UK Politics Thread XI: Boris' Big Bombastic Brexit Bash

[SD_Film Artists]

I wonder if Labour will join the Lib Dems in an anti-Brexit alliance. It worked in a recent by-election so Corbyn should consider it if he's serious about stopping a Tory Brexit.

He might as well hand in his Bennite members card then.

This is the problem Corbs has - he's a Bennite Eurosceptic who is only in power because of the firmly pro-EU momentum. The two are diametrically opposed.

True, but I'd still expect momentum to be against an alliance out of pure tribalism, along with the oldschool Wherekin Men's Club types who might not even know who the Lib Dems are.

[Ifreann]

Gerrymandering refers to the manipulation of boundaries of an electoral constituency

Potato potato, still the same thing.

The same way citizens are able to. You allow them. UK election law allows citizens of specified countries to vote in your elections. The Brexit referendum wasn't limited to British citizens either.

Doesn't alter my point at all, Labour is trying to expand their vote in their advantage, but probably to the detriment of their northern pro-leave voters who see their attempts to "make foreigners vote" as an abomination and a clear break of Labour's brexit & migration promises, so even more likely to vote bxp/tory than before.

I dunno, are you sure that the northern Labour voter hates foreigners?

[Philjia]

Richard Braine has resigned as leader of UKIP following his suspension for allegedly stealing data from party members. UKIP has had five leaders since Nigel Farage stepped down in 2016, six if you include Nigel Farage's term as interim leader.

[The New California Republic]

Richard Braine has resigned as leader of UKIP following his suspension for allegedly stealing data from party members. UKIP has had five leaders since Nigel Farage stepped down in 2016, six if you include Nigel Farage's term as interim leader.

UKIP's slide continues unabated.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Richard Braine has resigned as leader of UKIP following his suspension for allegedly stealing data from party members. UKIP has had five leaders since Nigel Farage stepped down in 2016, six if you include Nigel Farage's term as interim leader.

Should just disband the party at this rate, their dad aint coming back.

[Ifreann]

Richard Braine has resigned as leader of UKIP following his suspension for allegedly stealing data from party members. UKIP has had five leaders since Nigel Farage stepped down in 2016, six if you include Nigel Farage's term as interim leader.

Should just disband the party at this rate, their dad aint coming back.

Apparently he's in DC for a Trump fundraiser.

[Philjia]

Richard Braine has resigned as leader of UKIP following his suspension for allegedly stealing data from party members. UKIP has had five leaders since Nigel Farage stepped down in 2016, six if you include Nigel Farage's term as interim leader.

Should just disband the party at this rate, their dad aint coming back.

They no longer exist as a meaningful force in politics, it was pretty obvious they were over after the 2017 election.

[The New California Republic]

Should just disband the party at this rate, their dad aint coming back.

Apparently he's in DC for a Trump fundraiser.

His Twitter feed doesn't make mention of it, but the last tweet was 18 hours ago, so that'd make sense.

[The New California Republic]

Should just disband the party at this rate, their dad aint coming back.

They no longer exist as a meaningful force in politics, it was pretty obvious they were over after the 2017 election.

I mean, I know some parties have come back from the brink in the past, but I don't think that'll happen this time.

[Ifreann]

Apparently he's in DC for a Trump fundraiser.

His Twitter feed doesn't make mention of it, but the last tweet was 18 hours ago, so that'd make sense.

I can't imagine he'd want to advertise that he's out of the country backing a foreign leader when a general election is afoot, but I have seen it said that he was spotted in a DC bar near where the Trump fundraiser was being held.

[The New California Republic]

His Twitter feed doesn't make mention of it, but the last tweet was 18 hours ago, so that'd make sense.

I can't imagine he'd want to advertise that he's out of the country backing a foreign leader when a general election is afoot, but I have seen it said that he was spotted in a DC bar near where the Trump fundraiser was being held.

Makes sense, if in doubt look in the bars to find Farage.

[Salandriagado]

Gerrymandering refers to the manipulation of boundaries of an electoral constituency

Potato potato, still the same thing.

The same way citizens are able to. You allow them. UK election law allows citizens of specified countries to vote in your elections. The Brexit referendum wasn't limited to British citizens either.

Doesn't alter my point at all, Labour is trying to expand their vote in their advantage, but probably to the detriment of their northern pro-leave voters who see their attempts to "make foreigners vote" as an abomination and a clear break of Labour's brexit & migration promises, so even more likely to vote bxp/tory than before.

Sure, and giving women the vote was also done for explicitly party-political reasons. That doesn't make it, in any way, a bad thing.

[Vassenor]

Yes but that gets in the way of the #notracistbut.

[Dumb Ideologies]

Yes but that gets in the way of the #notracistbut.

imagine thinking this sort of cringey debate-averse slur-slinging is remotely helpful to your side of the argument

[Dooom35796821595]

Yes but that gets in the way of the #notracistbut.

https://www.gov.uk/elections-in-the-uk

General Election

General Elections (elections to the UK Parliament) usually take place every 5 years.

To vote in a General Election you must:

be registered to vote
be 18 or over on the day of the election (‘polling day’)
be a British, Irish or qualifying Commonwealth citizen
be resident at an address in the UK (or a British citizen living abroad who has been registered to vote in the UK in the last 15 years)
not be legally excluded from voting

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Because anyone who disagrees with you is racist, right?
Or did Europe suddenly become part of the commonwealth?

[Vassenor]

>Britain Deserves Better


...way to score an own goal, Conservative marketing.

