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Should Quebec be Independent?

Yes
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14%
Yes, but with a schengen-style arrangement with Canada
10
15%
Not sure
5
8%
No, status quo
21
32%
No, Quebec should have its autonomy reduced
15
23%
New France 2.0
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Total votes : 65

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Postby Pacomia » Sun Oct 20, 2019 11:33 am

Sundiata wrote:This rings true for the United States as well, where there is only one place worth living in.

What
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Postby Sundiata » Sun Oct 20, 2019 11:48 am

Pacomia wrote:
Sundiata wrote:This rings true for the United States as well, where there is only one place worth living in.

What
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Postby Sovaal » Sun Oct 20, 2019 11:56 am

Quebec should be independent and the Anglo parts of Canada should be American territory, change my mind.
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Postby Dresderstan » Sun Oct 20, 2019 11:59 am

If Quebec becomes independent, what will happen with the Atlantic provinces, something I think most Quebec separtists rarely even talk about.

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Postby The Two Jerseys » Sun Oct 20, 2019 12:00 pm

Sovaal wrote:Quebec should be independent and the Anglo parts of Canada should be American territory, change my mind.

It's funny because Steven Crowder is part French Canadian and makes fun of Quebec all the time.
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Postby Rio Cana » Sun Oct 20, 2019 12:19 pm

You cannot blame the French Canadians, the rest of Canada should know by now that an accent goes over the second letter "e" - Quebéc. :o :lol:
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Postby Pacomia » Sun Oct 20, 2019 1:03 pm

Sundiata wrote:
Pacomia wrote:What
Yeah, it's a secret though.

Pacific Northwest.
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Postby Kowani » Sun Oct 20, 2019 1:37 pm

Pacomia wrote:
Sundiata wrote:Yeah, it's a secret though.

Pacific Northwest.

That’s an odd way to spell California.
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Postby Pacomia » Sun Oct 20, 2019 2:32 pm

Kowani wrote:
Pacomia wrote:Pacific Northwest.

That’s an odd way to spell California.

Too hot. Give it back to Mexico.
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Postby Heloin » Sun Oct 20, 2019 2:44 pm

Dresderstan wrote:If Quebec becomes independent, what will happen with the Atlantic provinces, something I think most Quebec separtists rarely even talk about.

The Maritimes and Newfoundland and Labrador will become there own country, with blackjack and hookers.

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Postby Samudera Darussalam » Sun Oct 20, 2019 2:49 pm

The Two Jerseys wrote:Quebec isn't the favorite child.

It's the bratty stepchild that Canada spoils because it wants Quebec to like them.

I guess this summarize the situation enough.

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Postby Senkaku » Sun Oct 20, 2019 2:52 pm

I've always wondered why our northern neighbors give their French-speaking brethren such special treatment tbh lol

It's not like it's the most populous province, it's like 8 million people who aren't even all French-Canadian
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Sun Oct 20, 2019 2:59 pm

Senkaku wrote:I've always wondered why our northern neighbors give their French-speaking brethren such special treatment tbh lol

It's not like it's the most populous province, it's like 8 million people who aren't even all French-Canadian

Because they never got the memo that the French Canadians are now vastly outnumbered and any rebellion by them would be swiftly suppressed.
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Postby Saturna1ia » Sun Oct 20, 2019 3:05 pm

The last time I traveled to Quebec was in the Summer of 2016 to Montréal and Quebec City during a brief Study Abroad course. The main focus was on Quebec's culture, Montréal's sustainable development plan, and the pros/cons of NAFTA. One of the Quebecois Nationalist talking points I heard a lot was that Provinces to the North had less stringent regulations on waste dumping into rivers which flowed down into Quebec and through Montréal. I don't know how true this point is, but I feel as though Quebec would have an easer time pressuring the other Provinces as a part of Canada. Also, as a US citizen I'd rather there be one, unified neighbor to our North than two neighbors. Makes trade and customs easier.
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Postby Stellar Colonies » Sun Oct 20, 2019 3:20 pm

Kowani wrote:
Pacomia wrote:Pacific Northwest.

That’s an odd way to spell California.

You have to be joking.
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Postby Napkizemlja » Sun Oct 20, 2019 3:47 pm

Proctopeo wrote:
Pacomia wrote:I totally agree. Quebec and French-speakers have a disproportionate amount of power in Canada to the majority Anglos. They should not be given special privileges just because they were one of the founding peoples of Canada. That was then, this is now, and now there’s more people from other places.

Oh, and politicians having to learn French is also stupid. If I live in Saskatchewan, why should I have to learn a language that almost nobody else from Saskatchewan speaks?

This is the big reason why Quebec has so much power and influence in Canada now - significantly more French-Canadians are English-French bilingual than Anglo-Canadians, and that requirement makes them over-represented in government.

It makes it worse that even for provincial and municipal level government jobs, being bilingual puts you up front even if the province and/or municipality doesn't have a large French speaking population.
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Postby Napkizemlja » Sun Oct 20, 2019 3:49 pm

Dresderstan wrote:If Quebec becomes independent, what will happen with the Atlantic provinces, something I think most Quebec separtists rarely even talk about.

Still part of Canada?
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Postby New haven america » Sun Oct 20, 2019 4:01 pm

Senkaku wrote:I've always wondered why our northern neighbors give their French-speaking brethren such special treatment tbh lol

It's not like it's the most populous province, it's like 8 million people who aren't even all French-Canadian

Because most of Canadian history was spent discriminating against French Canadians, mainly by suppressing their culture, language, getting Anglo-Canadians to move in and overrun Quebec, etc... And then around the 1900's, Quebec which at the time was the most economically powerful province and controlled the largest city in the country, had more French-Canadian taking control of the province which caused a rebirth of French/Quebec ideas and nationalism throughout the province, which involved things like exiling mono-language English speakers from the province, embracing Quebec nationalism, etc...

