UK Politics Thread XI: Boris' Big Bombastic Brexit Bash

[Ifreann]

Why? What promises did Labour make that could be consider broken by allowing EU nationals and people aged 16 or 17 to vote?

Plenty -- i.e. prohibiting migrants from seeking access to the benefits system (until 5 years of residence? I forgot), ending freedom of movement including refusing it in a Brexit deal, work with trade unions to end illegal immigration. Promises made since the 2017 manifesto include things like Abbott saying they will only allow migrants into the country if the have applied and been accepted for a job before migrating, excluding family reunions and refugees.

These promises which are in effect "let's decrease immigration" will be pretty empty to anyone who cares about them, having seen the actions Labour have taken.

It is tantamount to promising to end inequality and raise wages for the poorest in a manifesto then sneaking in tax cuts for the 1% on a Tuesday night when no one's watching. In itself the action is not contradictory to the statements and promises, but the intent to break them is pretty obvious for anyone who isn't gullible.

Allowing EU nationals already resident in the UK to vote in the UK isn't contrary to the spirit of decreasing immigration. Allowing people aged 16 and 17 to vote certainly isn't.

[Gormwood]

So now even the Scottish Unionist papers are admitting that Independence is likely.

As well as predicting that the SNP will sweep all the Scottish seats.

The United Kingdoms no more all for the want of a hog's head.

[Greed and Death]

So now even the Scottish Unionist papers are admitting that Independence is likely.

As well as predicting that the SNP will sweep all the Scottish seats.

The United Kingdoms no more all for the want of a hog's head.

It is still the UK you have Wales. Just replace Saint Andrew's cross with the Dragon, And Scottish blue with Welsh Green.

[Vassenor]

The United Kingdoms no more all for the want of a hog's head.

It is still the UK you have Wales. Just replace Saint Andrew's cross with the Dragon, And Scottish blue with Welsh Green.

Wales has been a part of the Kingdom of England for centuries.

[Greed and Death]

It is still the UK you have Wales. Just replace Saint Andrew's cross with the Dragon, And Scottish blue with Welsh Green.

Wales has been a part of the Kingdom of England for centuries.

Yeah but they have been devolved power as well. We can view them as separate kingdoms to keep the cool name.

Of course the English could refuse to recognize the Scots and set up a blockade and starve those bloody Scots into submission.

[Heloin]

The United Kingdoms no more all for the want of a hog's head.

It is still the UK you have Wales. Just replace Saint Andrew's cross with the Dragon, And Scottish blue with Welsh Green.

Cymraeg and Kernowyon independence time?

[Philjia]

Interesting thing about North Belfast, is that SF has seen consistent growth there in essentially every election and was only 2k votes off of taking it in the last election seeing a +7.8 swing in their vote compared to a DUP -0.8.

SF could possibly unseat Nigel Dodds which would be fucking hilarious. It would also be the first time a nationalist MP has taken Belfast North.

With that in mind...
UUP break with tradition of Unionist electoral pacts, announce plans to stand in all 18 seats. The DUP are very angry indeed.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Interesting thing about North Belfast, is that SF has seen consistent growth there in essentially every election and was only 2k votes off of taking it in the last election seeing a +7.8 swing in their vote compared to a DUP -0.8.

SF could possibly unseat Nigel Dodds which would be fucking hilarious. It would also be the first time a nationalist MP has taken Belfast North.

With that in mind...
UUP break with tradition of Unionist electoral pacts, announce plans to stand in all 18 seats. The DUP are very angry indeed.

Good, split that vote and fuck over the DUP. Wouldnt mind if they nabbed a seat or two themselves.

[Major-Tom]

What the hell is Swinson smoking?.

[Vassenor]

What the hell is Swinson smoking?.

Assuming they're guaranteed to pick up every single Pro Remain voter?

[Philjia]

What the hell is Swinson smoking?.

I don't know but I'd rather like some because I'd like to be able to feel that confident.

[The New California Republic]

What the hell is Swinson smoking?.

I had a leaflet through the door today saying she would be the next PM.

Yeah, only if all Labour and Tory voters keel over. *Pats Swinson on head*

[Crysuko]

does labour have a chance of securing enough seats?









well no, obviously. but will they lose well enough to be taken seriously

[Ifreann]

A man of many parties.

