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Lebanon’s WhatsApp Revolution

Postby Aureumterra » Sun Oct 20, 2019 9:42 am

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The Lebanese government on Friday scrapped a a 20-cent (€0.18) daily charge on voice calls made through WhatsApp just hours after announcing it.
The move came after thousands of protesters took to the streets in anger at the state's handling of economic policies and the tax on calls made through the voice-over-internet protocol (VoIP), used by applications including WhatsApp, Facebook calls and FaceTime.
Police and security forces fired tear gas at protesters as they tried to push through security barriers around the government headquarters. It was one of the biggest demonstrations the country has seen in years.
Telecommunications Minister Mohamed Choucair said that the 20-cent fee will not go into effect and that the Lebanese Prime Minister Saad Hariri had requested the policy reversal.

Despite the backdown, protesters continue to demand economic reform. "We are not here over WhatsApp, we are here over everything: over fuel, food, bread, over everything," said Abdullah, a protester in the capital Beirut.
"We are asking for jobs, for our rights, electricity, water, we are demanding education," said another protester.
Demonstrators gathered in Beirut's Riad al-Solh square, some waving Lebanese flags and chanting, "the people want to topple the regime" and "we need a revolution."
DW's Diana Hodali in Beirut said the city was "literally burning." Almost all major roads were "blocked by burning tires and garbage," she wrote on Twitter.
"The protests were sparked by the plan to raise taxes on VoIP," Hodali said. "But they are a culmination of recent shortages like bread and fuel. There is rampant corruption and a complete mismanagement of public funds.”

Some demonstrators also caused damage to shops and street signs. The mass protest is the second in less than a month.
The Red Cross said they transferred 22 people suffering from respiratory problems due to the police tear gas and that they treated 77 people on the spot for various minor injuries.
Lebanon's Interior Ministry said about 40 members of is security forces were injured while 60 police officers were reportedly wounded in the clashes.
According to local media, two foreign workers were suffocated by a protest fire that spread to a nearby building in Beirut and that rescuers were also in the process of pulling out bodies and dousing the flames.

The Lebanese government had declared a state of "economic emergency" after the country developed a stagnating economy exacerbated by a financial crisis.
In another unpopular decision, Information Minister Jamal al-Jarrah had announced that ministers would discuss a bill to raise value-added tax by 2 percentage points in 2021 and a further 2 percentage points in 2022, until it reached 15%.
The government is seeking new ways to grapple its widening deficit. Lebanon is one of the world's most heavily indebted countries.


Basically, the biggest protests in Lebanon in decades have been taking place over the last 3 days, nicknamed the “WhatsApp Revolution.” This came after Lebanon’s government decided to charge €0.18 per WhatsApp voice call, basically forcing people to pay money for making a wifi call. Lebanon has massive national debt, and that has caused many resource shortages in the country. What’s your opinion on these protests?

I think this is the endgame of massive national debt, not just for Lebanon, but for every country. National debt is like a silent monster, it slowly gets larger and larger, and by the time people notice, its too big. This is an eerie premonition of what could happen if national debt goes unchecked for too long, and I hope politicians in the West would pay more attention to this rather than argue about whether or not vaccines cause autism.
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Postby Vivolkha » Sun Oct 20, 2019 9:59 am

What was the point of taxing WhatsApp voice calls? Uganda-style* repression? Since when has Lebanon done that?
Anyway, from what I know, the Lebanese political system has been disfunctional for years due to its sectarian, communalist foundation. This includes severe gridlock, including electoral delays, as well as problems such as the recent garbage crisis. A national census has not been conducted since 1932 because its ethnic and religious composition is a sensitive issue and the agreements in which the political system is based no longer reflects the different communities' demographic weight.

What Lebanon might need is a more orthodox political system that allows cross-sectarian parties, perhaps even a rework of the different laws applying to different communities too. There should be another, better way to represent its different communities, and a national census should be conducted. It is actually a very complex problem, to maintain all this different groups in harmony.

*Uganda has a special tax on social media designed to keep as much people away from them as possible, as a repressive measure to limit public discussion.
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Postby Rojava Free State » Sun Oct 20, 2019 10:09 am

It isn't just that they raised a tax on whatsapp. They raised other taxes as well and meanwhile gave corporate bailouts to several industries such as the pharmaceutical corporations. They basically said "here's some free money for big businesses, now let's make the average person in Lebanon pay." It's funny seeing nasrallah standing against the government stepping down considering how certain people used to champion him and his movement as a grassroots hero. This week it's become too clear that Hezbollah in the present day is fighting for the ruling class in their battle against the poor.

The Lebanese government, rife with corruption and elitism, needs to be totally liquidated

https://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/origin ... nment.html

https://www.france24.com/en/20191018-pr ... ew-taxes-1
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Rojava Free State wrote:It isn't just that they raised a tax on whatsapp. They raised other taxes as well and meanwhile gave corporate bailouts to several industries such as the pharmaceutical corporations. They basically said "here's some free money for big businesses, now let's make the average person in Lebanon pay." It's funny seeing nasrallah standing against the government stepping down considering how certain people used to champion him and his movement as a grassroots hero. This week it's become too clear that Hezbollah in the present day is fighting for the ruling class in their battle against the poor.

