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Postby USS Monitor » Wed Oct 23, 2019 12:45 am

Servilis wrote:
At age 12 I became a Nazist, however I felt Nazism was a bit extreme so I jumped down to Fascism, then to Reactionary then to Conservatism then back up to Reactionary(age 13), it was like that for a large while, then, in late 2018, I started to have Dysphoric episodes of gender identity issues.
I started remembering how I liked to crossdress at age 4, and how in all my dreams I was a girl, these feelings were repressed when my Sister outed me to my school, ensuing years of bullying.
So I repressed these feelings until in 2016 where I actually started to explore my sexuality, due to things I was actually too young to do, I.E. engage in coitis.
Lets just move on from that, anyways, in 2017 I came out to an entire class of children as Gay because my childhood bully wouldn't stop calling me Gay or the F-Slur.
And they all started laughing at me.
I walked away, and some children asked me about it, and I considered I was Bisexual, but then because of the bullying I had to repress these feelings and become Heterosexual.
So in August of 2018, specifically on the 30th of that month.
I was sitting in English class and I just lay my head down and thought about what I am.
Earlier in July clocked a Transwoman, this was the first Transwoman I ever met, I regret making fun of her, because I'm now a Trans girl who needs to apologize to their maker.
However I haven't been able to contact that Transwoman, or her friend.
They disappeared.
Anyways, I reconsidered my gender identity, and said :
"You know what, I'm Trans I guess."
And then school went on as normal.
When I got home I researched what all this meant.
I watched an animated video which shows how a Vaginoplasty procedure works, etc.
I was still Reactionary.
I came out in only 3 days.
My Mom confronted me about it and I was scared.

So, now heres where we get to ideology.
I started getting into Truscum YouTube.
And then started to develop a hatred for Nonbinaries.
This hatred costed me the ability to post memes on r/traa.
But I was fierce in debates in the Ben Shapiro comment section.
During one instance where I was questioned with Enby-related stuff.
I said "I don't believe Enbys are valid, but I'm going to defend them anyways."
That caused a change of heart.
So I was growing closer to less Reactionary beliefs.
Then in March, I started to hate Trump.
And jumped into Centrism sometime later, probably in May.
Then I joined a Communist discord server called Redpixel, I think in July or August this year.
And then became an AnCom.
And that's where I stand now.
I can't be with Reactionaries because they'll abandon me or hate me.
So I prefer to be with the accepting and tolerant Left.



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Postby Nakena » Wed Oct 23, 2019 1:03 am

Bear Stearns wrote:I supported Obama in 2008


All the cool kids did that back then, as much as the cool kids of 2016 supported Trump.

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Postby Alvecia » Wed Oct 23, 2019 1:17 am

Before a particular thread on this forum, I used to believe in some objective form of morality, but some convincing points made me reconsider.

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Postby The Blaatschapen » Wed Oct 23, 2019 1:24 am

I recently changed my mind on housing, the market, and the wealth distribution in the world. I went from liberal to a lot more socialist (well, actually, more for more consumer rights, rather than worker rights)
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Postby Grahnol » Wed Oct 23, 2019 1:52 am

Servilis wrote:
At age 12 I became a Nazist, however I felt Nazism was a bit extreme so I jumped down to Fascism, then to Reactionary then to Conservatism then back up to Reactionary(age 13), it was like that for a large while, then, in late 2018, I started to have Dysphoric episodes of gender identity issues.
I started remembering how I liked to crossdress at age 4, and how in all my dreams I was a girl, these feelings were repressed when my Sister outed me to my school, ensuing years of bullying.
So I repressed these feelings until in 2016 where I actually started to explore my sexuality, due to things I was actually too young to do, I.E. engage in coitis.
Lets just move on from that, anyways, in 2017 I came out to an entire class of children as Gay because my childhood bully wouldn't stop calling me Gay or the F-Slur.
And they all started laughing at me.
I walked away, and some children asked me about it, and I considered I was Bisexual, but then because of the bullying I had to repress these feelings and become Heterosexual.
So in August of 2018, specifically on the 30th of that month.
I was sitting in English class and I just lay my head down and thought about what I am.
Earlier in July clocked a Transwoman, this was the first Transwoman I ever met, I regret making fun of her, because I'm now a Trans girl who needs to apologize to their maker.
However I haven't been able to contact that Transwoman, or her friend.
They disappeared.
Anyways, I reconsidered my gender identity, and said :
"You know what, I'm Trans I guess."
And then school went on as normal.
When I got home I researched what all this meant.
I watched an animated video which shows how a Vaginoplasty procedure works, etc.
I was still Reactionary.
I came out in only 3 days.
My Mom confronted me about it and I was scared.

