Separate schools for ill-behaved students

[Kowani]

Today I learned Somalia is a unified country.

Somalia is a bandit-ridden African basketcase.

That’s odd. I thought violence was the “most sublime power of man.” Or does that just apply to violence you like?

Don't be stupid. Even in the most civilized nations of the West, there are a great many leeching demographics which could stand to be purged mercilessly.

You might want to go back to Economics class.

[Bolivarian Amerikwa]

Why is that a bad thing? If I was of poor genetic quality, maybe less people like me should exist. Maybe if I was honest I would recognise that I suffer for my innate flaws and issues, and not wish those upon people who will come after me. If I was of low genetic quality and my descendants were for sure going to be subhumans, and I was holding back the existence of a better man in the future by polluting the gene pool with my presence in it, why should I personally have any qualms with you removing me from it? If you were to go as far as personally blowing my brains out I might kick and scream and whine just like people who jump off bridges generally regret it after they're flying off the edge because I have the brain of an animal that it programmed to survive for as long as possible and propagate its genes, but morally and rationally I still don't really see the issue with it. If a government that actually (for the first time in the better half of a century since it was discontinued all over Europe and North America) cared about bettering the human condition saw it fit to remove me from the gene pool, I don't see what qualms I could have with it. Why should I? If somebody was to knock on my door and clinically list all my heritable negative attributes which make society a filthier, more violent, lower-trust, stupider, uglier place when a large number of people have them, what argument can I realistically come up with against what they're doing? If a really epic government handed me a piece of paper with "stupid high time preference piece of shit retard" under my name, what am I supposed to say? I didn't know people were entitled to reproduce, and I'm pretty sure that a selling point of abortions is that people in poverty (which has a genetic component) getting them prevent the suffering of their potential progeny.

https://thoughtcatalog.com/roseminda-na ... ed-parent/

https://rootedinrights.org/disabled-peo ... -children/

And note: most children born of handicapped parents are not handicapped themselves.

I'll take "regression to the mean" for 200, Alex
General intelligence is still heritable and most people stupid enough for it to matter are still not outliers like that.

[The Free Joy State]

]Don't be stupid. Even in the most civilized nations of the West, there are a great many leeching demographics which could stand to be purged mercilessly.

You might want to go back to Economics class.

Hey! Class... Which brings us nicely back to schools, the topic of the thread. [/notamod]

Of course, I've already said why I think that separate schools for children who are less than perfect is a stupid idea. All children deserve a chance to thrive.

[Tupolite]

Somalia is a bandit-ridden African basketcase.

That’s odd. I thought violence was the “most sublime power of man.” Or does that just apply to violence you like?

Don't be stupid. Even in the most civilized nations of the West, there are a great many leeching demographics which could stand to be purged mercilessly.

You might want to go back to Economics class.

Why is it that every thread in NSG has to get hijacked by exasperating cretins like you?

[Bolivarian Amerikwa]

That’s odd. I thought violence was the “most sublime power of man.” Or does that just apply to violence you like?


You might want to go back to Economics class.

Why is it that every thread in NSG has to get hijacked by exasperating cretins like you?

Why is it that people with a worldview closest to yours carry water jugs on their heads and their behaviour is only ok when white people do it?

[Tupolite]

Why is it that every thread in NSG has to get hijacked by exasperating cretins like you?

Why is it that people with a worldview closest to yours carry water jugs on their heads?

Far more people than you can imagine of European ancestry share views more similar to mine than yours. You are, as I said, a technocratic positivist, and if it weren't for your frequent and gratuitous references to blacks and talk of eugenics, your character would be better approximated by the smug bureaucratic leftist whores that the working peoples of Europe and America have grown increasingly intolerant of.

[Kowani]

You might want to go back to Economics class.

Hey! Class... Which brings us nicely back to schools, the topic of the thread. [/notamod]

Of course, I've already said why I think that separate schools for children who are less than perfect is a stupid idea. All children deserve a chance to thrive.

Beyond that, it’s just a self-fulfilling prophecy. I’m sure isolating the troublemakers and putting them with other miscreants totally won’t backfire. At all.

That’s odd. I thought violence was the “most sublime power of man.” Or does that just apply to violence you like?


You might want to go back to Economics class.

Why is it that every thread in NSG has to get hijacked by exasperating cretins like you?

Hi jacked by me? Mirrors are 10$ at Target. Try some self reflection.

[Tupolite]

For the sake of not having a cerebral hemorrhage, I will be abandoning this discussion. Good day.

[Bolivarian Amerikwa]

Why is it that people with a worldview closest to yours carry water jugs on their heads?

Far more people than you can imagine of European ancestry share views more similar to mine than yours. You are, as I said, a technocratic positivist, and if it weren't for your frequent and gratuitous references to blacks and talk of eugenics, your character would be better approximated by the smug bureaucratic leftist whores that the working peoples of Europe and America have grown increasingly intolerant of.

wignats mad (x24)
if those people get hung in roblox I'm happy though so let's hope white working gamers rise up

[Reploid Productions]

exasperating cretins like you?

