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Archmage Manifesto: the destiny of communist wizard rule

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Do you accept the rule of our wizard overlords IRL

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Archmage Manifesto: the destiny of communist wizard rule

Postby Black Moon Archmagocracy » Mon Oct 21, 2019 12:04 am

I would like to argue for the supremacy of IRL wizard rule, but first a little bit on its IRL history. In ancient China, the Emperor was a High Priest. What most people may not know is that he is also basically a wizard. See, in real old times he sacrifices to the spirits and reads portents and signs and records the results. On the side of this, even pre-Confucius, there develops the Li, basically, ritual standards, or moral exemplars, such as persons. The Emperor of course, as a sage, would be a ritual master. His “virtue” is considered as setting everything right in the land, just by his moral example. All of this is basically Magic.

As we come closer to the Warring States, however, we get the Mohist school, who try to argue for more “objective” models, called FA, using for instance the sun as an example of a of a benevolent force. Developing out of Li, Fa measures a given thing, and then measures something against itself, to see if they match. The Emperor is to be like the sun, promoting worthies without discrimination.

Anyway, this basically develops, by administrators like Shen Buhai, into an idea for mechanical administration. Basically, the emperor has “names” of different administratators, much the same way, as high priest and diviner of portents, he had a book of spirits with ITS result. The ministers, or their positions, are named after their proposed projects. The emperor takes the proposed projects, and then looks at the reports and finally attempts to determine the congruence between proposal and result, or “word/name” against the reality. The results can direct policy and promotion almost mechanically.

While part of the FA would just become Law, this side of it in particular would be characterized as Administrative Technique, or Shu, with its practitioners called “FA Shu Zi Shi” or “Men of Methods”, with the recommendation that the Emperor shrowd the Shu in secrecy. Modernly, Fa Shu or method-technique can be translated as Magic. Go ahead and look up FaShu.
https://www.mdbg.net/chinese/dictionary ... wdqb=FaShu

A secondary definition of wizard today is, “a help feature of a software package that automates complex tasks by asking the user a series of easy-to-answer questions.” Basically a more modern version of our Fa-Shu. A political system that operated firstly on such wizards, that is, mechanically, or rather computer operated administrative method could, based on this and the history, therefore count as a magocracy run by archmagi, and It’s operators, or administrative-programmers, should don wizard clothing. Much as the Chinese themselves wore no?

Though this could include some democracy, it should follow operationally developed, reality-based protocol, considered of course as intelligently written and correct. This is superior to a simple democracy based on populist shenanigan whose protocol, i.e. constitution, is more in the BACKGROUND, though checked against, and is essentially a development out of constitutionalism, but without the fetishization of it. Many people have suggested that constitutionalism is the better part of the Republican or democratic idea, no?

Economically, one can also direct the economy through decentralized, if modulated, semi self-correcting AI networks utilizing user inputs, bringing us the Communism that was always inevitable, as I have stated in the past. Is this not basically an elaboration of the ancient protocol which measure things against themselves and their original criterion, etc? Why not merge law and programming? Merge administration, economy and programming? Select personnel according to protocols - run it through an AI. Shift resources, checking AI generated performances. Direct robots. Managed by decentralized proletarian programming-administrative archmagi.

Projects and policies can finally be elaborated, together, as computer programs, or Daemons in Unix terms, bringing the Chinese high wizard into a modern, technological realization, and Communism out of the archaic Stalinist model utilizing purely human planning.

Do you accept the feasibility and rule of our wizard overlords, who, if incorporating any programming capable person, could just as well include you? Will you don the wizards hat? You have nothing to lose but your chains no?
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Postby Neanderthaland » Mon Oct 21, 2019 12:08 am

It's like he saw the "Inevitability of Communism" threads and said, "hold my beer."
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Postby Black Moon Archmagocracy » Mon Oct 21, 2019 12:09 am

Neanderthaland wrote:It's like he saw the "Inevitability of Communism" threads and said, "hold my beer."