So, now heres where we get to ideology.
I started getting into Truscum YouTube.
And then started to develop a hatred for Nonbinaries.
This hatred costed me the ability to post memes on r/traa.
But I was fierce in debates in the Ben Shapiro comment section.
During one instance where I was questioned with Enby-related stuff.
I said "I don't believe Enbys are valid, but I'm going to defend them anyways."
That caused a change of heart.
So I was growing closer to less Reactionary beliefs.
Then in March, I started to hate Trump.
And jumped into Centrism sometime later, probably in May.
Then I joined a Communist discord server called Redpixel, I think in July or August this year.
And then became an AnCom.
And that's where I stand now.
I can't be with Reactionaries because they'll abandon me or hate me.
So I prefer to be with the accepting and tolerant Left.

Interesting story. Very recent developments in it as well. I've noticed a trend of people being driven away from labels/ideologies because they either feel that they are not accepted by said ideology or because proponents of said ideologies drift to beliefs they don't like, whether it was something that made them feel like they were no longer part of that group or not. You've got those right-wingers who were driven away from the left because of them deeming the left as becoming more and more radical and believing they can't stay in the left anymore and you've got left-wingers who were driven away from the right because they don't feel that they could continue being part of the right with the current things the right supports. Often it first starts with someone dropping a label before drifting away from the things the label meant to them. There isn't really anything wrong with being driven away from an ideology, it just means you no longer agree with what the broad group of that ideology supports and you could no longer consider yourself as part of that group. I'm completely sympathetic to that.

It's pretty interesting how once someone sees a belief someone holds that they vehemently disagree with, they often drift to the opposite direction of said ideology, often because that thing they disagreed with made the other end look more reasonable, they feel like the opposite ideology is something they can agree to more because of how much they can't see themselves siding with the other ideology.

Personally, I find this whole drifting thing to be amusing but truly shows what direction our politics and political thinking has come to. How politics have devolved into this. How much our current political environment has now become based on factionalising a broad set of ideas into a faction that often includes ideologies that are incompatible with each other, and how this faction in their mind is often used as a punching bag and a basket for all sorts of things they disagree with. Think of how the word 'fascist' has often been used on ideologies that don't fit into the types that Nazi Germany or Fascist Italy adhere to due to the negative connotations of the word relating to those countries mentioned. Think of how people also have used the word 'SJW' in a similar sense as well, often used simply as a basket word to insult all sorts of ideologies that often are incompatible with each other because 'SJW' sounds demeaning. How politics has drifted and devolved into a factionalist mess truly is something.
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Postby Page » Wed Oct 23, 2019 2:03 am

When I was a preteen, I started to parrot my parents' Republican politics. In fact, in my small Christian middle school I even took part on ganging up on the only boy from a Dem-voting family and entertained my right-wing teachers with lame Republican jokes. My parents took me to a "pro-America" rally once (a counterprotest to Iraq War protesters) and I watched The O'Reilly Factor with them every night.

My first encounter with the left came because I saw someone at a LAN party wearing an Anti-Flag t-shirt, so I looked up the band online and that was a gateway to punk rock, and the more I listened to the anti-war, anti-capitalist lyrics, the more it made sense to me and at age 14, I sped right by liberalism and straight into anarchism. In high school I proudly read a collection of Emma Goldman's works in public and wrote "Smash the State" on my shoes.