[Philjia]

does labour have a chance of securing enough seats?
...
well no, obviously. but will they lose well enough to be taken seriously

No but let's pretend they could run a minority government to make ourselves feel better.

[Dooom35796821595]

What the hell is Swinson smoking?.

“We can go to Ikea, and buy all the seats we need! It’s perfect!”

[Hirota]

What the hell is Swinson smoking?.

Well, she is the leader of the largest english party committed to remaining in the EU, and 48% of people voted to remain, and Brexit is the largest single issue (at least according to yougov polls).

So yeah, maybe the Lib Dems will do well if they get another Cleggmania going (or rather a Swinmania?). I rather suspect they'll harm Labour more than the Tories though, and ultimately those two squabbling for second and splitting votes in constituencies is only going to help the other party.

Edit: Huh, I was completely wrong. The seats Lib Dems need to target are apparently disproportionately Tory. I'd be curious how those constituencies voted in the 2016 ref.

[Major-Tom]

A man of many parties.

Best thing I've seen all day, hate that pompous toad.

[Major-Tom]

What the hell is Swinson smoking?.

Well, she is the leader of the largest english party committed to remaining in the EU, and 48% of people voted to remain, and Brexit is the largest single issue (at least according to yougov polls).

So yeah, maybe the Lib Dems will do well if they get another Cleggmania going (or rather a Swinmania?). I rather suspect they'll harm Labour more than the Tories though, and ultimately those two squabbling for second and splitting votes in constituencies is only going to help the other party.

Edit: Huh, I was completely wrong. The seats Lib Dems need to target are apparently disproportionately Tory. I'd be curious how those constituencies voted in the 2016 ref.

Yeah, I just don't see "Swinmania," and your edit makes perfect sense - generally the LibDems would place 2nd throughout Southern English constituencies where voters are affluent and highly educated.

I could see the LibDems picking up, oh, let's say 20 or so seats. As someone else mentioned, I'd really love what Swinson is smoking, I'd like to believe that by slightly tweaking my life trajectory that I can be the cream of the crop.

[Salandriagado]

Well, she is the leader of the largest english party committed to remaining in the EU, and 48% of people voted to remain, and Brexit is the largest single issue (at least according to yougov polls).

So yeah, maybe the Lib Dems will do well if they get another Cleggmania going (or rather a Swinmania?). I rather suspect they'll harm Labour more than the Tories though, and ultimately those two squabbling for second and splitting votes in constituencies is only going to help the other party.

Edit: Huh, I was completely wrong. The seats Lib Dems need to target are apparently disproportionately Tory. I'd be curious how those constituencies voted in the 2016 ref.

Yeah, I just don't see "Swinmania," and your edit makes perfect sense - generally the LibDems would place 2nd throughout Southern English constituencies where voters are affluent and highly educated.

I could see the LibDems picking up, oh, let's say 20 or so seats. As someone else mentioned, I'd really love what Swinson is smoking, I'd like to believe that by slightly tweaking my life trajectory that I can be the cream of the crop.

Electoral Calculus has them at 31, with current polls. Playing around a bit, it looks like they could plausibly push that up to ~50 without any massive swings. Not sure where she's getting 100 from, though.

[South Odreria 2]

So is Nigel going to screw the tories over or what

[Shrillland]

So is Nigel going to screw the tories over or what

Not likely. They're averaging 12% at the moment, If anything, the Lib Dems could screw them over more since they're polling around 20%.

[Thermodolia]

A man of many parties.

I got Lib Dem

[Thermodolia]

So is Nigel going to screw the tories over or what

Not likely. They're averaging 12% at the moment, If anything, the Lib Dems could screw them over more since they're polling around 20%.

Granted those numbers for Brexit was prior to the extension being granted. Since the UK isn’t likely to leave until the next year. So those numbers might rise

[Major-Tom]

Not likely. They're averaging 12% at the moment, If anything, the Lib Dems could screw them over more since they're polling around 20%.

Granted those numbers for Brexit was prior to the extension being granted. Since the UK isn’t likely to leave until the next year. So those numbers might rise

Who knows - at the last minute, some right-leaning and Brexit oriented voters may plug their nose and vote Tory to avoid splitting the right-wing vote. Britain isn't like the US or Australia where both major parties have resolute and unwavering bases - a lot of people remain undecided until the last minute.