of salt.

[Iciaros]

Sources: https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/break ... transition
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/mains ... lic-outcry
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/break ... l-tomorrow

All of your sources are the same website, Lifesitenews, which is an anti-LGBT hate site and conspiracy theory/fake news propagator; Lifesitenews has made up many false stories in the past for the purposes of pushing propaganda narratives, such as spuriously claiming that Canada had passed a law allowing parents to euthanize their disabled children or that tetanus vaccines were used to carry out mass sterilization in Kenya.

Obviously 7 is much too young for anyone to be undergoing gender transition therapy of any kind, but it's very unlikely things are going down as this fake news website reports.

I tend to agree, although puberty blockers not really being gender transition I don't see any reason not to use them, especially when you have an at-risk child. The source also mentions 'cross-sex hormones', but I don't know if they're referring to HRT or something else.

In any case, thanks for noting the biased nature of the source.

[Internationalist Bastard]

And people with schizophrenia overproduce Dopamine. Should we leave them to be “naturally” suffering?

Well first of all schizophrenia can be caused by both internal and external influences, and of course we should help people with these influences but technically it is in fact unnatural because even though it is for the betterment of the body it is still not "natural" as the responses the body "naturally" is what is causing the problem in the first place and thus needs an "unnatural" treatment. Of course you could make this argument for all medicine that is produced by the human mind and knowledge but personally at least I think it all depends on the circumstances. Almost like how providing anti-bodies is natural because the body does still in fact produce anti-bodies on it's own but may need assistance. Of-course im not a medical scientist so take my opinions with a grain of salt.

So if you support doing unnatural things for human health, why not support transitioning?

[Sao Nova Europa]

As a general principle, children shouldn't be transitioning. Adult (18+) should have that right and I do not really care what they do with their personal lives. However, children do not have the emotional capacity to make such decisions; there is a reason we do not let minors drive, vote, drink, etch. When they reach 18, they can decide to do whatever they please with their lives.

[The Emerald Legion]

> Mother provably unilaterally decided to transition a 3 year old.

> Agree that somehow she's totally mentally stable and not just saying shit to get her way.

Women allege abuse all the time in divorce court. She has more money and thus can pay off better witnesses. On top of existing bias that presumes all men are abusive time bombs waiting to happen.

Is it possible the dad is also abusive? Sure. It's possible. However it's not just possible but certain that the mother is. If there is proof beyond hearsay, then by all means. Remove the father from the picture. But in that case, they need to go to Foster care. Not the mother.

Oh for fu-- the father admitted he abused the child when interviewed by CPS

Source?

[Ifreann]

Why do you think that the mother is a brainwashing lunatic?

Clearly following recommendations of mental health professionals means you are a lunatic. I mean, they are mental health professionals!

People should definitely only be listening to sane health professionals.

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So therefore we should all be on the dad's side because he's part of our "anti-trans" tribe?

> Mother provably unilaterally decided to transition a 3 year old.

Did she? According to...?

[Internationalist Bastard]

Oh for fu-- the father admitted he abused the child when interviewed by CPS

Source?

It's literally poseted earlier in the thread

[The Emerald Legion]

Source?

It's literally poseted earlier in the thread

Are you talking about Mettatons image?

[SD_Film Artists]

Did she? According to...?

It's ok, the 3 yr old got the advice from a self-perpetuating political group on Facebook as well as his mother who didn't have any agenda at all. He was well-informed.

[Ifreann]

Source?

It's literally poseted earlier in the thread

TEL doesn't trust the courts. They can be wrong. Which raises questions about the presumably infallible source of his information.

[Earthbound Immortal Squad]

My guess is that a child doesn't have the intelligence at the age of 3 to contemplate the possibility of changing gender which leads to the obvious conclusion that the mother is forcing it upon the child which is no better than a child being told their whole life to hate a person or group of people. Even at the age of 7 a child shouldn't be considering things like transitioning. Something is very wrong and twisted here and I feel very sorry for the child.

