UK Politics Thread XI: Boris' Big Bombastic Brexit Bash

[The Archregimancy]

I do. The Lib Dems are polling strong, but I think it'll be more like the Alliance of old, where they end up just dividing the Remain Left and Centre. Yes, I know there was more to it than that.

jo swinson would rather the tories win than labour win and will do everything in her power to fuck shit up because corbyn bad

Given that I've already written several press releases for my local party in preparation for the election, I can state with some confidence that this isn't true.

We're still scarred by 2010-2015, and will be taking a 'plague on both their houses' approach to the 2019 election. Except that it'll be phrased more professionally.

[Vassenor]

jo swinson would rather the tories win than labour win and will do everything in her power to fuck shit up because corbyn bad

Given that I've already written several press releases for my local party in preparation for the election, I can state with some confidence that this isn't true.

We're still scarred by 2010-2015, and will be taking a 'plague on both their houses' approach to the 2019 election. Except that it'll be phrased more professionally.

I mean she's got a funny way of showing it if that is the case.

[The Archregimancy]

I have taken the liberty of using my modly powers to change the poll and make it a general election poll.

I apologise to everyone who's now going to point out how imperfect the poll is, especially to voters in Northern Ireland who might reasonably object to my conflating the main community-oriented parties into two blocks (and leaving out the Alliance Party).

If I've forgotten any really obvious options, though, send me a TG; I've done this really quickly as a reaction to today's events.

I usually vote Lib Dem, but them being in bed with the SNP for a few days has made me reluctant to touch them.

You see, this is why we can't have nice things in UK politics.

A brief marriage of convenience to push through a specific piece of legislation is being used by some to argue that the LibDems are 'in bed' with the SNP, and by others (notably John McDonnell) to argue that the LibDems are 'in bed' with the Tories.

These two statements are clearly not compatible.

The LibDems are not 'in bed' with the SNP, will continue to oppose the core SNP policy of independence, and are really the only realistic voting option for Unionist Remainers since Davidson's resignation. A brief spell of temporary cooperation on a single piece of legislation is not remotely the same as being 'in bed' with the SNP - a party I roundly detest, as any long-term participants in these threads will know.

If that does constitute being 'in bed' with a party, then any form of discussion of mutual interest between parties - however tightly focused, however temporary - becomes virtually impossible.

[The Archregimancy]

Given that I've already written several press releases for my local party in preparation for the election, I can state with some confidence that this isn't true.

We're still scarred by 2010-2015, and will be taking a 'plague on both their houses' approach to the 2019 election. Except that it'll be phrased more professionally.

I mean she's got a funny way of showing it if that is the case.

I patiently await the day that you show an ability to write a reasoned argument in these threads, as opposed to a snarky off the cuff one-sentence post that makes no attempt to support or develop a theme.

And when that does eventually happen, I'll be the first to applaud your new-found ability to exceed our expectations.

[Vassenor]

I mean she's got a funny way of showing it if that is the case.

I patiently await the day that you show an ability to write a reasoned argument in these threads, as opposed to a snarky off the cuff one-sentence post that makes no attempt to support or develop a theme.

And when that does eventually happen, I'll be the first to applaud your new-found ability to exceed our expectations.

I'm serious. Or are we ignoring the whole GNU debacle?

[Samadhi]

I mean she's got a funny way of showing it if that is the case.

I patiently await the day that you show an ability to write a reasoned argument in these threads, as opposed to a snarky off the cuff one-sentence post that makes no attempt to support or develop a theme.

And when that does eventually happen, I'll be the first to applaud your new-found ability to exceed our expectations.

Daaaaaamn.

[The New California Republic]

I usually vote Lib Dem, but them being in bed with the SNP for a few days has made me reluctant to touch them.

You see, this is why we can't have nice things in UK politics.

A brief marriage of convenience to push through a specific piece of legislation is being used by some to argue that the LibDems are 'in bed' with the SNP, and by others (notably John McDonnell) to argue that the LibDems are 'in bed' with the Tories.

These two statements are clearly not compatible.

The LibDems are not 'in bed' with the SNP, will continue to oppose the core SNP policy of independence, and are really the only realistic voting option for Unionist Remainers since Davidson's resignation. A brief spell of temporary cooperation on a single piece of legislation is not remotely the same as being 'in bed' with the SNP - a party I roundly detest, as any long-term participants in these threads will know.

If that does constitute being 'in bed' with a party, then any form of discussion of mutual interest between parties - however tightly focused, however temporary - becomes virtually impossible.

So it was a chaste marriage?

[Ostroeuropa]

Both the Lib Dems and Labour are suffering from Skitterism.

They're demanding everyone just cooperate but their vision of that is capitulation with everyone else being junior partners. It's not "Let's find a compromise", it's "Do as we say and then we don't have to fight anymore, can't you see this fighting is counter productive?"

They're only saved from full blown Skitterism because they tell eachother what their plan is instead of just assuming people know and then getting angry at them for not "Cooperating" then beating eachother with batons while screaming " You made me do this why can't we just be friends".

[Hydesland]

Obviously it won't happen, but theoretically is it too late for Corbyn to step down to make way for someone who could beat bonkers Boris? Is there someone from the Labour party who could feasibly?