The Lebanese government, rife with corruption and elitism, needs to be totally liquidated

https://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/origin ... nment.html

https://www.france24.com/en/20191018-pr ... ew-taxes-1

Hezbollah is a terrorist proxy, its getting harder and harder to defend them
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Postby Billuria » Sun Oct 20, 2019 10:14 am

I have always loved the Lebanese people. I hope they win their rightful cause. Love you Lebanon from Kurdistan.
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Postby Arevastan » Sun Oct 20, 2019 10:18 am

Aureumterra wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:It isn't just that they raised a tax on whatsapp. They raised other taxes as well and meanwhile gave corporate bailouts to several industries such as the pharmaceutical corporations. They basically said "here's some free money for big businesses, now let's make the average person in Lebanon pay." It's funny seeing nasrallah standing against the government stepping down considering how certain people used to champion him and his movement as a grassroots hero. This week it's become too clear that Hezbollah in the present day is fighting for the ruling class in their battle against the poor.

The Lebanese government, rife with corruption and elitism, needs to be totally liquidated

https://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/origin ... nment.html

https://www.france24.com/en/20191018-pr ... ew-taxes-1

Hezbollah is a terrorist proxy, its getting harder and harder to defend them

It's not even a proxy, it's an outright terrorist organization which has stakes in a fucking country. This just goes to show you how deep-rooted corruption is in the Lebanese government.
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Postby Vivolkha » Sun Oct 20, 2019 10:28 am

Arevastan wrote:
Aureumterra wrote:Hezbollah is a terrorist proxy, its getting harder and harder to defend them

It's not even a proxy, it's an outright terrorist organization which has stakes in a fucking country. This just goes to show you how deep-rooted corruption is in the Lebanese government.

It's way more complex than that, with the history of the group being related with the Syrian occupation of Lebanon (Syria is an ally of Iran) and since the civil war the Lebanese government has been mostly unable to control militia groups in the country. Corruption is rife, indeed, but Hezbollah is not a byproduct of corruption.
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Postby Arevastan » Sun Oct 20, 2019 10:56 am

Vivolkha wrote:
Arevastan wrote:It's not even a proxy, it's an outright terrorist organization which has stakes in a fucking country. This just goes to show you how deep-rooted corruption is in the Lebanese government.

It's way more complex than that, with the history of the group being related with the Syrian occupation of Lebanon (Syria is an ally of Iran) and since the civil war the Lebanese government has been mostly unable to control militia groups in the country. Corruption is rife, indeed, but Hezbollah is not a byproduct of corruption.

What I meant was that if even a terrorist organization can gain a sizeable foothold in a government, to the point where it can dictate certain policies, then you have a problem with corruption.
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Postby Aureumterra » Sun Oct 20, 2019 10:58 am

Arevastan wrote:
Vivolkha wrote:It's way more complex than that, with the history of the group being related with the Syrian occupation of Lebanon (Syria is an ally of Iran) and since the civil war the Lebanese government has been mostly unable to control militia groups in the country. Corruption is rife, indeed, but Hezbollah is not a byproduct of corruption.

What I meant was that if even a terrorist organization can gain a sizeable foothold in a government, to the point where it can dictate certain policies, then you have a problem with corruption.

Especially an openly anti-Semitic holocaust denial one supported by Iran and glorified by Al Jazeera
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Postby Risottia » Sun Oct 20, 2019 11:01 am

Aureumterra wrote:Basically, the biggest protests in Lebanon in decades have been taking place over the last 3 days, nicknamed the “WhatsApp Revolution.” This came after Lebanon’s government decided to charge €0.18 per WhatsApp voice call, basically forcing people to pay money for making a wifi call. Lebanon has massive national debt, and that has caused many resource shortages in the country. What’s your opinion on these protests?

I'm totally sure that social media corps have no interest at all in supporting protests against a tax that would make a dent in their profits.

I think this is the endgame of massive national debt, not just for Lebanon, but for every country. National debt is like a silent monster, it slowly gets larger and larger, and by the time people notice, its too big. This is an eerie premonition of what could happen if national debt goes unchecked for too long, and I hope politicians in the West would pay more attention to this rather than argue about whether or not vaccines cause autism.

Especially since if you increase taxes on anything but the income of the lower classes to repay the national debt, you'll have revolts.
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Postby Vivolkha » Sun Oct 20, 2019 11:02 am

Arevastan wrote:
Vivolkha wrote:It's way more complex than that, with the history of the group being related with the Syrian occupation of Lebanon (Syria is an ally of Iran) and since the civil war the Lebanese government has been mostly unable to control militia groups in the country. Corruption is rife, indeed, but Hezbollah is not a byproduct of corruption.

What I meant was that if even a terrorist organization can gain a sizeable foothold in a government, to the point where it can dictate certain policies, then you have a problem with corruption.

No, you have a problem with lack of government authority and lack of state monopoly over force. Corruption is a different but real problem. The only link that I can possibly see ties back to Lebanon's sectarian-based political system.
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