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Postby Vassenor » Thu Oct 24, 2019 12:44 pm

Risastorstein wrote:I have a hard time believing a 3 or 5 year old would be transgender.


Reality is not based on what you consider to be possible or plausible.
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Postby Israeli Empiratic Commonwealth » Thu Oct 24, 2019 12:44 pm

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Ifreann wrote:

The fuck do you think would be the point of giving puberty blockers to adults?

Like, do you even know what puberty is?
Puberty should solve most gender dysphoria problems, the mother is forcing James into a miserable life.

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If you look back what happened to me thats what happened. Also I have noticed you never see boys who think they are girls be given testosterone to counteract their dysphoria. Just a point.
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Postby Israeli Empiratic Commonwealth » Thu Oct 24, 2019 12:45 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Risastorstein wrote:I have a hard time believing a 3 or 5 year old would be transgender.


Reality is not based on what you consider to be possible or plausible.

doubt. If you do not have a functioning testes or ovaries then you cannot be said to be dysphoric because your current sex isnt even full yet.
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Postby Vassenor » Thu Oct 24, 2019 12:46 pm

So have we come up with a good explanation for why we shouldn't be giving blockers to everyone since logically if kids are too young to know if they're trans, they're too young to know if they're cis as well?
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Postby Estanglia » Thu Oct 24, 2019 12:46 pm

Israeli Empiratic Commonwealth wrote:
Marxist Germany wrote:The fuck do you think would be the point of giving puberty blockers to adults?

Like, do you even know what puberty is?
Puberty should solve most gender dysphoria problems, the mother is forcing James into a miserable life.

Yes. I like you for once, Germany.
If you look back what happened to me thats what happened. Also I have noticed you never see boys who think they are girls be given testosterone to counteract their dysphoria. Just a point.


Because that is not the identity they identify as?

That point is utterly ridiculous.
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Postby Marxist Germany » Thu Oct 24, 2019 12:47 pm

Vassenor wrote:So have we come up with a good explanation for why we shouldn't be giving blockers to everyone since logically if kids are too young to know if they're trans, they're too young to know if they're cis as well?

Difference is that everyone is considered cisgender until proven otherwise.
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Postby Risastorstein » Thu Oct 24, 2019 12:47 pm

Wallenburg wrote:
Risastorstein wrote:But the solution to a 7 yo liking dresses is obviously social transition.

I mean, when the kid strongly indicates they are a girl, trying regularly living as a girl in public is a rather reasonable method of determining whether this is the best option for the child.
That's the next logical step.

It isn't. Please read up on how transition actually works.


Liking dresses and Frozen isn't a proof of being a girl and he's living as "Luna" because it's pushed by Rebekka Ouer, his "LGBT counselor". The first advice I'd give to a kid or a family which kid is doing gender non-conforming is not social transition at 7. Isn't that common sense?

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Postby Israeli Empiratic Commonwealth » Thu Oct 24, 2019 12:49 pm

Vassenor wrote:So have we come up with a good explanation for why we shouldn't be giving blockers to everyone since logically if kids are too young to know if they're trans, they're too young to know if they're cis as well?

Yes actually! Look at you go Vassenor!
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Postby Vassenor » Thu Oct 24, 2019 12:49 pm

Risastorstein wrote:
Wallenburg wrote:I mean, when the kid strongly indicates they are a girl, trying regularly living as a girl in public is a rather reasonable method of determining whether this is the best option for the child.

It isn't. Please read up on how transition actually works.


Liking dresses and Frozen isn't a proof of being a girl and he's living as "Luna" because it's pushed by Rebekka Ouer, his "LGBT counselor". The first advice I'd give to a kid or a family which kid is doing gender non-conforming is not social transition at 7. Isn't that common sense?