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[Bolivarian Amerikwa]

I’m sure isolating the troublemakers and putting them with other miscreants totally won’t backfire. At all.

Dysfunction begets dysfunction.
A lot of these people are stupid and violent down to the bases of their DNA and their lives by middle school are already dumpster fires.
Normal children do well to keep their distance from these people normally, we might as well help them
They will be paying taxes to feed them eventually anyway, let them have peace while they're young

[Kowani]

I’m sure isolating the troublemakers and putting them with other miscreants totally won’t backfire. At all.

Dysfunction begets dysfunction.
A lot of these people are stupid and violent down to the bases of their DNA and their lives by middle school are already dumpster fires.
Normal children do well to keep their distance from these people normally, we might as well help them

You gonna provide sources for any of those assertions?

[Bolivarian Amerikwa]

Dysfunction begets dysfunction.
A lot of these people are stupid and violent down to the bases of their DNA and their lives by middle school are already dumpster fires.
Normal children do well to keep their distance from these people normally, we might as well help them

You gonna provide sources for any of those assertions?

The average IQ of people in prisons and the average IQ of juvenile delinquents is demonstrably low
The obvious genetic influence on IQ (you need genes to build a brain and regulate its functions) that gets passed on when small gamete people and big gamete people grind against each other
People who behave like dumb dumbs are dumb dumbs and their can spread the cause of being dumb dumbs by having sex and producing more dumb dumbs. The obvious solution is to manage society in a way that ensures minimal dumb dumbs make up the next generation and we are continuously incrementally improving the genetic stock that our society is made up of. This is obviously immoral in some way though, or so I hear from people.

[Reploid Productions]

Dysfunction begets dysfunction.
A lot of these people are stupid and violent down to the bases of their DNA and their lives by middle school are already dumpster fires.
Normal children do well to keep their distance from these people normally, we might as well help them
They will be paying taxes to feed them eventually anyway, let them have peace while they're young

The average IQ of people in prisons and the average IQ of juvenile delinquents is demonstrably low
The obvious genetic influence on IQ (you need genes to build a brain and regulate its functions) that gets passed on when small gamete people and big gamete people grind against each other
People who behave like dumb dumbs are dumb dumbs and their can spread the cause of being dumb dumbs by having sex and producing more dumb dumbs. The obvious solution is to manage society in a way that ensures minimal dumb dumbs make up the next generation and we are continuously incrementally improving the genetic stock that our society is made up of. This is obviously immoral in some way though, or so I hear from people.

That's a whole lot of words purely trolling school-age kids that don't fit your narrow perspective of "good". And given your history across previous puppets, we're skipping the pleasantries.

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[Estanglia]

You might want to go back to Economics class.

Hey! Class... Which brings us nicely back to schools, the topic of the thread. [/notamod]

Of course, I've already said why I think that separate schools for children who are less than perfect is a stupid idea. All children deserve a chance to thrive.

Pretty much this.

All separating kids will do is worsen their chances at life, and I don't want a single penny of taxpayer money to go to a project whose entire goal seems to be "fuck over these specific kids for life". Not only is that a waste of money, all it does is worsen society.

[State of Turelisa]

Two more words: doesn't work.

Balderdash. It's just like any other form of operant conditioning. Use presentation of a negative stimulus to decrease frequency of behavior. I maintain the strongest conviction that men can be disciplined if smacked with a large enough stick.

The avoidance of pain is one of the primary human motives and it's present in even people who can't be appealed to with reason. That's why corporal punishment is essential to
developing discipline in children as well as a solution for intimidating morally obtuse adults into compliance as part of a pragmatic criminal justice system.

[Arcturus Novus]

Seems like we’re really eager to streamline the school-to-prison pipeline with this proposal. What benefits could possibly arise from punitively segregating children from their peers because they’re not acting as they should?

[Totenborg]

Seems like we’re really eager to streamline the school-to-prison pipeline with this proposal. What benefits could possibly arise from punitively segregating children from their peers because they’re not acting as they should?

None. None at all. Segregation has never worked to the benefit of society, despite the constant attempts at its implementation by stubborn individuals.

[-Ocelot-]

Seems like we’re really eager to streamline the school-to-prison pipeline with this proposal. What benefits could possibly arise from punitively segregating children from their peers because they’re not acting as they should?

Preventing bullying, sexual harassment and improving quality of school for the rest of the students.

[Totenborg]

Seems like we’re really eager to streamline the school-to-prison pipeline with this proposal. What benefits could possibly arise from punitively segregating children from their peers because they’re not acting as they should?

Preventing bullying, sexual harassment and improving quality of school for the rest of the students.

Not even a little.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Seems like we’re really eager to streamline the school-to-prison pipeline with this proposal. What benefits could possibly arise from punitively segregating children from their peers because they’re not acting as they should?

Preventing bullying, sexual harassment and improving quality of school for the rest of the students.

It's not always the kids who get the attention of school staff for bad behaviour who are the worst bullies, you know. Often it's the popular and well-liked kids.

[Elwher]

When I was in High school (cue woolly mammoth jokes ) the city had one school downtown that had two functions. First, the official one was as a vocational school, training non-college bound students for careers in the skilled trades. Second, it was a final destination for those who, for whatever reason, found it impossible to follow the rules of behavior in the other schools.

