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Do you accept the rule of our wizard overlords IRL

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Grahnol
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Postby Grahnol » Mon Oct 21, 2019 1:14 am

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Black Moon Archmagocracy wrote:I would like to argue for the supremacy of IRL wizard rule, but first a little bit on its IRL history. In ancient China, the Emperor was a High Priest. What most people may not know is that he is also basically a wizard. See, in real old times he sacrifices to the spirits and reads portents and signs. On the side of this, even pre-Confucius, there develops the Li, basically, ritual standards, or moral exemplars, such as persons. The Emperor of course, as a sage, would be a ritual master. His “virtue” is considered as setting everything right in the land, just by his moral exemple. All of this is basically Magic.

As we come closer to the Warring States, however, we get the Mohist school, who try to argue for more “objective” models, called FA, using for instance the sun as an example of a of a benevolent force. Developing out of Li, Fa measures a given thing, and then measures something against itself, to see if they match. The Emperor is to be like the sun, promoting worthies without discrimination.

Anyway, this basically develops, by administrators like Shen Buhai, into an idea for mechanical administration. Basically, the emperor has “names” of different administratators, much the same way, as high priest and diviner of portents, he had a book of spirits with ITS result. The ministers, or their positions, are named after their proposed projects. The emperor takes the proposed projects, and then looks at the reports and finally attempts to determine the congruence between proposal and result, or “word/name” against the reality. The results can direct policy and promotion almost mechanically.

While part of the FA would just become Law, this side of it in particular would be characterized as Administrative Technique, or Shu, with its practitioners called “FA Shu Zi Shi” or “Men of Methods”, with the recommendation that the Emperor shrowd the Shu in secrecy. Modernly, Fa Shu or method-technique can be translated as Magic. Go ahead and look up FaShu.
https://www.mdbg.net/chinese/dictionary ... wdqb=FaShu

A secondary definition of wizard today is, “a help feature of a software package that automates complex tasks by asking the user a series of easy-to-answer questions.” Basically a more modern version of our Fa-Shu. A political system that operated firstly on such wizards, that is, mechanically, or rather computer operated administrative method could, based on this and the history, therefore count as a magocracy run by archmagi, and It’s operators, or administrative-programmers, should don wizard clothing. Much as the Chinese themselves wore no?

Though this could include some democracy, it should follow operationally developed, reality-developed protocol, considered of course as intelligently written and correct. This is superior to a simple democracy based on populist shenanigan whose protocol, i.e. constitution, is more in the BACKGROUND, though checked against, and is essentially a development out of constitutionalism, but without the fetishization of it. Many people have suggested that constitutionalism is the better part of the Republican or democratic idea, no?

Economically, one can also direct the economy through decentralized, if modulated, semi self-correcting AI networks utilizing user inputs, bringing us the Communism that was always inevitable, as I have stated in the past. Is this not basically an elaboration of the ancient protocol which measure things against themselves and their original criterion, etc? Why not merge law and programming? Merge administration, economy and programming? Select personnel according to protocols - run it through an AI. Shift resources, checking AI generated performances. Direct robots. Managed by decentralized proletarian programming-administrative archmagi.

Projects and policies can finally be elaborated, together, as computer programs, or Daemons in Unix terms, bringing the Chinese high wizard into a modern, technological realization, and Communism out of the archaic Stalinist model utilizing purely human planning.

Do you accept the feasibility and rule of our wizard overlords, who, if incorporating any programming capable person, could just as well include you? Will you don the wizards hat? You have nothing to lose but your chains no?


Going to bet that magical drugs prescribed by said wizards are the secret to the success of the Chinese economy.

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Black Moon Archmagocracy
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Postby Black Moon Archmagocracy » Mon Oct 21, 2019 1:56 am

Grahnol wrote:Going to bet that magical drugs prescribed by said wizards are the secret to the success of the Chinese economy.]

China is still working on the whole rule of law thing, though it’s been emphasized and talked about, but is applied more to the party, which is said to have a remarkable method for personnel selection and filtration, and no longer so based on ideology for quite some time. Not as much civil rights as I’d like, but the utilization of methods for personnel selection, a little more sensible than plain democracy perhaps? Behind Brazil in GDP per capita, but still ahead of the US in some metrics.

