#protectjamesyounger

[Israeli Empiratic Commonwealth]

My points had the 3 year old saying that his mother says he is a girl. But no. That doesnt fit the narrative.

Your video was made by a man who the courts decided abused his child and has a long history of lying.

This was years before abuse for one.
And for two, he did not say it. He asked open ended questions. James said that mommy gets him dresses and hair clips and such.

[Necroghastia]

Please, all of you who are foaming at the mouth, tell me what damage is being done here. If the kid decides they're cis, hormone blockers can be stopped with no complications. If they're not, hormone blockers are undoubtedly helpful. What's the big fat fucking issue?

Well for one, no they cannot be stopped with no complications.
And two it is being drilled into this kids head, since the age of 3, that he is a girl.

lmao, what? Of course they can.
And from what I've read, the kid enjoys a feminine gender expression. That a parent does not force them into a box based on their bits is not "drilling into this kid's head."

[USS Monitor]

So what do you base this idea that the mother is influencing her on?

The language in the video of James @ 3 years old implies that his/her/their mother was the prime mover in encouraging the transition. IIRC James says that his mom is the person who put him in dresses, bought feminine products, and did the nail polish, which to me implies that the mom is more enthusiastic about it than he/she/they were (to clarify, I'm not saying it was an unwilling transition, but it's unclear if James actually endorses this and would endorse it in a few years).

This is why a neutral party like a social worker should check in periodically and talk to the kid privately to make sure they're not being forced into anything. But right now, it sounds like the kid doesn't mind the girly clothes or being called "Luna," so there's no immediate need to shut that down.

[Necroghastia]

Your video was made by a man who the courts decided abused his child and has a long history of lying.

This was years before abuse for one.
And for two, he did not say it. He asked open ended questions. James said that mommy gets him dresses and hair clips and such.

What, you expect a kid that age to buy their own clothes?

[Vassenor]

Your video was made by a man who the courts decided abused his child and has a long history of lying.

This was years before abuse for one.
And for two, he did not say it. He asked open ended questions. James said that mommy gets him dresses and hair clips and such.

So when did the abuse start, since apparently you know for definite?

[Gravlen]

The fuck do you think would be the point of giving puberty blockers to adults?

Like, do you even know what puberty is?

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Like I said, maybe you need to have a big think about your gender identity. If the slightest bit of support and approval is all that stands between you and living as a girl, then

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Oh no, she consulted with experts to help determine the best course of action for her child. That...terrible parent?

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Radical pro-trans Texan CPS. *nods*
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If it happens it'll be when Luna is over 18.

Actually, if I am not mistaken, it does not have to be over 18.

I think you are mistaken. According to the American College of Obstetrics and Gynecology, surgery should not be carried out on anyone below the age of majority (18 in Texas).

[Israeli Empiratic Commonwealth]

Your video was made by a man who the courts decided abused his child and has a long history of lying.

Transphobes siding with child abusers to "protect" trans children from their own identities is par de course, tbh.

"Child Abusers" Read my sig. BACA is biker's against child abuse. I think those who sexually abuse children should be executed and those who mentally or physically abuse them have the child taken out of their custody.

[Risastorstein]

It's not "common sense". It's ideology and it's empirically incorrect.

https://www.theatlantic.com/science/arc ... re/580366/

Congrats for being so averse to critical thought. It's doing wonders for your understanding of the world.

And it's also ideology to let kids do whatever they want to do such as transitioning.

[Estanglia]

Your video was made by a man who the courts decided abused his child and has a long history of lying.

This was years before abuse for one.
And for two, he did not say it. He asked open ended questions. James said that mommy gets him dresses and hair clips and such.

And his long history of lying totally had no effect on Luna.

Whatever happened to "kids don't have independent thoughts"?

[Israeli Empiratic Commonwealth]

Actually, if I am not mistaken, it does not have to be over 18.

I think you are mistaken. According to the American College of Obstetrics and Gynecology, surgery should not be carried out on anyone below the age of majority (18 in Texas).

In NY a 16 year old got it recently.

[Vassenor]

It's not "common sense". It's ideology and it's empirically incorrect.

https://www.theatlantic.com/science/arc ... re/580366/

Congrats for being so averse to critical thought. It's doing wonders for your understanding of the world.

And it's also ideology to let kids do whatever they want to do such as transitioning.

As opposed to physically abusing your kids to conform to what you want.

[Juristonia]

Your video was made by a man who the courts decided abused his child and has a long history of lying.

This was years before abuse for one.

Prove this.

And for two, he did not say it. He asked open ended questions.

We have no idea what was said by the abusive father with a history of lying before the video.

James said that mommy gets him dresses and hair clips and such.

How terrible. The mother is supportive of her child's identity.

[Necroghastia]

It's not "common sense". It's ideology and it's empirically incorrect.

https://www.theatlantic.com/science/arc ... re/580366/

Congrats for being so averse to critical thought. It's doing wonders for your understanding of the world.

And it's also ideology to let kids do whatever they want to do such as transitioning.

Any sort of position on any issue is an ideology, sweetie. You're not making some groundbreaking proclamation here.