Both of these were valuable functions that should be revived. The former would work towards ameliorating the shortage of plumbers, electricians, carpenters and the like while providing a career path for those who find the book work of college not to their liking. That, however, is a topic for another thread.

The second was equally valuable. First, those of us who either did not misbehave (or were clever enough to not get caught) were able to continue our education without the disruptions caused by the necessity of disciplinary action taken against the miscreants. That made the classrooms more conducive to learning. Second, the threat of being sent there was often sufficient to convince the marginal trouble makers to change their ways. Finally, the vocational center was mainly staffed by large male teachers, often ex Marines. This kept the teachers safe, both in that school and in the rest of the system, by intimidating those who might otherwise assault them.

[Katganistan]

The thought of jerks being punished for their behaviour with menial jobs has become a popular revenge fantasy, yet we are relying on capitalism to do it.

Capitalism, in case you haven't noticed, doesn't have a strong track record on dispensing justice.

However, we already have a good picture even by middle school of what sort of person someone is. Some of them have a track record of repeatedly touching classmates inappropriately. Some have a track record of being as respectful as possible to classmates and teachers alike. Some have a track record of multiple acts of violence. Some of them wouldn't hurt a fly.

Clearly, they are not all equally worthy of others' tax dollars, let alone equally worthy the same jobs.

When an adult breaks the law, they go to prison. Their criminal record pretty much precludes them from working anywhere other than prison. By creating an exception for teenagers (who, historically, were considered adults) we're at worst incentivizing a "now or never" approach to crime, and at best we're flipping off better people by saying they get nothing for being better people.

So why not just segregate people in high school, based on prior behaviour, into schools for those who are morally upstanding citizens and schools for those who are not? Whatever happened to "act like a thug and you'll be treated like one"?

Two words: corporal punishment.

Not legal in many places, and for good reason.

Two more words: doesn't work.

Balderdash. It's just like any other form of operant conditioning. Use presentation of a negative stimulus to decrease frequency of behavior. I maintain the strongest conviction that men can be disciplined if smacked with a large enough stick.

Or simply learn that the way to force others to do what you want is to hit them harder with a bigger stick.
Or a gun.
So yeah, that's not going to work the way you intend it.

That’s odd. I thought violence was the “most sublime power of man.” Or does that just apply to violence you like?


You might want to go back to Economics class.

Why is it that every thread in NSG has to get hijacked by exasperating cretins like you?

TIL that logical arguments and education make one a cretin, whilst advocating violence and brutality make one -- a genius?

Balderdash. It's just like any other form of operant conditioning. Use presentation of a negative stimulus to decrease frequency of behavior. I maintain the strongest conviction that men can be disciplined if smacked with a large enough stick.

The avoidance of pain is one of the primary human motives and it's present in even people who can't be appealed to with reason. That's why corporal punishment is essential to
developing discipline in children as well as a solution for intimidating morally obtuse adults into compliance as part of a pragmatic criminal justice system.

Does recidivism mean anything in your little violent worldview? You know, being surrounded by criminals, in places that don't attempt rehabilitation but only punishment, tends to make people incarcerated there worse criminals who re-offend.

No one here is saying allow children who are violent to beat up other children. But there is a big difference between Johnny Class Clown being thrown into an alternative school and Suzie Snide Remarks being tossed aside as 'human garbage', and kids who are truly, demonstrably dangerous being put into prisons.

Seems like we’re really eager to streamline the school-to-prison pipeline with this proposal. What benefits could possibly arise from punitively segregating children from their peers because they’re not acting as they should?

There is big business in convicts being used as underpaid labor.

Seems like we’re really eager to streamline the school-to-prison pipeline with this proposal. What benefits could possibly arise from punitively segregating children from their peers because they’re not acting as they should?

Preventing bullying, sexual harassment and improving quality of school for the rest of the students.

Then you REALLY don't understand who is doing the majority of bullying and harassing. It's the privileged kids whose mama bear Karens come up, Starbucks in hand, waving around a perfectly manicured hand, screaming not my kid.

[Luminesa]

In my experience, bullies are not always backed by spoiling parents, sometimes they’ve just got low self-esteem or they just have bad attitudes. The girl who bullied me in school had a very kind and friendly mother who hated to see her kid being such a brat. But other than that, yeah, Kat pretty much hit it on the head. When kids are spoiled into thinking they’re always the victim even when they do wrong, that’s when the spoiling parents come marching in. Or they send their kid with a note to tell the teacher they don’t know how to do their jobs.

[Kowani]

Balderdash. It's just like any other form of operant conditioning. Use presentation of a negative stimulus to decrease frequency of behavior. I maintain the strongest conviction that men can be disciplined if smacked with a large enough stick.

The avoidance of pain is one of the primary human motives and it's present in even people who can't be appealed to with reason. That's why corporal punishment is essential to
developing discipline in children as well as a solution for intimidating morally obtuse adults into compliance as part of a pragmatic criminal justice system.

Which is why the US prison system has the world’s lowest recidivism rate.