When did you change your mind? (and why?)

[Hamidiye]

I was in favour of eqzual rights for gay people some time ago. Then the trans-bullshit appeared, and the "all whites are racist" bullshit...so much bullshit. SO MUCH! BULLSHIT! These days I'm firmly against modern liberalism in general.

[Bear Stearns]

I was in favour of eqzual rights for gay people some time ago. Then the trans-bullshit appeared, and the "all whites are racist" bullshit...so much bullshit. SO MUCH! BULLSHIT! These days I'm firmly against modern liberalism in general.

Tbh I'm sort of similar. I was pretty chill with gay marriage but once they started promoting child sexuality, drag queens, and trans shit, it was honestly revolting and sickening.

And with race, I was on board with the program until I saw how liberals blatantly lied in cases like Trayvon Martin and Mike Brown and used them to stoke up racial resentment. And then white privilege came on the scene and it was obvious how hateful these people are.

[Diopolis]

I was in favour of eqzual rights for gay people some time ago. Then the trans-bullshit appeared, and the "all whites are racist" bullshit...so much bullshit. SO MUCH! BULLSHIT! These days I'm firmly against modern liberalism in general.

Tbh I'm sort of similar. I was pretty chill with gay marriage but once they started promoting child sexuality, drag queens, and trans shit, it was honestly revolting and sickening.

And with race, I was on board with the program until I saw how liberals blatantly lied in cases like Trayvon Martin and Mike Brown and used them to stoke up racial resentment. And then white privilege came on the scene and it was obvious how hateful these people are.

It’s not like we social cons didn’t tell you exactly what was going to happen.

[Bear Stearns]

Tbh I'm sort of similar. I was pretty chill with gay marriage but once they started promoting child sexuality, drag queens, and trans shit, it was honestly revolting and sickening.

And with race, I was on board with the program until I saw how liberals blatantly lied in cases like Trayvon Martin and Mike Brown and used them to stoke up racial resentment. And then white privilege came on the scene and it was obvious how hateful these people are.

It’s not like we social cons didn’t tell you exactly what was going to happen.

That too...when gay marriage was first a thing, liberals derided conservative cries that it would lead to worse shit down the road as a slippery slope. And yet here we are.

Of course, elected social conservatives in the US have been absolutely worthless. The National Review thinks drag queen story hour is an expression of American liberty.

[The Blaatschapen]

Tbh I'm sort of similar. I was pretty chill with gay marriage but once they started promoting child sexuality, drag queens, and trans shit, it was honestly revolting and sickening.

And with race, I was on board with the program until I saw how liberals blatantly lied in cases like Trayvon Martin and Mike Brown and used them to stoke up racial resentment. And then white privilege came on the scene and it was obvious how hateful these people are.

It’s not like we social cons didn’t tell you exactly what was going to happen.

Social cons have been going at it since before the abolition of slavery.

[Diopolis]

It’s not like we social cons didn’t tell you exactly what was going to happen.

That too...when gay marriage was first a thing, liberals derided conservative cries that it would lead to worse shit down the road as a slippery slope. And yet here we are.

Of course, elected social conservatives in the US have been absolutely worthless. The National Review thinks drag queen story hour is an expression of American liberty.

Yeah, it’s not like our politicians would’ve done anything to stop it.

[Ethel mermania]

It’s not like we social cons didn’t tell you exactly what was going to happen.

Social cons have been going at it since before the abolition of slavery.

When the Republicans were the radicals.

[Cekoviu]

There's a lot in this sentence and I don't have the energy to dissect it right now, but suffice to say that you're very incorrect in apparently many aspects of your worldview and I would recommend reevaluating it.

Keep attacking me for my views (opinions) about the Far Left, then I'll report you to a site admin. Accept opinions, instead of assuming I am a racist. Because I don't share your same views! Plus as a moderator you should be tolerant of other views, oh and did you see my link that I linked here? That's racist as hell. Assuming all African Americans look the same is racist, pretty evident that if Joe Biden isn't nominated, then Centrists will vote for Trump. Grow up if you can't accept my opinions, or keep attacking me.

What? I'm not a moderator. Mods have fancy colored names.

It’s not like we social cons didn’t tell you exactly what was going to happen.

That too...when gay marriage was first a thing, liberals derided conservative cries that it would lead to worse shit down the road as a slippery slope. And yet here we are.

Of course, elected social conservatives in the US have been absolutely worthless. The National Review thinks drag queen story hour is an expression of American liberty.

I'll have what you're having.