Also... measuring the per capita of Tiny countries against a behemoth? Though, in the first place, China has not emphasized pure GDP growth, utilizing “market socialism” over a pure transition to capitalism as avoiding the crises of Eastern Europe, especially as would result in unemployment. Belarus similarily has arguably the best economy in Eastern Europe. But then I wasn’t arguing for the market socialism of a developing country...?
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Postby Risottia » Mon Oct 21, 2019 2:26 am

Black Moon Archmagocracy wrote: China has not emphasized pure GDP growth, utilizing “market socialism” over a pure transition to capitalism as avoiding the crises of Eastern Europe,

AHAHAHAHAHAH!
Chinese "socialism". PRC is about as socialist as the owners of the orphanage where Oliver Twist was kept.

especially as would result in unemployment. Belarus similarily has arguably the best economy in Eastern Europe.

Considering how the unemployment is at 3.8% in Poland, 3.7% in Hungary, 4.0% in Romania, and 1.9% in Czechia, while it is 5.6% in Belarus, I call bullshit.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_c ... yment_rate

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Czechia 37k$/person, Slovenia 37 k$/person, Slovakia 35 k$/person, Lithuania 35 k$/person, Poland 32 k$/person, Belarus 20 k$/person.

Black Moon Archmagocracy wrote:China is still working on the whole rule of law thing,


Translation: China is the land of autocracy and arbitrary application of power.
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Postby Black Moon Archmagocracy » Mon Oct 21, 2019 2:46 am

Risottia wrote:Considering how the unemployment is at 3.8% in Poland, 3.7% in Hungary, 4.0% in Romania, and 1.9% in Czechia, while it is 5.6% in Belarus, I call bullshit.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_c ... yment_rate

I said “avoiding a crises”, not bestowing unlimited grace for all time.
Reform is needed, though I’m not sure it will be a liberal one from my understanding of the trends....

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Postby Risottia » Mon Oct 21, 2019 2:47 am

Black Moon Archmagocracy wrote:
Risottia wrote:Considering how the unemployment is at 3.8% in Poland, 3.7% in Hungary, 4.0% in Romania, and 1.9% in Czechia, while it is 5.6% in Belarus, I call bullshit.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_c ... yment_rate

I said “avoiding a crises”, not bestowing unlimited grace for all time.

False.

You wrote:
Black Moon Archmagocracy wrote: Belarus similarily has arguably the best economy in Eastern Europe.
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Postby Baltenstein » Mon Oct 21, 2019 4:27 am

Is this like in one of those WWII schizo tech scenarios, where the Nazis will always (no exceptions) be the ones with the Zombie cyborgs, the Allies the ones with the rayguns and jetpacks, and the Soviets the ones with the badass and/or creepy witches with psychic powers?

You know, like this.
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Postby Bassoe » Tue Oct 22, 2019 6:40 pm

So basically, you read Dan Simmons’ Ilium and thought Prospero had the right idea? Seriously this is basically exactly what Prospero attempted.

Did you miss just how badly it backfired on him?

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Postby Genivaria » Tue Oct 22, 2019 6:41 pm

Dude how high are you?

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Postby The Two Jerseys » Tue Oct 22, 2019 6:46 pm

I bet right now the conservative evangelicals are getting raging hard-ons at the thought of killing communist wizards for God and Uncle Sam.
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Postby Nakena » Tue Oct 22, 2019 6:52 pm

Genivaria wrote:Dude how high are you?


Idk but I can get myself to that level easily by a cup coffee or two.

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Postby Xmara » Tue Oct 22, 2019 6:56 pm

OP, did you, by chance, get your wisdom teeth out recently? Just curious.
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Postby DACOROMANIA » Tue Oct 22, 2019 7:04 pm

I could make a better "communist rule" system than most of idealistic people. The problem is that many wants something that may bring some parts of tyranny, slavery or oppression over the people.

I've read of "ultra-stalinism" tyranny being proposed, but a "magical" one made by wizards is something new. I bet that this could evolve later into a cult that could involve human sacrifices. Have you seen the movie "Apocalypto"? Now you get to the point. Surely some tyrants like Nero or Caligula would wanted to rule such an "Archmagery" with sacrifices made in his honor as a "living god"... So, where's Himmler (the SS chief) to make this official?
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Postby Xuloqoia » Tue Oct 22, 2019 7:29 pm

Xmara wrote:OP, did you, by chance, get your wisdom teeth out recently? Just curious.


I can't really speak for OP's case, but after I had my wisdom teeth removed, I not only felt excruciating pain (I couldn't get the typical anesthetics because they'd conflict with my medications), but I also ended up with a horrible mouth infection that took quite a few weeks to resolve. During that time, I was unable to eat "normal" food. It sucked, tbh.
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Postby Alpes a Septentrionali Imperium » Tue Oct 22, 2019 7:33 pm

So, Communism as enforced my our supreme wizard overlords, expect our supreme wizard overlords are AI? What!? I'd rather like Communism as done by actual wizard overlords, I mean Communist Gandalf is something I'd much rather prefer.
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Postby Xuloqoia » Tue Oct 22, 2019 7:39 pm

Alpes a Septentrionali imperium wrote:So, Communism as enforced my our supreme wizard overlords, expect our supreme wizard overlords are AI? What!?