No, I wrote those.
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Postby Xuloqoia » Mon Oct 21, 2019 12:11 am

Congratulations on making an ideology so niche that not even the 100-axis ideological categorization system can classify it properly.
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Postby Raider Clans » Mon Oct 21, 2019 12:11 am

"Communist Wizard Rule." ok
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Mon Oct 21, 2019 12:13 am

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Postby Hirota » Mon Oct 21, 2019 12:18 am

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Black Moon Archmagocracy wrote:
Neanderthaland wrote:It's like he saw the "Inevitability of Communism" threads and said, "hold my beer."

No, I wrote those.
Ah, that explains that.
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Postby Kowani » Mon Oct 21, 2019 12:18 am

Neanderthaland wrote:It's like he saw the "Inevitability of Communism" threads and said, "hold my beer."

You couldn’t tell it was the same guy?
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Postby Neanderthaland » Mon Oct 21, 2019 12:21 am

Kowani wrote:
Neanderthaland wrote:It's like he saw the "Inevitability of Communism" threads and said, "hold my beer."

You couldn’t tell it was the same guy?

In my defense, I clearly picked up on the similarity right away. I just mistakenly assumed Newbie McNoposts was new.
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Postby Xuloqoia » Mon Oct 21, 2019 12:23 am

You know, I've realized that this thread is peak NSG; the thread OP is truly a galaxy-brained archmage. I mean, we all might as well quit, for not even Comrade Posadas is as based and woke as the thread OP. :p
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Postby Kowani » Mon Oct 21, 2019 12:28 am

Neanderthaland wrote:
Kowani wrote:You couldn’t tell it was the same guy?

In my defense, I clearly picked up on the similarity right away. I just mistakenly assumed Newbie McNoposts was new.

Your defense is found insufficient, and thus, are sentenced to a year’s hard labor, mining crystals for the communist wizards.
Spanish Atheist.
If an area was ours for 500 years and yours for 50 years, it should belong to us – you are merely occupiers.
If an area was yours for 500 years and ours for 50 years, it should belong to us – borders must not be changed.
If an area belonged to us 500 years ago but never since then, it should belong to us – it is the cradle of our nation.
If a majority of our people live there, it must belong to us – they must enjoy the right of self-determination.
If a minority of our people live there, it must belong to us – they must be protected against your oppression.
All of the above rules apply to us, but not to you.
Our dream of greatness is historical necessity, yours is fascism.

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Postby Samadhi » Mon Oct 21, 2019 12:31 am

It's china, the world's longest running nothing burger.
The place literally made gunpowder unimportant, why should anyone care what the ruler of such a place told everyone they were.

I'm a wizard guys, honest!
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Postby Neanderthaland » Mon Oct 21, 2019 12:32 am

Kowani wrote:
Neanderthaland wrote:In my defense, I clearly picked up on the similarity right away. I just mistakenly assumed Newbie McNoposts was new.

Your defense is found insufficient, and thus, are sentenced to a year’s hard labor, mining crystals for the communist wizards.

In Gulazkaban
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Postby Nakena » Mon Oct 21, 2019 12:32 am

Xuloqoia wrote:You know, I've realized that this thread is peak NSG; the thread OP is truly a galaxy-brained archmage. I mean, we all might as well quit, for not even Comrade Posadas is as based and woke as the thread OP. :p


Clearly the bestest thread on NSG right now. No doubt. And yes he might be beyond Comrade Posadas in term of pure baysedness. :^)
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Postby Black Moon Archmagocracy » Mon Oct 21, 2019 12:33 am

Samadhi wrote:It's china, the world's longest running nothing burger.
The place literally made gunpowder unimportant, why should anyone care what the ruler of such a place told everyone they were.!

The Song actually did use gunpowder, or like bomb launchers or some such against the mongols, It just didn’t win them the war. Dem horses and all that. But then, the Romans didn’t use Steam power, so a lack of foresight is hardly unique or a first.
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Postby Kowani » Mon Oct 21, 2019 12:34 am

Samadhi wrote:It's china, the world's longest running nothing burger.
The place literally made gunpowder unimportant, why should anyone care what the ruler of such a place told everyone they were.

I'm a wizard guys, honest!

Your ignorance of Chinese history is showing.

Neanderthaland wrote:
Kowani wrote:Your defense is found insufficient, and thus, are sentenced to a year’s hard labor, mining crystals for the communist wizards.

