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Postby Wallenburg » Thu Oct 24, 2019 1:18 pm

Agarntrop wrote:I might sound old-fashioned here, but I believe that no one under the age of consent should be allowed to transition into the opposite sex as I believe that if they cannot consent to sexual acts they certainly cannot consent to/be forced into irreversible life-changing surgery.

No surgery is taking place.
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Agarntrop wrote:I might sound old-fashioned here, but I believe that no one under the age of consent should be allowed to transition into the opposite sex as I believe that if they cannot consent to sexual acts they certainly cannot consent to/be forced into irreversible life-changing surgery.

Trans children don't undergo surgery. Transition for trans children is wholly social, not medical.

If y'all can't be bothered to look such basic shit up, what makes you think you are qualified to share an opinion on it? Just old fashioned arrogance?
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Israeli Empiratic Commonwealth wrote:I mean. Putting foreign chemicals into a childs body is exactly what he said, and the mother said herself that it is planned soooo


So you're against giving any sort of medication to children then? Since that's also "putting foreign chemicals into a child's body".

That is a political fringe that I have been looking at actually (even though ironically I'd be dead without the meds I'm on)
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Postby The New California Republic » Thu Oct 24, 2019 1:19 pm

Israeli Empiratic Commonwealth wrote:
Marxist Germany wrote:You seem to have completely glossed over this.

Holy hell shit I did not see that wtf is wrong with that woman. She is like a radical feminist on crack. "Monsters only eat boys" what the actual fuck???

The father has been shown to have a very extensive history of lying.
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Postby Liriena » Thu Oct 24, 2019 1:19 pm

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Agarntrop wrote:I might sound old-fashioned here, but I believe that no one under the age of consent should be allowed to transition into the opposite sex as I believe that if they cannot consent to sexual acts they certainly cannot consent to/be forced into irreversible life-changing surgery.


You are a truscum! /s

And so the anti-trans discourse continues to decay into increasingly idiotic strawmen.

Your ideology is a dead weight.
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Postby Vassenor » Thu Oct 24, 2019 1:20 pm

The New California Republic wrote:
Israeli Empiratic Commonwealth wrote:Holy hell shit I did not see that wtf is wrong with that woman. She is like a radical feminist on crack. "Monsters only eat boys" what the actual fuck???

The father has been shown to have a very extensive history of lying.


But it fits the narrative so it must be true. :roll:
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Postby Agarntrop » Thu Oct 24, 2019 1:20 pm

Wallenburg wrote:
Agarntrop wrote:I might sound old-fashioned here, but I believe that no one under the age of consent should be allowed to transition into the opposite sex as I believe that if they cannot consent to sexual acts they certainly cannot consent to/be forced into irreversible life-changing surgery.

No surgery is taking place.

Well, it's still a very momentous decision that I believe should be left to the child when he is old enough to consent to it.
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Postby Israeli Empiratic Commonwealth » Thu Oct 24, 2019 1:21 pm

Marxist Germany wrote:
Wallenburg wrote:Ah, so you're just going to straight up lie. Cool.

You seem to have completely glossed over this.

Also, "Ms. Georgulas has effectively been granted authority to move forward with puberty blockers, which can cause chemical castration, and, potentially, hormones, if she so chooses."
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Postby Estanglia » Thu Oct 24, 2019 1:21 pm

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Estanglia wrote:
>Daily Wire
>Taken by the father, a totally neutral party in this situation with totally no motive to manipulate the story or anything

Try again?

All evidence so far is hearsay so I find nothing wrong with this. And I trust the DailyWire more than whatever CNN or BBC bs you watch.


Nice that you trust them. Unfortunately, I don't.

But, regardless, point two still stands. What reason do I have to trust a biased party in this situation?
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Postby Cascadiuh » Thu Oct 24, 2019 1:21 pm

I just read this story and it seems incredibly confusing to me, mostly because all of the sources I've seen are partisan. Can anyone provide a summary of what's actually happening here? From how I see it now, both sides are in the wrong - the kid should be allowed to choose his/her/their gender, and I strongly believe neither the father nor the mother should be excessively influencing him/her/them (it seems to me that the mother and to a lesser degree the father are trying to influence the kid's behavior, and that's not appropriate given the malleability of 7 year old minds). However, I don't think trans kids need to be 18 to 'consent' to this - transitioning should be able to start at any age.
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Postby Gravlen » Thu Oct 24, 2019 1:22 pm

Risastorstein wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Reality is not based on what you consider to be possible or plausible.