Did you actually provide hard evidence for this pushing, or do you just think kids are too stupid to think for themselves unless they agree with you?
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Postby Liriena » Thu Oct 24, 2019 12:50 pm

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Postby Marxist Germany » Thu Oct 24, 2019 12:50 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Risastorstein wrote:
Liking dresses and Frozen isn't a proof of being a girl and he's living as "Luna" because it's pushed by Rebekka Ouer, his "LGBT counselor". The first advice I'd give to a kid or a family which kid is doing gender non-conforming is not social transition at 7. Isn't that common sense?


Did you actually provide hard evidence for this pushing, or do you just think kids are too stupid to think for themselves unless they agree with you?

Children are very vulnerable to whatever their parents tell them, tell a lie long enough and it becomes truth.
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Postby The Emerald Legion » Thu Oct 24, 2019 12:51 pm

Vassenor wrote:So have we come up with a good explanation for why we shouldn't be giving blockers to everyone since logically if kids are too young to know if they're trans, they're too young to know if they're cis as well?


Because the idea of Trans and Cis is nonsensical bullshit peddled by pseudoscientists and huxters?
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Postby Israeli Empiratic Commonwealth » Thu Oct 24, 2019 12:51 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Risastorstein wrote:
Liking dresses and Frozen isn't a proof of being a girl and he's living as "Luna" because it's pushed by Rebekka Ouer, his "LGBT counselor". The first advice I'd give to a kid or a family which kid is doing gender non-conforming is not social transition at 7. Isn't that common sense?


Did you actually provide hard evidence for this pushing, or do you just think kids are too stupid to think for themselves unless they agree with you?

Kids are too stupid to think for themselves period. Thats the point of the laws that say until you are 18 you have no citizenship rights. I have went down this path with my parents, until you are 18 your intelligence is minor.
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Postby Risastorstein » Thu Oct 24, 2019 12:51 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Risastorstein wrote:I have a hard time believing a 3 or 5 year old would be transgender.


Reality is not based on what you consider to be possible or plausible.


Ah yes, reality is based on what a 5 or 7 year old thinks and tha agenda some LGBT activists push. James didn't seem to have the desire to be called Luna before meeting Rebekka Ouer.

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Postby Liriena » Thu Oct 24, 2019 12:52 pm

Risastorstein wrote:I have a hard time believing a 3 or 5 year old would be transgender.

Well, maybe if you did some research...
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Postby Estanglia » Thu Oct 24, 2019 12:52 pm

Israeli Empiratic Commonwealth wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Did you actually provide hard evidence for this pushing, or do you just think kids are too stupid to think for themselves unless they agree with you?

Kids are too stupid to think for themselves period. Thats the point of the laws that say until you are 18 you have no citizenship rights. I have went down this path with my parents, until you are 18 your intelligence is minor.


So it's utterly impossible for anyone under the age of 18 to have their own thoughts, got it.
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Postby Necroghastia » Thu Oct 24, 2019 12:52 pm

Israeli Empiratic Commonwealth wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Did you actually provide hard evidence for this pushing, or do you just think kids are too stupid to think for themselves unless they agree with you?

Kids are too stupid to think for themselves period. Thats the point of the laws that say until you are 18 you have no citizenship rights. I have went down this path with my parents, until you are 18 your intelligence is minor.


Lmfao

No rights? Every kid has a nonexistent intelligence? Come on, at least try when you shitpost.
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Postby Estanglia » Thu Oct 24, 2019 12:53 pm

Risastorstein wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Reality is not based on what you consider to be possible or plausible.


Ah yes, reality is based on what a 5 or 7 year old thinks and tha agenda some LGBT activists push. James didn't seem to have the desire to be called Luna before meeting Rebekka Ouer.


Ah yes, the nefarious LGBT agenda.
Yeah: Egalitarianism, equality
Meh: Labour, the EU
Nah: pointless discrimination, authoritarianism, Brexit, Trump, both American parties, the Conservatives
I flop between "optimistic about the future" and "pessimistic about the future" every time I go on NSG.

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8values thinks I'm a Libertarian Socialist.