Then at the start of college, I started to "grow up", or so I thought. I became a liberal and in retrospect, these times were more cringeworthy than my edgelord anarchist days. On the day Obama was inaugurated, my white ass joyfully proclaimed that America was now a "post-racial society."

Then when I was around 21, I became re-radicalized. It started with people an online community I was part of coming out as trans and asking people to address them by their preferred pronouns, which sharply divided the community between the LGBTQ folks and people who mocked them with "attack helicopter" type rhetoric.

I was in the middle of this. I really thought of myself as a progressive, enlightened person. I didn't hate trans people, I just thought they were mentally ill. I voiced extremely ignorant opinions in this community and in doing so alienated a friend, because I misgendered him and told him the whole thing was just a phase. But when I saw the impact of my words, how much I hurt someone who needed my support, I felt terrible. I started to listen to what "social justice warriors" had to say, and it dawned on me that I was a reactionary. I said the same things about trans people that the right-wingers I despised said about gay people. And that prompted a lot of soul-searching.

I realized that I wasn't the tolerant, progressive person I thought I was. I gave consideration to ideas that previously made me uncomfortable, like white privilege. I asked myself why it was that I reacted so defensively, why I felt the need to dig in my heels and deny social injustice. I realized that I didn't want to admit that I had internalized bigotry because it conflicted with my own image of myself as a good and enlightened person. I took an honest look at myself for the first time and realized that I was no less a product of an unjust capitalist society than the conservatives I looked down on.

I reflected on everyone and everything that ever influenced me, I questioned everything I believed in, and I deconstructed all that I took for granted. And when the process was complete, I understood that I could never be a complacent liberal again. I reject capitalism, I reject the state, I reject coercion, and I will fight for justice. I'm a radical leftist not because it makes me feel good but because I believe we can all do so much better.
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Postby Paleoconservative Citizens » Wed Oct 23, 2019 2:05 am

Ah yes, back in the day I was a Fascist. Now, I was actually a Clerical Fascist
To me, Fascism was little less than strict conservatism, but I slowly began moving away from Fascism, it was because Fascism, by nature, is oppressive. I began researching and the more I did, the less I liked Fascism. My thought of Fascism was far different than what it really was, I thought it was National Sovereignty, but the more I studied the more it repulsed me. Seeing as how well Fascism worked in the past, I figured my new "ideology" was little more than Ignorance. Then I researched more political ideologies, I jumped from Clerical Fascism, to Theocratic Nationalism, and even Socialism! In the end, I got back to what I can 100% agree with, Paleoconservativism. What I really hated most about Fascism was the oppression, how much the state controlled the lives of it's citizens, how bent on war Fascists are, how much they hate anyone ethnically different, how much they obsess over Hitler, who, by the way, I never liked.

In the end, it was a result of me actually researching and figuring out things, and not just simply looking at the surface, because you cannot judge a book by its cover. Fascism on the surface appears to be order and peace, but when you open the book you find war, hatred, control, genocide, etc.

So if anyone here is a Fascist, I recommend you do your research.
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Postby Nakena » Wed Oct 23, 2019 2:12 am

Changes? Well I've came to the conclusion that libertarianism is absolute garbage and I look down upon it with ever increasing amounts of disdain. Its basically the cowardly renunciation of any responsibility towards society and anyone else. Its the fancy and fashionable way of quietism and exiting by taking a confortable backwards seat. Its not different to any "no-future" dudes or potheads who dont care even as long as they get their stuff. And no you're not going to convince me otherwise, because i have it seen way too many times expressed to be not an endemic, toxic and ultimative anti-social mindset. One that will go come around and bite their proponents back in the ass.
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Postby Elvectica » Wed Oct 23, 2019 2:14 am

I would just like to acknowledge that my views are pretty likely to change in the future, but this is where it's at as of right now.

I'm a lot younger than a lot of other people here, so I don't think I have the experience or knowledge yet to truly have a grasp on ideologies and what funny little dots on some graphs I fit into (or will fit into). But regardless, I've just become more and more cynical every year and in every election and every bielection and every poll and every whatever. When I was in junior high, maybe 13-14, I was an adamant capitalist. I truly believed in deregulation, not knowing the possible consequences it has because I didn't know shit about economics, still don't, probably never will to be honest.

