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Postby Ifreann » Thu Oct 24, 2019 10:58 am

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Ifreann wrote:You hate medicine now or something?

No I’m just a bit leery of medications that mess with the mind.

If you think it's bad for people to have testosterone in their brains then I got bad news for you about what your testicles are doing.
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Postby Thermodolia » Thu Oct 24, 2019 10:59 am

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Thermodolia wrote:I’m not advocating for conversation therapy. Last time I checked there’s a difference between actual therapy and bullshit

There is, but unfortunately, you're advocating for the latter.

I’m not. If you want to spread lies go right on and spread em
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Postby Risastorstein » Thu Oct 24, 2019 11:01 am

Kids shouldn't be allowed to have puberty blockers and transition should be reserved for adults. How is this even a debate?

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Postby Thermodolia » Thu Oct 24, 2019 11:01 am

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Thermodolia wrote:I’m not advocating for conversation therapy. Last time I checked there’s a difference between actual therapy and bullshit


If the goal is to affirm one's identity and self-esteem and help them cope with the stress of the gender dysphoria, and does not try to make one believe they are cisgender, then that is good,

That’s what I believe it should consist of.

but for many trans people it is not enough. Physical transitions save lives. It's not a requirement for every trans person but it should not be thought of as a last resort.

Then if those who need to transition should transition if it’s life or death situations. Though obviously the therapist would be better at determining when transitioning is best
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Postby Thermodolia » Thu Oct 24, 2019 11:03 am

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Thermodolia wrote:No I’m just a bit leery of medications that mess with the mind.

If you think it's bad for people to have testosterone in their brains then I got bad news for you about what your testicles are doing.

Har har har.
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Postby Cekoviu » Thu Oct 24, 2019 11:04 am

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Cekoviu wrote:I don't see what that has to do with anything. Different levels of medical treatment work for different individuals. The same is true of medicine doses.

I’m not denying that. I just tend to believe that therapy works better long term.

You're free to believe that, but it's incorrect here.
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Postby Risastorstein » Thu Oct 24, 2019 11:05 am

This sounds like David Reimer 2.0, not gonna lie.

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Postby Vassenor » Thu Oct 24, 2019 11:06 am

Risastorstein wrote:This sounds like David Reimer 2.0, not gonna lie.


So are you going to address the father's actually abusive behaviour or not?
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Postby The New California Republic » Thu Oct 24, 2019 11:07 am

Risastorstein wrote:This sounds like David Reimer 2.0, not gonna lie.

Yeah not really.
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Postby Bear Stearns » Thu Oct 24, 2019 11:07 am

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Bear Stearns wrote:What I'm saying is that at the end of the day, WeWork's cash flow situation is precarious. Operating costs erode the company's borrowing base and have forced it to surrender equity to SoftBank on outrageously expensive terms. What a garbage company.

Lol, what?


It's true. Management doesn't help. Andy Neumann is a moron.
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Postby Vassenor » Thu Oct 24, 2019 11:08 am

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Cekoviu wrote:Lol, what?


It's true. Management doesn't help. Andy Neumann is a moron.


And this has what to do with the topic of the thread?
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Postby Cekoviu » Thu Oct 24, 2019 11:10 am

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Cekoviu wrote:Lol, what?


It's true. Management doesn't help. Andy Neumann is a moron.

I honestly have no idea what you're talking about or whether you're right. I'm just wondering why you're posting that here.
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Postby Risastorstein » Thu Oct 24, 2019 11:10 am

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Risastorstein wrote:This sounds like David Reimer 2.0, not gonna lie.

Yeah not really.

A boy forced into being a girl to prove a shady theory or therapy?

The signs behind this case is how James liked girl toys and Frozen. That doesn't make him a girl and even if he was transgender, I thought gender was different than sex and biology, so why change his body?

It doesn't make any sense.
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Postby Bear Stearns » Thu Oct 24, 2019 11:10 am

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It's true. Management doesn't help. Andy Neumann is a moron.


And this has what to do with the topic of the thread?


Because this is a sign of overvalued outsourcing companies, and evidence that the Uber model can't be exported to other verticals. The share-economy can't be translated well into hard assets (in WeWork's case, real estate). WeWork will go out of the business in the coming recession as people shrink office space.
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Postby Israeli Empiratic Commonwealth » Thu Oct 24, 2019 11:10 am

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Israeli Empiratic Commonwealth wrote:Not if I was told that it is perfectly normal to be gender dysphoric, or that it was supported.

Do you really think that if you had told your father, when you were 7, that you're really a girl, and he had accepted that and supported you in living as a girl, that you would still be living as a girl?