[The Blaatschapen]

You see, this is why we can't have nice things in UK politics.

A brief marriage of convenience to push through a specific piece of legislation is being used by some to argue that the LibDems are 'in bed' with the SNP, and by others (notably John McDonnell) to argue that the LibDems are 'in bed' with the Tories.

These two statements are clearly not compatible.

The LibDems are not 'in bed' with the SNP, will continue to oppose the core SNP policy of independence, and are really the only realistic voting option for Unionist Remainers since Davidson's resignation. A brief spell of temporary cooperation on a single piece of legislation is not remotely the same as being 'in bed' with the SNP - a party I roundly detest, as any long-term participants in these threads will know.

If that does constitute being 'in bed' with a party, then any form of discussion of mutual interest between parties - however tightly focused, however temporary - becomes virtually impossible.

So it was a chaste marriage?

More a I scratch your back, you scratch mine kind of thing.

[Ostroeuropa]

Obviously it won't happen, but theoretically is it too late for Corbyn to step down to make way for someone who could beat bonkers Boris? Is there someone from the Labour party who could feasibly?

Starmer is the current fave among people I know who support Corbyn. Though a contest might show new favourites.

[The New California Republic]

So it was a chaste marriage?

More a I scratch your back, you scratch mine kind of thing.

I'd rather not have Sturgeon scratching my back, thanks.

[Salandriagado]

Both the Lib Dems and Labour are suffering from Skitterism.

They're demanding everyone just cooperate but their vision of that is capitulation with everyone else being junior partners. It's not "Let's find a compromise", it's "Do as we say and then we don't have to fight anymore, can't you see this fighting is counter productive?"

They're only saved from full blown Skitterism because they tell eachother what their plan is instead of just assuming people know and then getting angry at them for not "Cooperating" then beating eachother with batons while screaming " You made me do this why can't we just be friends".

Wait, was that a fucking Worm reference?

[Ostroeuropa]

Both the Lib Dems and Labour are suffering from Skitterism.

They're demanding everyone just cooperate but their vision of that is capitulation with everyone else being junior partners. It's not "Let's find a compromise", it's "Do as we say and then we don't have to fight anymore, can't you see this fighting is counter productive?"

They're only saved from full blown Skitterism because they tell eachother what their plan is instead of just assuming people know and then getting angry at them for not "Cooperating" then beating eachother with batons while screaming " You made me do this why can't we just be friends".

Wait, was that a fucking Worm reference?

Yes. I will always reference worm if it's applicable.

[Vassenor]

Also there's a postal strike imminent. That could shake things up a little.

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

Assuming the general election is going to end up being a proxy for a second Brexit referendum, I wonder:

a) Are Labour going to have to come up with a clear position on Brexit?

b) What happens if the electorate can't make a clear decision on it either?

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

Assuming the general election is going to end up being a proxy for a second Brexit referendum, I wonder:

a) Are Labour going to have to come up with a clear position on Brexit?

b) What happens if the electorate can't make a clear decision on it either?

If no party has a majority?

Complete chaos. Utter and complete chaos. If labour, conservative and the Others each get 30%, then it is all done.

[The New California Republic]

Assuming the general election is going to end up being a proxy for a second Brexit referendum, I wonder:

a) Are Labour going to have to come up with a clear position on Brexit?

b) What happens if the electorate can't make a clear decision on it either?

If no party has a majority?

Complete chaos. Utter and complete chaos. If labour, conservative and the Others each get 30%, then it is all done.

Yeah we'd be even more stuck than we are currently.

[Salandriagado]

Assuming the general election is going to end up being a proxy for a second Brexit referendum, I wonder:

a) Are Labour going to have to come up with a clear position on Brexit?

b) What happens if the electorate can't make a clear decision on it either?

If no party has a majority?

Complete chaos. Utter and complete chaos. If labour, conservative and the Others each get 30%, then it is all done.

There was some academic who suggested that it's basically either a Tory majority, or a second referendum. Outside of some tight edge cases, every other option leaves LD/SNP as kingmakers, and they'll force a second referendum as a pre-requisite for making a deal with Labour.

[Salandriagado]

Also there's a postal strike imminent. That could shake things up a little.

Urgh, and I put my postal vote application in today.

[Philjia]

Poor Brenda from Bristol.

[Fartsniffage]

Poor Brenda from Bristol.

She's probably dead by now. I wouldn't worry too much.

[Philjia]

Obviously it won't happen, but theoretically is it too late for Corbyn to step down to make way for someone who could beat bonkers Boris? Is there someone from the Labour party who could feasibly?

I think the best we can hope for is that this is his final defeat.

[Outer Sparta]

jo swinson would rather the tories win than labour win and will do everything in her power to fuck shit up because corbyn bad

Given that I've already written several press releases for my local party in preparation for the election, I can state with some confidence that this isn't true.

We're still scarred by 2010-2015, and will be taking a 'plague on both their houses' approach to the 2019 election. Except that it'll be phrased more professionally.

Hopefully, the Lib Dems get their shit together and actually oppose Brexit like they said they would.

[Greed and Death]

Also there's a postal strike imminent. That could shake things up a little.

Likely timed so UK citizens overseas (mostly in the EU) wont be able to mail in ballots.