[Ifreann]

Yes but that gets in the way of the #notracistbut.

https://www.gov.uk/elections-in-the-uk

General Election

General Elections (elections to the UK Parliament) usually take place every 5 years.

To vote in a General Election you must:

be registered to vote
be 18 or over on the day of the election (‘polling day’)
be a British, Irish or qualifying Commonwealth citizen
be resident at an address in the UK (or a British citizen living abroad who has been registered to vote in the UK in the last 15 years)
not be legally excluded from voting

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Because anyone who disagrees with you is racist, right?
Or did Europe suddenly become part of the commonwealth?

I have no idea what point you're trying to make by posting the rules of who can vote.

[Cerinda]

Not like anyone cares

Honestly UKIP should just dissolve and join with the Brexit party, they've literally become nothing at this point.

EDIT: Didn't see it was already posted, damnit.

[Vassenor]

Yes but that gets in the way of the #notracistbut.

https://www.gov.uk/elections-in-the-uk

General Election

General Elections (elections to the UK Parliament) usually take place every 5 years.

To vote in a General Election you must:

be registered to vote
be 18 or over on the day of the election (‘polling day’)
be a British, Irish or qualifying Commonwealth citizen
be resident at an address in the UK (or a British citizen living abroad who has been registered to vote in the UK in the last 15 years)
not be legally excluded from voting

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Because anyone who disagrees with you is racist, right?
Or did Europe suddenly become part of the commonwealth?

So what does that have to do with people demanding that the franchise not be extended (to match that used in Local elections already, natch) because then the foreigns will vote?

[Vassenor]

So now even the Scottish Unionist papers are admitting that Independence is likely.

As well as predicting that the SNP will sweep all the Scottish seats.

[Definitely Not Trumptonium]

Potato potato, still the same thing.



Doesn't alter my point at all, Labour is trying to expand their vote in their advantage, but probably to the detriment of their northern pro-leave voters who see their attempts to "make foreigners vote" as an abomination and a clear break of Labour's brexit & migration promises, so even more likely to vote bxp/tory than before.

I dunno, are you sure that the northern Labour voter hates foreigners?

A northern pro-leave Labour voter would probably see Labour promises on migration and Brexit as totally empty and foregone given their actions in trying to amend the bill to allow non-citizens and children to vote. So to answer your point in a tangent, yes.

Potato potato, still the same thing.



Doesn't alter my point at all, Labour is trying to expand their vote in their advantage, but probably to the detriment of their northern pro-leave voters who see their attempts to "make foreigners vote" as an abomination and a clear break of Labour's brexit & migration promises, so even more likely to vote bxp/tory than before.

Sure, and giving women the vote was also done for explicitly party-political reasons. That doesn't make it, in any way, a bad thing.

I didn't ask for your opinion, nor did I state mine. I'm simply saying, northern pro-leave Labour voters have just watched another Labour own-goal.

[Ifreann]

I dunno, are you sure that the northern Labour voter hates foreigners?

A northern pro-leave Labour voter would probably see Labour promises on migration and Brexit as totally empty and foregone given their actions in trying to amend the bill to allow non-citizens and children to vote. So to answer your point in a tangent, yes.

Why? What promises did Labour make that could be consider broken by allowing EU nationals and people aged 16 or 17 to vote?

[Definitely Not Trumptonium]

A northern pro-leave Labour voter would probably see Labour promises on migration and Brexit as totally empty and foregone given their actions in trying to amend the bill to allow non-citizens and children to vote. So to answer your point in a tangent, yes.

Why? What promises did Labour make that could be consider broken by allowing EU nationals and people aged 16 or 17 to vote?

Plenty -- i.e. prohibiting migrants from seeking access to the benefits system (until 5 years of residence? I forgot), ending freedom of movement including refusing it in a Brexit deal, work with trade unions to end illegal immigration. Promises made since the 2017 manifesto include things like Abbott saying they will only allow migrants into the country if the have applied and been accepted for a job before migrating, excluding family reunions and refugees.

These promises which are in effect "let's decrease immigration" will be pretty empty to anyone who cares about them, having seen the actions Labour have taken.

It is tantamount to promising to end inequality and raise wages for the poorest in a manifesto then sneaking in tax cuts for the 1% on a Tuesday night when no one's watching. In itself the action is not contradictory to the statements and promises, but the intent to break them is pretty obvious for anyone who isn't gullible.

[Dooom35796821595]

https://www.gov.uk/elections-in-the-uk

General Election

General Elections (elections to the UK Parliament) usually take place every 5 years.

To vote in a General Election you must:

be registered to vote
be 18 or over on the day of the election (‘polling day’)
be a British, Irish or qualifying Commonwealth citizen
be resident at an address in the UK (or a British citizen living abroad who has been registered to vote in the UK in the last 15 years)
not be legally excluded from voting

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Because anyone who disagrees with you is racist, right?
Or did Europe suddenly become part of the commonwealth?

So what does that have to do with people demanding that the franchise not be extended (to match that used in Local elections already, natch) because then the foreigns will vote?

Because they’re only considering it because they think they’ll vote for them. Short term thinking instead of a general principle that these people should be allowed to vote.
And it’s not people demanding the franchise not be extended, it’s the SNP/Lib Dems wanting more people to vote for them so they can promptly ignore what people want and do what they want.

[Greed and Death]

So now even the Scottish Unionist papers are admitting that Independence is likely.

As well as predicting that the SNP will sweep all the Scottish seats.

Someone tell the Scots the EU wont admit them for many years. The French and Spanish will block them out of fear of encouraging their own separatist movements.