Because...uh...maybe you need to log off NSG and have a big think about what that tells you about your gender identity.

Okay, I can call him an "it" though. So I will call it an it then.

Referring to someone as "it" when that is not their preferred pronoun is still misgendering them. But so far as I recall the rule applies to other members of the forum.

Well he isnt in this forum so I guess its fine then. Also, yes. If my father was saying that it was perfectly fine and dandy to be a girl then yes, I probably would be one.
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Postby Bear Stearns » Thu Oct 24, 2019 11:11 am

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It's true. Management doesn't help. Andy Neumann is a moron.

I honestly have no idea what you're talking about or whether you're right. I'm just wondering why you're posting that here.


That the IPO was unjustifiable.
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Postby Vassenor » Thu Oct 24, 2019 11:12 am

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The New California Republic wrote:Yeah not really.

A boy forced into being a girl to prove a shady theory or therapy?

The signs behind this case is how James liked girl toys and Frozen. That doesn't make him a girl and even if he was transgender, I thought gender was different than sex and biology, so why change his body?

It doesn't make any sense.


So are you going to address the father's abusive behaviour or not?
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Postby The New California Republic » Thu Oct 24, 2019 11:12 am

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The New California Republic wrote:Yeah not really.

A boy forced into being a girl to prove a shady theory or therapy?

That wasn't the case with David Reimer, and it isn't the case here.
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Postby Israeli Empiratic Commonwealth » Thu Oct 24, 2019 11:12 am

Ifreann wrote:
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You mean telling the little dude to dress appropriately and to use his real name? Then yes.

"In a video posted to the dad’s website, James is asked, “You’re a boy right?”

“No, I’m a girl.”

“Who told you you’re a girl?”

“Mommy.”

The child said Anne also put James in dresses. “She buys me headbands. She gets me hair clips…she paints my nails.”"

Messing with her boy's gender in order to satisfy her own desire for some kind of living doll is abuse too.

Sounds more like Younger manipulating his daughter to suit his own transphobic agenda.

Then you cant read.
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Postby Risastorstein » Thu Oct 24, 2019 11:13 am

Israeli Empiratic Commonwealth wrote:Well he isnt in this forum so I guess its fine then. Also, yes. If my father was saying that it was perfectly fine and dandy to be a girl then yes, I probably would be one.


The mother is also hyper-medicalizing it, conforting and influencing James. I don't need to give all the examples of mothers saying their kid was ill making them subject to unnecessary and dangerous medical procedures.

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Postby Cekoviu » Thu Oct 24, 2019 11:14 am

Israeli Empiratic Commonwealth wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Do you really think that if you had told your father, when you were 7, that you're really a girl, and he had accepted that and supported you in living as a girl, that you would still be living as a girl?

Because...uh...maybe you need to log off NSG and have a big think about what that tells you about your gender identity.


Referring to someone as "it" when that is not their preferred pronoun is still misgendering them. But so far as I recall the rule applies to other members of the forum.

Well he isnt in this forum so I guess its fine then. Also, yes. If my father was saying that it was perfectly fine and dandy to be a girl then yes, I probably would be one.

Maybe you should do some reflection on that. It's interesting to me that you say that you would be a girl, not that you would think you were a girl... even though you think Luna isn't one. It seems like there might be something deep at play here.
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Postby Page » Thu Oct 24, 2019 11:14 am

Israeli Empiratic Commonwealth wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Sounds more like Younger manipulating his daughter to suit his own transphobic agenda.

Then you cant read.


Apparently you can't read because the court transcripts and the father's own words indicate exactly that.
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Postby Cekoviu » Thu Oct 24, 2019 11:15 am

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Cekoviu wrote:I honestly have no idea what you're talking about or whether you're right. I'm just wondering why you're posting that here.


That the IPO was unjustifiable.

Ok
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Postby Risastorstein » Thu Oct 24, 2019 11:15 am

The New California Republic wrote:That wasn't the case with David Reimer, and it isn't the case here.


In David Reimer's case, John Money wanted to prove that gender was purely social. In James Younger's case, they want to make medical transition the norm. It's so wrong.

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Risastorstein wrote:
Israeli Empiratic Commonwealth wrote:Well he isnt in this forum so I guess its fine then. Also, yes. If my father was saying that it was perfectly fine and dandy to be a girl then yes, I probably would be one.


The mother is also hyper-medicalizing it, conforting and influencing James. I don't need to give all the examples of mothers saying their kid was ill making them subject to unnecessary and dangerous medical procedures.


Should I give more examples of trans kids committing suicide because of parents who suppressed their gender identity?
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