Your guess isn't a very compelling argument.

It is because a three year old's brain is no where near developed enough to make any decisions of the magnitude of changing ones identity. So it is cut indoctrination. If you wanted for whatever reason to control someone else you would most likely do it when they are young as the brain is more susceptible to ideas. That's science not theory.

[South Reinkalistan]

I mean, I understand the situation of a lot of trans people and children, etc - I might not agree with these identifications, but it's not for me to force my ideas and views onto you, is it?

That being said, I think we should be a bit cautious when approaching the subject of trans children. I know the ruling said they can be changed, but at the same time I really don't agree with the idea that this child is going to be put under puberty blockers. Come on. How do we truly know the mind of this child? What they're thinking. I do believe that both the mother and the father are guilty of trying to force their views upon this poor kid, but nonetheless, let's just wait until they're AT MINIMUM 16 (consenting age) before moving forward with this.

[Iciaros]

I mean, I understand the situation of a lot of trans people and children, etc - I might not agree with these identifications, but it's not for me to force my ideas and views onto you, is it?

That being said, I think we should be a bit cautious when approaching the subject of trans children. I know the ruling said they can be changed, but at the same time I really don't agree with the idea that this child is going to be put under puberty blockers. Come on. How do we truly know the mind of this child? What they're thinking. I do believe that both the mother and the father are guilty of trying to force their views upon this poor kid, but nonetheless, let's just wait until they're AT MINIMUM 16 (consenting age) before moving forward with this.

You mean... wait until after puberty? To give them puberty blockers?

As I understand it puberty blockers are just pause buttons; they delay the onset long enough to give the patient an opportunity to make an informed choice at a mature age.

[Ifreann]

Did she? According to...?

It's ok, the 3 yr old got the advice from a self-perpetuating political group on Facebook as well as his mother who didn't have any agenda at all. He was well-informed.

Doesn't answer my question.

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I mean, I understand the situation of a lot of trans people and children, etc - I might not agree with these identifications, but it's not for me to force my ideas and views onto you, is it?

That being said, I think we should be a bit cautious when approaching the subject of trans children. I know the ruling said they can be changed, but at the same time I really don't agree with the idea that this child is going to be put under puberty blockers. Come on. How do we truly know the mind of this child? What they're thinking. I do believe that both the mother and the father are guilty of trying to force their views upon this poor kid, but nonetheless, let's just wait until they're AT MINIMUM 16 (consenting age) before moving forward with this.

Luna is seven years old. Why would she be given puberty blockers? She's not going through puberty, there's nothing to block.

[The Emerald Legion]

It's literally poseted earlier in the thread

TEL doesn't trust the courts. They can be wrong. Which raises questions about the presumably infallible source of his information.

> Courts are routinely unjust to father's.

> Mother's entire testimony appears to be unprovable character assassination that would nonetheless be believed based on stereotypes.

> IB alleges that he admitted to said charges that would otherwise be very difficult to prove.

Is it wrong to want to see this confession?

[Satuga]

So if you support doing unnatural things for human health, why not support transitioning?

I never said I didn't support transitioning I said I think children should wait until they are mentally capable of making such a decision to make the decision to transition.

[Gravlen]

The court disagrees with you.

39) Respondent engaged in inappropriate and hurtful treatment of the Girls.
40) The Girls were good, sweet, hardworking well-mannered children.
41) Respondent forced the Girls to do plank push up for extended periods of time while reaing the "house rules" until the Girls cried.
42) Respondent would lock down the Girls* room and remove all their possession from their rooms and would not let them participate in family activities.
43) Respondent would put the Girls in "silent treatment" and they could not talk unless spoken to for many, many days.
44) Respondent's actions caused barm to the Girls.
45) One of the Girls developed a suicide plan
46) The other Girl was cutting herself.
47) Based in large part on his treatment of the Girls, Petitioner asked Respondent to move
out of the Petitioner's residence.
48) Both Girls improved after Respondent moved out of Petitioner's residence.
49) Respondent lied to the Petitioner about the Girls.