Ah yes, reality is based on what a 5 or 7 year old thinks and tha agenda some LGBT activists push. James didn't seem to have the desire to be called Luna before meeting Rebekka Ouer.

Nope. The child had started asking to be called Luna many months before meeting Ouer. (Page 24)

She got the "gender identity disorder in a pediatric patient" diagnosis from Dr. Pape first, and she was then referred to the Children's Medical Center. She then went on to contact GENECIS who recommended seeing Ouer.
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Postby Israeli Empiratic Commonwealth » Thu Oct 24, 2019 1:22 pm

The New California Republic wrote:
Israeli Empiratic Commonwealth wrote:Holy hell shit I did not see that wtf is wrong with that woman. She is like a radical feminist on crack. "Monsters only eat boys" what the actual fuck???

The father has been shown to have a very extensive history of lying.

3 year old=father apparently
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Postby Vassenor » Thu Oct 24, 2019 1:23 pm

Cascadiuh wrote:I just read this story and it seems incredibly confusing to me, mostly because all of the sources I've seen are partisan. Can anyone provide a summary of what's actually happening here? From how I see it now, both sides are in the wrong - the kid should be allowed to choose his/her/their gender, and I strongly believe neither the father nor the mother should be excessively influencing him/her/them (it seems to me that the mother and to a lesser degree the father are trying to influence the kid's behavior, and that's not appropriate given the malleability of 7 year old minds).


So what do you base this idea that the mother is influencing her on?
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Postby Tabor Horeb » Thu Oct 24, 2019 1:23 pm

Gravlen wrote:
Tabor Horeb wrote:Okay I'll bite - what did the father do?

He abused their daughters so badly one started cutting herself (self-harm) and the other planned suicide.

Tabor Horeb wrote:IF he did abuse his son that's bad, but very little comes close to making your son a chemical castrato, which the mother intends.

Nope.

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In regards to his daughters - yes, I have seen that now. Bad. Hopefully there are other family members to provide for them.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news ... alled-luna

"Georgulas has additionally secured a letter of recommendation for transition for James from a woman associated with a gay children's therapy center. "This is a letter of recommendation that my client, James Younger, aka Luna, begin the process of becoming a patient of the GENECIS clinic so that she can receive a full psychological assessment for gender dysphoria and potentially take hormone blockers," said a letter from Rebekka Ouer from Dallas Rainbow Therapy."

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Postby Agarntrop » Thu Oct 24, 2019 1:23 pm

Liriena wrote:
Agarntrop wrote:I might sound old-fashioned here, but I believe that no one under the age of consent should be allowed to transition into the opposite sex as I believe that if they cannot consent to sexual acts they certainly cannot consent to/be forced into irreversible life-changing surgery.

Trans children don't undergo surgery. Transition for trans children is wholly social, not medical.

If y'all can't be bothered to look such basic shit up, what makes you think you are qualified to share an opinion on it? Just old fashioned arrogance?

Wow. I think that changing a 7 year old's gender when they obviously aren't old enough to consent is wrong? How transphobic! You know, its ridiculous statements like that that give the LGBT rights movement a bad press.
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Postby Wallenburg » Thu Oct 24, 2019 1:24 pm

Agarntrop wrote:
Wallenburg wrote:No surgery is taking place.

Well, it's still a very momentous decision that I believe should be left to the child when he is old enough to consent to it.

It is being left to when she is older. This is a nothingburger.
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Postby Liriena » Thu Oct 24, 2019 1:24 pm

I'm adding this thread to the pile of reasons why this forum is hot garbage. OP presents juicy reactionary outrage fuel filled with lies and unreliable sources, and a never ending stream of users just take it all at face value, with not even an ounce of curiosity to maybe fact check this, to maybe do a bit of research. Just pure ideology breeding more ideology.
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Postby Vassenor » Thu Oct 24, 2019 1:24 pm

Israeli Empiratic Commonwealth wrote:

3 year old=father apparently


Only because you refuse to admit that he might have forced her to say that.
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Postby Ifreann » Thu Oct 24, 2019 1:24 pm

Israeli Empiratic Commonwealth wrote:
Ifreann wrote:If it happens it'll be when Luna is over 18.