Suddenly I quickly started going back on my opinions and swayed wayy over to the left then. Forgot why, but I think it was because of some Michael Moore documentary or something. So, I was pretty intrigued in the NDP and Liberals and whatnot, and I thought, "hey why not give this a try." Aaaand then my father and my friends's fathers and our family friends all lost their jobs because of the oil recession in Alberta. So I kinda traded policies between both the left and the right, not knowing where the hell I stood.

And it's been like that for the past few years now. Hating both the left and the right for attacking each other because I related to both sides.

But just recently, I followed the federal election, all the way to the end. And... it suddenly hit me that I don't belong in any party. Because I dislike all of them, and I was incredibly disappointed with the leaders of my country. I don't know why I had high hopes/expectations for them to begin with. I guess I just hoped for someone to guide us through these turbulent times, but all I got were people who were part of these turbulent times.

I didn't feel bad that the conservatives didn't win, despite wanting them to because it's the "least worst option," (paraphrasing Jagmeet Singh here), and I didn't hate Justin Trudeau's guts for lying through his victory speech. Hell I didn't really care that Andrew Scheer lied too, a bunch of times even. I just... sorta accepted that's how politics are now, and have always been. I just sorta laughed, thinking, "I should've known it was gonna be a liberal victory" and moved on.
I could go on and on and complain about every little detail, but then that'll only make me look even more like a cynicalist. I'm not that much of one, I promise
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Postby Silver Commonwealth » Wed Oct 23, 2019 2:59 am

Elvectica wrote:I would just like to acknowledge that my views are pretty likely to change in the future, but this is where it's at as of right now.

I'm a lot younger than a lot of other people here, so I don't think I have the experience or knowledge yet to truly have a grasp on ideologies and what funny little dots on some graphs I fit into (or will fit into). But regardless, I've just become more and more cynical every year and in every election and every bielection and every poll and every whatever. When I was in junior high, maybe 13-14, I was an adamant capitalist. I truly believed in deregulation, not knowing the possible consequences it has because I didn't know shit about economics, still don't, probably never will to be honest.

Suddenly I quickly started going back on my opinions and swayed wayy over to the left then. Forgot why, but I think it was because of some Michael Moore documentary or something. So, I was pretty intrigued in the NDP and Liberals and whatnot, and I thought, "hey why not give this a try." Aaaand then my father and my friends's fathers and our family friends all lost their jobs because of the oil recession in Alberta. So I kinda traded policies between both the left and the right, not knowing where the hell I stood.

And it's been like that for the past few years now. Hating both the left and the right for attacking each other because I related to both sides.

But just recently, I followed the federal election, all the way to the end. And... it suddenly hit me that I don't belong in any party. Because I dislike all of them, and I was incredibly disappointed with the leaders of my country. I don't know why I had high hopes/expectations for them to begin with. I guess I just hoped for someone to guide us through these turbulent times, but all I got were people who were part of these turbulent times.

I didn't feel bad that the conservatives didn't win, despite wanting them to because it's the "least worst option," (paraphrasing Jagmeet Singh here), and I didn't hate Justin Trudeau's guts for lying through his victory speech. Hell I didn't really care that Andrew Scheer lied too, a bunch of times even. I just... sorta accepted that's how politics are now, and have always been. I just sorta laughed, thinking, "I should've known it was gonna be a liberal victory" and moved on.
I could go on and on and complain about every little detail, but then that'll only make me look even more like a cynicalist. I'm not that much of one, I promise

Huh, I can relate to that cynic part, tbh. Difference for me is, that even when I considered myself a right winger (When I was like 12-13 maybe, and political views were still forming), I still didn't like deregulation, or big corporations, for that matter. From a socialist I went to a socdem, and have stayed there ever since. That said, it is usually more interesting to talk with left-wingers than right-wingers for me.
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Wed Oct 23, 2019 3:00 am