This came to a head in the 90's where Quebec held an independence referendum and the independence group almost won. This freaked out the rest of Canada and as such, they've been paying more service to Quebec and giving it more autonomy in its laws and standards, mainly to avoid having the country split in half by Quebec deciding to become independent.
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Postby New haven america » Sun Oct 20, 2019 4:03 pm

Dresderstan wrote:If Quebec becomes independent, what will happen with the Atlantic provinces, something I think most Quebec separtists rarely even talk about.

They'd still be part of Canada, mainly because of UHC. If the US had a UHC system though, they've admitted that they wouldn't mind joining the US.

Saskatchewan kinda went insane though and even made a plan in the 90's that if Quebec becomes independent then they're joining the US, which would make the contiguous US look like it's flipping off the world.
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Postby Pacomia » Sun Oct 20, 2019 4:05 pm

New haven america wrote:
Dresderstan wrote:If Quebec becomes independent, what will happen with the Atlantic provinces, something I think most Quebec separtists rarely even talk about.

They'd still be part of Canada, mainly because of UHC. If the US had a UHC system though, they've admitted that they wouldn't mind joining the US.

Saskatchewan kinda went insane though and even made a plan in the 90's that if Quebec becomes independent then they're joining the US.

Would that be all that bad for Canada?

Oh right, agriculture.
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Postby Luziyca » Sun Oct 20, 2019 4:11 pm

I can honestly see why he might think that way, since there is that perception that Quebec gets a lot more from the rest of the country than it gives in return.

But I am not entirely sure if this is true: at best, we just don't want to deal with the prospect of Canada breaking up again, and honestly, I think it has paid off, what with sovereignty of Quebec not being on the table.

That said, as for my personal opinions regarding Quebecois separation, I'm apathetic: as a Saskatchewanian, it's probably not going to affect my day-to-day life in the least. While we will basically become no-name America if they do leave, if the Quebecois want to leave Canada, that is fine.

Just have a fucking plan in place so that leaving Canada doesn't take as long as fucking Brexit.
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Postby New haven america » Sun Oct 20, 2019 4:14 pm

Luziyca wrote:I can honestly see why he might think that way, since there is that perception that Quebec gets a lot more from the rest of the country than it gives in return.

But I am not entirely sure if this is true: at best, we just don't want to deal with the prospect of Canada breaking up again, and honestly, I think it has paid off, what with sovereignty of Quebec not being on the table.

That said, as for my personal opinions regarding Quebecois separation, I'm apathetic: as a Saskatchewanian, it's probably not going to affect my day-to-day life in the least. While we will basically become no-name America if they do leave, if the Quebecois want to leave Canada, that is fine.

Just have a fucking plan in place so that leaving Canada doesn't take as long as fucking Brexit.

Yeah, uh, Saskatchewan in the 90's made plans that if Quebec ever became independent then they're joining the US.

So there is a large chance it will affect your day-to-day life if you don't move.
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Postby New haven america » Sun Oct 20, 2019 4:15 pm

Pacomia wrote:
New haven america wrote:They'd still be part of Canada, mainly because of UHC. If the US had a UHC system though, they've admitted that they wouldn't mind joining the US.

Saskatchewan kinda went insane though and even made a plan in the 90's that if Quebec becomes independent then they're joining the US.

Would that be all that bad for Canada?

Oh right, agriculture.

I mean, it's generally not considered a good thing when massive swaths of your country starts running away or breaking apart.
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Postby Luziyca » Sun Oct 20, 2019 4:22 pm

New haven america wrote:
Luziyca wrote:I can honestly see why he might think that way, since there is that perception that Quebec gets a lot more from the rest of the country than it gives in return.

But I am not entirely sure if this is true: at best, we just don't want to deal with the prospect of Canada breaking up again, and honestly, I think it has paid off, what with sovereignty of Quebec not being on the table.

That said, as for my personal opinions regarding Quebecois separation, I'm apathetic: as a Saskatchewanian, it's probably not going to affect my day-to-day life in the least. While we will basically become no-name America if they do leave, if the Quebecois want to leave Canada, that is fine.

Just have a fucking plan in place so that leaving Canada doesn't take as long as fucking Brexit.

Yeah, uh, Saskatchewan in the 90's made plans that if Quebec ever became independent then they're joining the US.

So there is a large chance it will affect your day-to-day life if you don't move.

Perhaps it would. Perhaps we will get dragged into the US and lose our precious healthcare.

But I think the way things stand right now, I doubt that Saskatchewan would dust off those plans if Quebec were to secede.
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Postby Napkizemlja » Sun Oct 20, 2019 4:23 pm

New haven america wrote:
Luziyca wrote:I can honestly see why he might think that way, since there is that perception that Quebec gets a lot more from the rest of the country than it gives in return.

But I am not entirely sure if this is true: at best, we just don't want to deal with the prospect of Canada breaking up again, and honestly, I think it has paid off, what with sovereignty of Quebec not being on the table.

That said, as for my personal opinions regarding Quebecois separation, I'm apathetic: as a Saskatchewanian, it's probably not going to affect my day-to-day life in the least. While we will basically become no-name America if they do leave, if the Quebecois want to leave Canada, that is fine.

Just have a fucking plan in place so that leaving Canada doesn't take as long as fucking Brexit.

Yeah, uh, Saskatchewan in the 90's made plans that if Quebec ever became independent then they're joining the US.

So there is a large chance it will affect your day-to-day life if you don't move.

I wasn't aware it was still the 90's.

As for me here in the Prairies, I want Quebec to leave.
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