No, it makes complete sense. The techno-archmagi use rituals in order to commune with the "gods within the machines" (super-intelligent AIs with powers rivaling the pagan gods of yore) in order to achieve True CommunismTM due to the unparalleled economic and fiscal foresight of the machines. Hence: communist wizards.
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Postby Alpes a Septentrionali Imperium » Tue Oct 22, 2019 7:47 pm

Xuloqoia wrote:
Alpes a Septentrionali imperium wrote:So, Communism as enforced my our supreme wizard overlords, expect our supreme wizard overlords are AI? What!?


No, it makes complete sense. The techno-archmagi use rituals in order to commune with the "gods within the machines" (super-intelligent AIs with powers rivaling the pagan gods of yore) in order to achieve True CommunismTM due to the unparalleled economic and fiscal foresight of the machines. Hence: communist wizards.



Ah. I'm sorry for I did not understand the intricacies of the Techno-Archmagi and their rituals. I have not yet achieved levels of enlightenment to understand the True CommunismTM given by the rituals used to commune with the "gods within the machines". Forgive me for my insolence.
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Postby Xuloqoia » Tue Oct 22, 2019 7:50 pm

Alpes a Septentrionali imperium wrote:
Xuloqoia wrote:
No, it makes complete sense. The techno-archmagi use rituals in order to commune with the "gods within the machines" (super-intelligent AIs with powers rivaling the pagan gods of yore) in order to achieve True CommunismTM due to the unparalleled economic and fiscal foresight of the machines. Hence: communist wizards.



Ah. I'm sorry for I did not understand the intricacies of the Techno-Archmagi and their rituals. I have not yet achieved levels of enlightenment to understand the True CommunismTM given by the rituals used to commune with the "gods within the machines". Forgive me for my insolence.


My friend, soon you and I will be as galaxy-brained as OP. Soon, my friend. :p
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Postby Xmara » Wed Oct 23, 2019 6:57 pm

Xuloqoia wrote:
Xmara wrote:OP, did you, by chance, get your wisdom teeth out recently? Just curious.


I can't really speak for OP's case, but after I had my wisdom teeth removed, I not only felt excruciating pain (I couldn't get the typical anesthetics because they'd conflict with my medications), but I also ended up with a horrible mouth infection that took quite a few weeks to resolve. During that time, I was unable to eat "normal" food. It sucked, tbh.

I was wondering if the OP was tripping on anesthesia or pain meds but okay
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Postby Vetalia » Wed Oct 23, 2019 7:05 pm

Central planning is inherently problematic because it has no way to adequately address the economic calculation problem. Ultimately, with the use of technology to aid in the planning process you could reduce its inefficiency but it would still be far inferior to market determination of how to use resources.

Unless, of course, we reached a state of true post-scarcity in which case central planning would be obsolete anyways.
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Postby The Great Swedish Empire » Thu Oct 24, 2019 12:58 am

We honestly need more joke threads like these. Loved it. Gonna start preaching at Hogwarts now about the glories of communism.
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Postby Xuloqoia » Thu Oct 24, 2019 5:25 am

The Great Swedish Empire wrote:We honestly need more joke threads like these. Loved it. Gonna start preaching at Hogwarts now about the glories of communism.


While this thread is indeed a joke, I regret to inform you that the thread OP actually believes this.
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Postby Alpes a Septentrionali Imperium » Thu Oct 24, 2019 8:35 pm

Xuloqoia wrote:
The Great Swedish Empire wrote:We honestly need more joke threads like these. Loved it. Gonna start preaching at Hogwarts now about the glories of communism.


While this thread is indeed a joke, I regret to inform you that the thread OP actually believes this.



That explains some things, I think. I'm not really sure how the OP justifies that AI "wizards" will eventually lead to the communist utopia he dreams of, but no matter. Anyway, time to go back to explaining the Communist Manifesto to Sauron.
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Postby Konolas » Wed Oct 30, 2019 4:10 am

This has to be a joke right?
If not then op are you a child?
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Postby The Grims » Wed Oct 30, 2019 4:33 am

Xuloqoia wrote:I'm not even being facetious when I say this: sure OP's idea may be highly unorthodox, but it's an idea so unorthodox that it might just be the thing needed to shake up a complacent status quo. Ave Machina, I guess.


Machine overlords that provide for humans and enforce something resembling communism is hardly a new or original idea. At least in scifi.

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Postby Tankmenistan » Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:17 pm

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