Grahnol wrote:
Servilis wrote:
At age 12 I became a Nazist, however I felt Nazism was a bit extreme so I jumped down to Fascism, then to Reactionary then to Conservatism then back up to Reactionary(age 13), it was like that for a large while, then, in late 2018, I started to have Dysphoric episodes of gender identity issues.
I started remembering how I liked to crossdress at age 4, and how in all my dreams I was a girl, these feelings were repressed when my Sister outed me to my school, ensuing years of bullying.
So I repressed these feelings until in 2016 where I actually started to explore my sexuality, due to things I was actually too young to do, I.E. engage in coitis.
Lets just move on from that, anyways, in 2017 I came out to an entire class of children as Gay because my childhood bully wouldn't stop calling me Gay or the F-Slur.
And they all started laughing at me.
I walked away, and some children asked me about it, and I considered I was Bisexual, but then because of the bullying I had to repress these feelings and become Heterosexual.
So in August of 2018, specifically on the 30th of that month.
I was sitting in English class and I just lay my head down and thought about what I am.
Earlier in July clocked a Transwoman, this was the first Transwoman I ever met, I regret making fun of her, because I'm now a Trans girl who needs to apologize to their maker.
However I haven't been able to contact that Transwoman, or her friend.
They disappeared.
Anyways, I reconsidered my gender identity, and said :
"You know what, I'm Trans I guess."
And then school went on as normal.
When I got home I researched what all this meant.
I watched an animated video which shows how a Vaginoplasty procedure works, etc.
I was still Reactionary.
I came out in only 3 days.
My Mom confronted me about it and I was scared.

So, now heres where we get to ideology.
I started getting into Truscum YouTube.
And then started to develop a hatred for Nonbinaries.
This hatred costed me the ability to post memes on r/traa.
But I was fierce in debates in the Ben Shapiro comment section.
During one instance where I was questioned with Enby-related stuff.
I said "I don't believe Enbys are valid, but I'm going to defend them anyways."
That caused a change of heart.
So I was growing closer to less Reactionary beliefs.
Then in March, I started to hate Trump.
And jumped into Centrism sometime later, probably in May.
Then I joined a Communist discord server called Redpixel, I think in July or August this year.
And then became an AnCom.
And that's where I stand now.
I can't be with Reactionaries because they'll abandon me or hate me.
So I prefer to be with the accepting and tolerant Left.

Interesting story. Very recent developments in it as well. I've noticed a trend of people being driven away from labels/ideologies because they either feel that they are not accepted by said ideology or because proponents of said ideologies drift to beliefs they don't like, whether it was something that made them feel like they were no longer part of that group or not. You've got those right-wingers who were driven away from the left because of them deeming the left as becoming more and more radical and believing they can't stay in the left anymore and you've got left-wingers who were driven away from the right because they don't feel that they could continue being part of the right with the current things the right supports. Often it first starts with someone dropping a label before drifting away from the things the label meant to them. There isn't really anything wrong with being driven away from an ideology, it just means you no longer agree with what the broad group of that ideology supports and you could no longer consider yourself as part of that group. I'm completely sympathetic to that.

It's pretty interesting how once someone sees a belief someone holds that they vehemently disagree with, they often drift to the opposite direction of said ideology, often because that thing they disagreed with made the other end look more reasonable, they feel like the opposite ideology is something they can agree to more because of how much they can't see themselves siding with the other ideology.

Personally, I find this whole drifting thing to be amusing but truly shows what direction our politics and political thinking has come to. How politics have devolved into this. How much our current political environment has now become based on factionalising a broad set of ideas into a faction that often includes ideologies that are incompatible with each other, and how this faction in their mind is often used as a punching bag and a basket for all sorts of things they disagree with. Think of how the word 'fascist' has often been used on ideologies that don't fit into the types that Nazi Germany or Fascist Italy adhere to due to the negative connotations of the word relating to those countries mentioned. Think of how people also have used the word 'SJW' in a similar sense as well, often used simply as a basket word to insult all sorts of ideologies that often are incompatible with each other because 'SJW' sounds demeaning. How politics has drifted and devolved into a factionalist mess truly is something.