[Bear Stearns]

That too...when gay marriage was first a thing, liberals derided conservative cries that it would lead to worse shit down the road as a slippery slope. And yet here we are.

Of course, elected social conservatives in the US have been absolutely worthless. The National Review thinks drag queen story hour is an expression of American liberty.

I'll have what you're having.

Normal people are revolted by these things.

[The Blaatschapen]

I'll have what you're having.

Normal people are revolted by these things.

No they're not.

And first provide proof that you are normal

[Vivolkha]

I started off very to the left in my early teens (as in, anti-capitalist left) until stabilizing for a time at the centre-left. Now, in the past 12-18 months I've drifted even further to the center and towards authoritarianism. Overall though, my political opinions right now are chaotic and even contradict each other.

I used to hate capitalism for being based on blatant manipulation of consumers, and became attracted to the USSR as a massive social experiment. I quickly learnt that the experiment failed miserably, and even though it took me a few more years to fully understand the reasons behind its collapse and Communism's failure (and even Communism's meaning), I began to see capitalism as a "necessary evil". I stabilized as your typical centre-left stereotypical liberal. I believed in strongly regulated capitalism, in feminism and LGBT rights, in democracy, in equality for all, and staunchly opposed pretty much every single concept behind social conservatism. These are the views that Vivolkha, as NS nation, represents, even though they no longer represent me, the player behind it.

I was also a Catalan independence supporter, and this is important not because my sig has a disclaimer saying that this is no longer true, but because one of the major forces behind my political views' change are the events surrounding the Catalan crisis.

These are the ideas I joined NationStates with, and the main reason why I disown many of my old posts.

Starting in late 2017, several events made me rethink my political views:

• Perhaps the most important one was the illegal 2017 Catalan independence referendum. Or, more specifically, its aftermath. The whole situation was managed horribly by the pro-independence side and they slided down the path of hysteria and populism. I used to support Catalan independence because, let's be honest, I had (and still have) 0 confidence in Spain's future. This failed independence bid made me lose all my confidence in Catalan separatism, in my idealist political views, and in society as a whole (society voted these kind of people to office on both sides...). In turn, I've become sharply cynical (I already was fairly cynical because of personal reasons, to be honest) and lead me to mistrust all opinions in general. No longer I do believe in a single concept blindly, be it feminism, capitalism or democracy. And, in general, this results in a more authoritarian ("people can't decide for themselves in certain matters") and conservative (towards the centre) mentality.
• NationStates itself, together with some real world events, has also driven this change. Upon entering NationStates I became exposed to a lot of new political ideas, many of which are completely opposed to my own, including those conservative that I tried to insulate myself from in the past. One of the game's basic stat mechanics is that your Economy tanks if Economic Freedom is reduced. These new points of view, together with the events in Venezuela and influence from my libertarian uncle, have led me to take a much more moderate stance on capitalism and a more libertarian economic policy, but still not laissez faire.

And here's me now, shocking my fellows at university by branding student political activity there as "extremist" and my family with my political apathy.

A few things have not changed though, such as my opposition to drug decriminalization and support for authoritarian asnwers, and my staunch opposition to religion.

[Tinhampton]

Back in 1992, I used to think that governments would listen to their citizens voting against the Maastricht Treaty... and then I became a Eurosceptic

[Hamidiye]

Tbh I'm sort of similar. I was pretty chill with gay marriage but once they started promoting child sexuality, drag queens, and trans shit, it was honestly revolting and sickening.

And with race, I was on board with the program until I saw how liberals blatantly lied in cases like Trayvon Martin and Mike Brown and used them to stoke up racial resentment. And then white privilege came on the scene and it was obvious how hateful these people are.

It’s not like we social cons didn’t tell you exactly what was going to happen.

Well we thought they could suck dick and be rational the rest of the time... it appears we were wrong.

[Arthenius]

It’s not like we social cons didn’t tell you exactly what was going to happen.

That too...when gay marriage was first a thing, liberals derided conservative cries that it would lead to worse shit down the road as a slippery slope. And yet here we are.

Of course, elected social conservatives in the US have been absolutely worthless. The National Review thinks drag queen story hour is an expression of American liberty.

Thing is that conservatives have been successfully scared away into speaking and here we are when conservatives feel like they have to apologize for things and act wussed out.

Now who do you think is the more "evil" side here?

[Mettaton-EX]

i used to be a centrist - seeing the vicious cultishness of the tea party movement, the opponents of #blacklivesmatter, homophobes, and transphobes pushed me to the left and practically every world event since about 2015 has cemented that further

[Cekoviu]

That too...when gay marriage was first a thing, liberals derided conservative cries that it would lead to worse shit down the road as a slippery slope. And yet here we are.