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Postby Risastorstein » Thu Oct 24, 2019 12:54 pm

Vassenor wrote:Did you actually provide hard evidence for this pushing, or do you just think kids are too stupid to think for themselves unless they agree with you?


Again, the same The Texan article: "Georgulas said that James first wanted a girls’ toy from McDonald’s and soon after started imitating the female characters from Disney’s Frozen and asking to wear dresses.

She said she contacted the GENecis clinic at Children’s Hospital Center, and they referred her to Rebekka Ouer for counseling. Ouer recommended a process of “affirmation” and thought that a “social transition” for James to begin going to school dressed as a girl named “Luna” would be in his best interest."

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Postby Israeli Empiratic Commonwealth » Thu Oct 24, 2019 12:54 pm

Estanglia wrote:
Israeli Empiratic Commonwealth wrote:Kids are too stupid to think for themselves period. Thats the point of the laws that say until you are 18 you have no citizenship rights. I have went down this path with my parents, until you are 18 your intelligence is minor.


So it's utterly impossible for anyone under the age of 18 to have their own thoughts, got it.

I mean... kinda?
Under 18 youre brain has not finished development, thats a fact.
During puberty, children are impulsive.
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Postby Vassenor » Thu Oct 24, 2019 12:54 pm

Risastorstein wrote:
Vassenor wrote:Did you actually provide hard evidence for this pushing, or do you just think kids are too stupid to think for themselves unless they agree with you?


Again, the same The Texan article: "Georgulas said that James first wanted a girls’ toy from McDonald’s and soon after started imitating the female characters from Disney’s Frozen and asking to wear dresses.

She said she contacted the GENecis clinic at Children’s Hospital Center, and they referred her to Rebekka Ouer for counseling. Ouer recommended a process of “affirmation” and thought that a “social transition” for James to begin going to school dressed as a girl named “Luna” would be in his best interest."


So your evidence for pushing is Frozen.

I asked for hard evidence.
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Postby Liriena » Thu Oct 24, 2019 12:55 pm

I love how the morally outraged reactionaries of this thread seem like their only argument is just condescending generalizations about minors with no empirical backing for the specific issue of gender identity.

It's almost like y'all are just old school haters in "think of the children!!!" clothing.
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Postby Risastorstein » Thu Oct 24, 2019 12:55 pm

Estanglia wrote:Ah yes, the nefarious LGBT agenda.


Not the "LGBT agenda", an agenda. Some professionals in the US are giving out "gender dysphoria" diagnoses like candies at Halloween.

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Postby Vassenor » Thu Oct 24, 2019 12:55 pm

Israeli Empiratic Commonwealth wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Did you actually provide hard evidence for this pushing, or do you just think kids are too stupid to think for themselves unless they agree with you?

Kids are too stupid to think for themselves period. Thats the point of the laws that say until you are 18 you have no citizenship rights. I have went down this path with my parents, until you are 18 your intelligence is minor.


Right, so blockers for everyone then. Kids are too stupid to know if they're Cis after all.
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Postby Israeli Empiratic Commonwealth » Thu Oct 24, 2019 12:56 pm

Necroghastia wrote:
Israeli Empiratic Commonwealth wrote:Kids are too stupid to think for themselves period. Thats the point of the laws that say until you are 18 you have no citizenship rights. I have went down this path with my parents, until you are 18 your intelligence is minor.


Lmfao

No rights? Every kid has a nonexistent intelligence? Come on, at least try when you shitpost.

Legally the word is a dependent. And yes, not many rights. No voting, no smoking, no drinking, no shooting, no driving, no working, go to school, do as your parents say, etc.
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Proud enemy of Progressives (because morals vs. make-believe).
Somewhat of an LGB ally, not the T or the Q or anything + though
Straight as a gun barrel.
Gun lover (clearly).
4 siblings (oldest brother, and proud to be so).
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BACA supporter.
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