This is very true. A lot of people drift to extremes because they've encountered a very small amount of people on the other side who have been actively unpleasant, taken said person as representing the whole because no one challenged the behaviour, and then they've defined themselves against a whole ideology despite sharing a number of principles.

It's why you see so many people seemingly motivated by "owning x" or whatever rather than any particular principle. It's political activity as revenge. Oftentimes the most aggressively outspoken in a group get quite popular because they're seen as "protectors" from opponents, but if they're actively converting people into enemies for life they're a problem rather than a boon.
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Postby Lost Memories » Wed Oct 23, 2019 3:07 am

Geneviev wrote:Because I couldn't agree with something I couldn't defend.
The United Provinces of North America wrote:Honestly not to hurt your feelings, but if people can attack you into changing your beliefs. It shows how weak/insecure you're. No offense intended, please don't take it the wrong way!
Sovaal wrote:Or maybe their just capable of internal reflection.

Surely there is some degree of reflection when someone changes ideas. As there is reflection involved in confirmation too. That said.

Changing idea on anything isn't a showing of intelligence, it's the reasons for why one changes which can be intelligent or not.
Same for confirming one own views, it can be done for good reasons or for bad ones.

Change = always good, is an oversimplified view of life, which only brings long term instability.
While instability too, can be useful or dangerous according to the time and place, so long it's short lived. Sometimes a short period of instability is needed, to unlock a bad state of things, sometimes it just ruins good things, tossing away any accumulated progress.
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Postby Forsher » Wed Oct 23, 2019 3:28 am

Years ago a political commentator condemned the Conservatives for having an incoherent political platform. Basically that means there was no basic logic which seemed to inform their opinions. I think the term they used was logically inconsistent. Now, the implicit extreme of this... politics from first principles... really is completely stupid, but these days logical consistency is practically my favourite thing. At the time though I was like "wtf is this criticism, u stupid".

Normally people change their mind because the basic reasoning they used to reach opinions is altered in some secondary context. Possibly it matters if the issue is constantly salient. That is, you used to think one way (Z) about the merits of intellectual coherency in political party platforms based on reason X. Then, later, when you're not thinking about Z, in context Y your positions on X are re-evaluated to X'. And then later on, the issue of Z is brought up again and one finds that as X => Z, so to does X' => Z'.

At least, I imagine that's what happened. It's kind of hard to tell.

I don't usually change my mind though. People who aren't Forsher have a distinct tendency to be completely wrong... and also to repeat Forsher's points in order to disagree with Forsher... which may be related to the similar pattern of people agreeing with Forsher after having correctly interpreted Forsher. I work hard to avoid flip flopping through be a complete egomaniac and frequently searching my posting position to see what I said last time.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Wed Oct 23, 2019 3:36 am

I use to believe that if you were president and couldn't get a blow job, what's the point?

And.

if you are president and someone takes a shot at your dad, you get to kill the mother fucker.

I no longer believe either.
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Wed Oct 23, 2019 4:01 am

Ethel mermania wrote:I use to believe that if you were president and couldn't get a blow job, what's the point?

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I no longer believe either.


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Postby The New California Republic » Wed Oct 23, 2019 4:03 am

I became far less hard left and instead more moderate. I think the change came with the realisation that any shift towards the left in terms of economics needs to be very gradual, in contrast to the failures that have arisen by rushing through such policies.
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Postby Hammer Britannia » Wed Oct 23, 2019 5:52 am

I was a wild rollercoaster back in the day tbh.

Leaving my high school, I was a Theocrat. I believed that a state controlled by the priests was the greatest form of government. This was back when I was Christian, but then things changed. I left my faith and became a Tankie, but then realized that Tankiesm sucked so I became a Fascist. Goddamn, I was just an edgy little shit back in the day. Of course, now I am no longer a Stalinist, Fascist, or Theocrat. So what changed in that time? One of the biggest parts of my change was me actually talking to people outside my little bubble of Authoritarian-wankery. I was introduced to facts, ideas, etc, that proved my points as bullsh!t. As such, I sort of made a swing from Right-Authoritarian bullshit to Right-Libertarian. These days, however, I do find myself slowly becoming closer to the Left-Libertarians. I don't know why, I just am.