In Gulazkaban

I laughed harder than I should’ve.
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If an area was ours for 500 years and yours for 50 years, it should belong to us – you are merely occupiers.
If an area was yours for 500 years and ours for 50 years, it should belong to us – borders must not be changed.
If an area belonged to us 500 years ago but never since then, it should belong to us – it is the cradle of our nation.
If a majority of our people live there, it must belong to us – they must enjoy the right of self-determination.
If a minority of our people live there, it must belong to us – they must be protected against your oppression.
All of the above rules apply to us, but not to you.
Our dream of greatness is historical necessity, yours is fascism.

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Postby Samadhi » Mon Oct 21, 2019 12:35 am

Black Moon Archmagocracy wrote:
Samadhi wrote:It's china, the world's longest running nothing burger.
The place literally made gunpowder unimportant, why should anyone care what the ruler of such a place told everyone they were.!

The Song actually did use gunpowder, or like bombs or some such against the mongols, It just didn’t win them the war. Dem horses and all that.



Snore, everything about the place is dull.
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Postby Xuloqoia » Mon Oct 21, 2019 12:36 am

Nakena wrote:
Xuloqoia wrote:You know, I've realized that this thread is peak NSG; the thread OP is truly a galaxy-brained archmage. I mean, we all might as well quit, for not even Comrade Posadas is as based and woke as the thread OP. :p


Clearly the bestest thread on NSG right now. No doubt. And yes he might be beyond Comrade Posadas in term of pure baysedness. :^)


I'd need a small mountain's worth of nose-candy to even begin to ascend to the levels that OP is functioning on. Truly the pre-eminent thinker of our time, and possibly even all time :p
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Mon Oct 21, 2019 12:36 am

Kowani wrote:
Neanderthaland wrote:In my defense, I clearly picked up on the similarity right away. I just mistakenly assumed Newbie McNoposts was new.

Your defense is found insufficient, and thus, are sentenced to a year’s hard labor, mining crystals for the communist wizards.


But OP is already a Meth Eater.
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Postby Black Moon Archmagocracy » Mon Oct 21, 2019 12:37 am

Kowani wrote:Your ignorance of Chinese history is showing.

My focus was on pre-imperial China, my post Qin knowledge is more general, focusing on the Han.
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Postby Kowani » Mon Oct 21, 2019 12:38 am

Black Moon Archmagocracy wrote:
Kowani wrote:Your ignorance of Chinese history is showing.

My focus was on pre-imperial China, my post imperial knowledge is more general, focusing on the Han.

No, not yours. Yours is fine. I was talking about Samadhi.
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If an area was ours for 500 years and yours for 50 years, it should belong to us – you are merely occupiers.
If an area was yours for 500 years and ours for 50 years, it should belong to us – borders must not be changed.
If an area belonged to us 500 years ago but never since then, it should belong to us – it is the cradle of our nation.
If a majority of our people live there, it must belong to us – they must enjoy the right of self-determination.
If a minority of our people live there, it must belong to us – they must be protected against your oppression.
All of the above rules apply to us, but not to you.
Our dream of greatness is historical necessity, yours is fascism.

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Postby Samudera Darussalam » Mon Oct 21, 2019 12:42 am

Communist wizard rule.....alright.
So it means that there is no no-maj?

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Postby Nakena » Mon Oct 21, 2019 12:43 am

Xuloqoia wrote:You know, I've realized that this thread is peak NSG; the thread OP is truly a galaxy-brained archmage. I mean, we all might as well quit, for not even Comrade Posadas is as based and woke as the thread OP. :p


I can get there with just a cup of coffee ez pz.

And it actually does makes more sense then you think like a Techno-Mage.
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Postby Servilis » Mon Oct 21, 2019 12:50 am

Dumb Ideologies wrote:All hail Lord Voldemarx!

"Lord Voldemarx"
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Postby Xuloqoia » Mon Oct 21, 2019 1:07 am

I'm not even being facetious when I say this: sure OP's idea may be highly unorthodox, but it's an idea so unorthodox that it might just be the thing needed to shake up a complacent status quo. Ave Machina, I guess.
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