[Israeli Empiratic Commonwealth]

This was years before abuse for one.
And for two, he did not say it. He asked open ended questions. James said that mommy gets him dresses and hair clips and such.

And his long history of lying totally had no effect on Luna.

Whatever happened to "kids don't have independent thoughts"?

Fair point. But the father would have to find this stuff out. James told his father and his father had James repeat it. Maybe there was an exaggeration (probably not as the mother has fucking confirmed it) but the fact is, mother told son to be daughter.

[Cascadiuh]

The language in the video of James @ 3 years old implies that his/her/their mother was the prime mover in encouraging the transition. IIRC James says that his mom is the person who put him in dresses, bought feminine products, and did the nail polish, which to me implies that the mom is more enthusiastic about it than he/she/they were (to clarify, I'm not saying it was an unwilling transition, but it's unclear if James actually endorses this and would endorse it in a few years).

You mean the video shot by her father who as we've established has been abusing her over her identity?

Perhaps that video was coerced. But there isn't any solid evidence that it was. That's why this case is so difficult; as James behaves radically different when in his/her/their mom's 'sphere' versus his/her/their dad's 'sphere', and virtually all evidence has in some way been influenced in part by one of the parents, there is, to me, NO clear way forward in this case. The dad's testimony about James's identifying as male while in his presence, as well as the video, were all provided by him and could thus be tainted evidence. On the other hand, though, the mom's testimony about James identifying as female while in HER presence is tainted in a similar way - very young children often behave the way their parents want them to. To a lesser degree, what's happening at school may also not be representative of James's true feelings, as the mom clearly has more gravity over his/her/their life regularly. The mom's refusal to allow a second professional evaluation is also, from my point of view, unusual. I'm not claiming here that one or both parents are somehow abusing James to force him/her/them into a desired identity, but at this juncture I believe much of the evidence, which is >90% eyewitness testimony, is warped. Because of the tug-of-war game between the parents, we can't really see what James actually thinks, and therein lies the problem.

[Israeli Empiratic Commonwealth]

This was years before abuse for one.

Prove this.

And for two, he did not say it. He asked open ended questions.

We have no idea what was said by the abusive father with a history of lying before the video.

James said that mommy gets him dresses and hair clips and such.

How terrible. The mother is supportive of her child's identity.

3 years old.

[Juristonia]

Transphobes siding with child abusers to "protect" trans children from their own identities is par de course, tbh.

"Child Abusers" Read my sig. BACA is biker's against child abuse. I think those who sexually abuse children should be executed and those who mentally or physically abuse them have the child taken out of their custody.

Yet here you are, defending a man who the courts decided is an abusive parent.

[Gravlen]

The article cites a study on trans children. If you care at all about having an evidence-based discussion, you will read it. Otherwise, you deserve to be ignored.

My points had the 3 year old saying that his mother says he is a girl. But no. That doesnt fit the narrative.

The same child who repeatedly says they are afraid of their father, and repeatedly says it's their choice to be a girl and they feel abd about being forced to wear boy's clothes while at their father's? That kid?

[Juristonia]

Prove this.


We have no idea what was said by the abusive father with a history of lying before the video.


How terrible. The mother is supportive of her child's identity.

3 years old.

So you have no proof, no argument, nothing of value to add whatsoever.

[Vassenor]

Prove this.


We have no idea what was said by the abusive father with a history of lying before the video.


How terrible. The mother is supportive of her child's identity.

3 years old.

And what does that prove?

[Gagium]

"Child Abusers" Read my sig. BACA is biker's against child abuse. I think those who sexually abuse children should be executed and those who mentally or physically abuse them have the child taken out of their custody.

Yet here you are, defending a man who the courts decided is an abusive parent.

Guys, did you hear that? He's defending an ABUSIVE PARENT! Stone him!

[Estanglia]

And his long history of lying totally had no effect on Luna.

Whatever happened to "kids don't have independent thoughts"?

Fair point. But the father would have to find this stuff out. James told his father and his father had James repeat it. Maybe there was an exaggeration (probably not as the mother has fucking confirmed it) but the fact is, mother told son to be daughter.

Assumption.

How do you not know that the father found out through a third party then bullied his son into admitting a highly exaggerated form of events?

[Risastorstein]

As opposed to physically abusing your kids to conform to what you want.

Or you know tell them that some things are not appropriate in some situations. A toddler should not have such a control over other people such as changing its own name and pronoun.

[Agarntrop]

Wow. I think that changing a 7 year old's gender when they obviously aren't old enough to consent is wrong? How transphobic! You know, its ridiculous statements like that that give the LGBT rights movement a bad press.

Please read this.

It's not that the reason I think it's wrong for toddlers to change gender is that I think most kids that want to change gender will all suddenly stop that interest when they grow older, of course not. But you could repeat this study on several variables. For example, if a kid has a persistent and dedicated obsession with a certain interest, they have a higher chance of developing a high-paying job in that interest in the future. Does that mean that an 8 year old kid should get a high-paying job because they are obsessed with what that job involves? No.

[Necroghastia]

As opposed to physically abusing your kids to conform to what you want.

Or you know tell them that some things are not appropriate in some situations. A toddler should not have such a control over other people such as changing its own name and pronoun.

Why not?