So, I guess you could say I am always changing my mind. However, I find myself becoming more and more moderate as the days go on rather than the Authoritarian I once was.

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Postby The United Provinces of North America » Wed Oct 23, 2019 11:01 am

Cekoviu wrote:
The United Provinces of North America wrote:
I think you need to speak to the Far Left Democrats, since they throw around racial slurs.

There's a lot in this sentence and I don't have the energy to dissect it right now, but suffice to say that you're very incorrect in apparently many aspects of your worldview and I would recommend reevaluating it.

Keep attacking me for my views (opinions) about the Far Left, then I'll report you to a site admin. Accept opinions, instead of assuming I am a racist. Because I don't share your same views! Plus as a moderator you should be tolerant of other views, oh and did you see my link that I linked here? That's racist as hell. Assuming all African Americans look the same is racist, pretty evident that if Joe Biden isn't nominated, then Centrists will vote for Trump. Grow up if you can't accept my opinions, or keep attacking me.
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Postby Farnhamia » Wed Oct 23, 2019 11:06 am

The United Provinces of North America wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:There's a lot in this sentence and I don't have the energy to dissect it right now, but suffice to say that you're very incorrect in apparently many aspects of your worldview and I would recommend reevaluating it.

Keep attacking me for my views (opinions) about the Far Left, then I'll report you to a site admin. Accept opinions, instead of assuming I am a racist. Because I don't share your same views!

If you think someone has broken the rules, report them. Do not sit around threatening people with Moderator action because that is a violation of the rules, too. You do not get to use Mods as weapons because you don't like the way someone is posting.
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Postby The United Provinces of North America » Wed Oct 23, 2019 11:10 am

Farnhamia wrote:
The United Provinces of North America wrote:Keep attacking me for my views (opinions) about the Far Left, then I'll report you to a site admin. Accept opinions, instead of assuming I am a racist. Because I don't share your same views!

If you think someone has broken the rules, report them. Do not sit around threatening people with Moderator action because that is a violation of the rules, too. You do not get to use Mods as weapons because you don't like the way someone is posting.

Being attacked by a difference and he keeps insinuating what I am saying. I have edited my post.
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Postby Shazbotdom » Wed Oct 23, 2019 11:12 am

The United Provinces of North America wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:If you think someone has broken the rules, report them. Do not sit around threatening people with Moderator action because that is a violation of the rules, too. You do not get to use Mods as weapons because you don't like the way someone is posting.

Being attacked by a difference and he keeps insinuate what I am saying.


One player to another. If you think he is breaking site rules, go to the nuts and bolts section of the forum, there's the moderation section there, start a threaded make a report.
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Postby The United Provinces of North America » Wed Oct 23, 2019 11:16 am

Shazbotdom wrote:
The United Provinces of North America wrote:Being attacked by a difference and he keeps insinuate what I am saying.


One player to another. If you think he is breaking site rules, go to the nuts and bolts section of the forum, there's the moderation section there, start a threaded make a report.

I'll let him slide for now!

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Postby The New California Republic » Wed Oct 23, 2019 11:24 am

Shazbotdom wrote:
The United Provinces of North America wrote:Being attacked by a difference and he keeps insinuate what I am saying.


One player to another. If you think he is breaking site rules, go to the nuts and bolts section of the forum, there's the moderation section there, start a threaded make a report.

But by the same measure it should be said that frivolous reports don't go down too well.
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Postby Diopolis » Wed Oct 23, 2019 11:39 am

I got noticeably more trumpian after starting to pay my own bills.
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Postby Bear Stearns » Wed Oct 23, 2019 11:45 am

Nakena wrote:
Bear Stearns wrote:I supported Obama in 2008


All the cool kids did that back then, as much as the cool kids of 2016 supported Trump.


It's not like McCain was really any better from a right-wing perspective.
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