Of course, elected social conservatives in the US have been absolutely worthless. The National Review thinks drag queen story hour is an expression of American liberty.

Thing is that conservatives have been successfully scared away into speaking and here we are when conservatives feel like they have to apologize for things and act wussed out.

Now who do you think is the more "evil" side here?

There isn't an answer to that question because the vast majority of people, including most Nazis and Stalinists, are not evil. Rapists are evil. Murderers are evil. People who hold stupid opinions are not.

[Neanderthaland]

I defended Bethesda for a long time.

But today they turned Fallout 76 into a subscription service, with explicitly pay-to-win content. After promising never to do either of those things. And the game is still broken as fuck.

[Arthenius]

Thing is that conservatives have been successfully scared away into speaking and here we are when conservatives feel like they have to apologize for things and act wussed out.

Now who do you think is the more "evil" side here?

There isn't an answer to that question because the vast majority of people, including most Nazis and Stalinists, are not evil. Rapists are evil. Murderers are evil. People who hold stupid opinions are not.

What the Nazis and Stalinists did was most certainly evil.

[Telconi]

I was a devoted Democrat in early adulthood. Was nice president of my college's Young Democrats, actively canvassed for politicians ranging from local to national. Eventually I started drifting away from the party, mostly due to first hand exposure to the very politicians I had campaigned for.

It seems such things tend to snowball, the more you agree with people, the more you associate with them, and the more you associate the more you agree.

[The New California Republic]

I defended Bethesda for a long time.

But today they turned Fallout 76 into a subscription service, with explicitly pay-to-win content. After promising never to do either of those things. And the game is still broken as fuck.

Oh for fuck's sake.

I actually ditched Fallout 76 a few months back; just stopped playing it entirely. This latest announcement makes it even less likely that I will ever return to it.

[Xuloqoia]

I defended Bethesda for a long time.

But today they turned Fallout 76 into a subscription service, with explicitly pay-to-win content. After promising never to do either of those things. And the game is still broken as fuck.

Wait, really? This is the first time I've heard anything about 76 since Internet Historian made a video on the topic.

[Neanderthaland]

I defended Bethesda for a long time.

But today they turned Fallout 76 into a subscription service, with explicitly pay-to-win content. After promising never to do either of those things. And the game is still broken as fuck.

Wait, really? This is the first time I've heard anything about 76 since Internet Historian made a video on the topic.

I don't want to threadjack, but yeah. It's pretty terrible. I suppose, in their defense, it's an "optional" subscription service. But "optional" only in the sense that it gives you the "option" to enjoy the promised content.

[Cekoviu]

There isn't an answer to that question because the vast majority of people, including most Nazis and Stalinists, are not evil. Rapists are evil. Murderers are evil. People who hold stupid opinions are not.

What the Nazis and Stalinists did was most certainly evil.

I mean modern ones, hence my use of the present tense. Suppose I should've made that more obvious.

[Thermodolia]

I was in favour of eqzual rights for gay people some time ago. Then the trans-bullshit appeared, and the "all whites are racist" bullshit...so much bullshit. SO MUCH! BULLSHIT! These days I'm firmly against modern liberalism in general.

Tbh I'm sort of similar. I was pretty chill with gay marriage but once they started promoting child sexuality, drag queens, and trans shit, it was honestly revolting and sickening.

And with race, I was on board with the program until I saw how liberals blatantly lied in cases like Trayvon Martin and Mike Brown and used them to stoke up racial resentment. And then white privilege came on the scene and it was obvious how hateful these people are.

Gay marriage =/= trans issues. There’s a lot of people who are pro-LGB but not T. As I’ve heard before from some people in the LGB community, “Pro-LGB and fuck the T”.

So really gay marriage has nothing to do with any of this.

[The New California Republic]

Tbh I'm sort of similar. I was pretty chill with gay marriage but once they started promoting child sexuality, drag queens, and trans shit, it was honestly revolting and sickening.

And with race, I was on board with the program until I saw how liberals blatantly lied in cases like Trayvon Martin and Mike Brown and used them to stoke up racial resentment. And then white privilege came on the scene and it was obvious how hateful these people are.

Gay marriage =/= trans issues. There’s a lot of people who are pro-LGB but not T. As I’ve heard before from some people in the LGB community, “Pro-LGB and fuck the T”.

So really gay marriage has nothing to do with any of this.

It's almost assumed that we are some kind of hive mind or something.