These are things which the court accepts or just listing claims made by the mother? If it's the former then I concede, he certainly is an abusive monster.

These are facts established by the court, not simply the claims made. These are the grounds the court built their previous judgement on.

Obviously yes.

Because? She honestly had no part in the child's upbringing? It was all divine intervention?

She didn't force her child to wear any particular clothing, and followed the recommendations of mental health professionals. There's no indication that she influenced the child to feel like a girl.

[South Reinkalistan]

You mean... wait until after puberty? To give them puberty blockers?

As I understand it puberty blockers are just pause buttons; they delay the onset long enough to give the patient an opportunity to make an informed choice at a mature age.

Sorry, I think I muddled my words a bit there.

I'm no expert on puberty blockers (so please bear with me here), but I'm just a teeny tiny bit sceptical of the effect delaying puberty like you say will have. I'm just saying that any social transitions should only be taken when the child is of a mature age. This Kid is very clearly being treated as a girl, but they act differently with each parent. This shows that they're very possibly not quite sure yet. People can make social and biological gender transitions when they want to at a mature age, is all I'm saying. I don't think it's a good idea, but heck, what do I know. They're adults now, they can make their own decisions. But children? Shouldn't we be a little more restraining?

[Page]

If only the "compassion" and "concern" some of you believe you have for this kid extended to all the transgender children who committed suicide because of parents who suppressed their child's gender identity.

[The Emerald Legion]

These are things which the court accepts or just listing claims made by the mother? If it's the former then I concede, he certainly is an abusive monster.

These are facts established by the court, not simply the claims made. These are the grounds the court built their previous judgement on.

Because? She honestly had no part in the child's upbringing? It was all divine intervention?

She didn't force her child to wear any particular clothing, and followed the recommendations of mental health professionals. There's no indication that she influenced the child to feel like a girl.

> No indication.

Pull the other one.

[Ifreann]

Your guess isn't a very compelling argument.

It is because a three year old's brain is no where near developed enough to make any decisions of the magnitude of changing ones identity. So it is cut indoctrination. If you wanted for whatever reason to control someone else you would most likely do it when they are young as the brain is more susceptible to ideas. That's science not theory.

You're just reiterating your guess.

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TEL doesn't trust the courts. They can be wrong. Which raises questions about the presumably infallible source of his information.

> Courts are routinely unjust to father's.

> Mother's entire testimony appears to be unprovable character assassination that would nonetheless be believed based on stereotypes.

> IB alleges that he admitted to said charges that would otherwise be very difficult to prove.

Is it wrong to want to see this confession?

While you wait for that, you can show us your infallible source showing that

> Mother provably unilaterally decided to transition a 3 year old.

[Gravlen]

These are facts established by the court, not simply the claims made. These are the grounds the court built their previous judgement on.


She didn't force her child to wear any particular clothing, and followed the recommendations of mental health professionals. There's no indication that she influenced the child to feel like a girl.

> No indication.

Pull the other one.

OK.

Done.

Same result.

[-Astoria]

Stop me if I'm incorrect here, but here's what I'm seeing:

• mum tells child that he's a girl for the past four years, and enrolls him at school under another name,
• now wants child to undergo transition
• father disagrees, citing in visits with child, "presents" as a boy, and not a girl
• paraphrase "it'd be against the child's will"
• mum now wants a set of restrictions against the father,
• keeping in mind that though said child's classmates see him as a girl (ditto for the restrooms), doesn't want to wear clothes.

Even though I can sort of see where the father's coming from here, wouldn't it be better to actually ask the child on what he (or she) may think?
It's all a little bit confusing, to be honest.

What source are you basing that timeline on?

The one that the OP supplied - again, may not be extremely accurate.