Actually, if I am not mistaken, it does not have to be over 18.

It won't be until she's over 18.


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Ifreann wrote:The fuck do you think would be the point of giving puberty blockers to adults?

Like, do you even know what puberty is?


Nobody should have puberty blockers. Why pushing the idea that his body needs to be artificially modified for him to be happy? Doesn't sound very body positive.

Why are you so opposed to people changing their bodies? Do you freak out when you hear about people trying to lose weight or planning to get a piercing?

And what about the social transition pushed by a LGBT activist "counselor" for a freaking 7 year old. From what I've read, she's the one pushing for calling him Luna in the first place and "him being treated like a girl".

What about it?


Marxist Germany wrote:
Ifreann wrote:The fuck do you think would be the point of giving puberty blockers to adults?

Like, do you even know what puberty is?

Puberty should solve most gender dysphoria problems, the mother is forcing James into a miserable life.

I doubt it.


The Emerald Legion wrote:As an aside. The counseling they went to is literally called Dallas Rainbow Counseling.

Definitely a respectable and neutral institution that totally won't take advantage of the situation at all and won't push the child towards considering themselves Trans...

Probably more neutral than Jeffrey Younger's blog.
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Postby Estanglia » Thu Oct 24, 2019 1:24 pm

Israeli Empiratic Commonwealth wrote:

3 year old=father apparently


3 year old = totally immune to the father's bias apparently.

You said it yourself that people under 18 don't have independent thoughts.
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Postby Wallenburg » Thu Oct 24, 2019 1:25 pm

Israeli Empiratic Commonwealth wrote:
Marxist Germany wrote:You seem to have completely glossed over this.

Also, "Ms. Georgulas has effectively been granted authority to move forward with puberty blockers, which can cause chemical castration, and, potentially, hormones, if she so chooses."
and
https://youtu.be/hF0ZLd_3PMc

Hormone blockers do not have that effect. Whoever wrote that doesn't understand medicine.
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Postby The New California Republic » Thu Oct 24, 2019 1:25 pm

Israeli Empiratic Commonwealth wrote:

3 year old=father apparently

The Texas father also claimed that his ex-wife “was putting my son into time-outs and she would lock him in his room and say that monsters only eat boys.”

Try reading the article. :)
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Postby Israeli Empiratic Commonwealth » Thu Oct 24, 2019 1:25 pm

Cascadiuh wrote:I just read this story and it seems incredibly confusing to me, mostly because all of the sources I've seen are partisan. Can anyone provide a summary of what's actually happening here? From how I see it now, both sides are in the wrong - the kid should be allowed to choose his/her/their gender, and I strongly believe neither the father nor the mother should be excessively influencing him/her/them (it seems to me that the mother and to a lesser degree the father are trying to influence the kid's behavior, and that's not appropriate given the malleability of 7 year old minds). However, I don't think trans kids need to be 18 to 'consent' to this - transitioning should be able to start at any age.

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Boy from 3 years old wants to be girl. Mother supports this and is allowing him to be a girl named Luna. Father does not support this.
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Postby Liriena » Thu Oct 24, 2019 1:25 pm

Agarntrop wrote:
Liriena wrote:Trans children don't undergo surgery. Transition for trans children is wholly social, not medical.

If y'all can't be bothered to look such basic shit up, what makes you think you are qualified to share an opinion on it? Just old fashioned arrogance?

Wow. I think that changing a 7 year old's gender when they obviously aren't old enough to consent is wrong? How transphobic! You know, its ridiculous statements like that that give the LGBT rights movement a bad press.

Please read this.
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Postby Risastorstein » Thu Oct 24, 2019 1:25 pm

Liriena wrote:
Risastorstein wrote:
You are a truscum! /s

And so the anti-trans discourse continues to decay into increasingly idiotic strawmen.

Your ideology is a dead weight.


Which ideology? That 3, 5 or 7 yo can't be transgender? I though it was common sense but I guess I'm not woke enough.

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