UK Politics Thread XI: Boris' Big Bombastic Brexit Bash

[Shofercia]

I guess my thread about old people being banned from voting has some merit now

So you want people to be ruled by London, pay taxes, and be unable to vote. That worked so well last time, let's do it again! What could possibly go wrong?

Old people move away from the UK and take their wealth with them. Poor immigrants continue to pour in. Economy collapses. What could possibly go wrong?

[Heloin]

I guess my thread about old people being banned from voting has some merit now

It still doesn't.

[Celritannia]

I guess my thread about old people being banned from voting has some merit now

It still doesn't.

Agreed. That's like me saying only people with a certain basic understanding of UK politics should vote.

I stand by it in principle, but it practice, it is undemocratic and impossible to implement.

[Vassenor]

Pregnant women died after fears Tory crackdown on ‘health tourism’ would bankrupt them, report delayed until after election reveals

But the Conservatives are supposed to be good for the NHS.

[Shofercia]

Pregnant women died after fears Tory crackdown on ‘health tourism’ would bankrupt them, report delayed until after election reveals

But the Conservatives are supposed to be good for the NHS.

Fairly certain that Labour had a better stance on the NHS than Conservatives; but the Brits prioritized Brexit over the NHS, and Labour's stance on Brexit was absolute shit.

[Greed and Death]

Pregnant women died after fears Tory crackdown on ‘health tourism’ would bankrupt them, report delayed until after election reveals

But the Conservatives are supposed to be good for the NHS.

Fairly certain that Labour had a better stance on the NHS than Conservatives; but the Brits prioritized Brexit over the NHS, and Labour's stance on Brexit was absolute shit.

They tried to waffle on Brexit to get both leave and remain voters.

[Shofercia]

Fairly certain that Labour had a better stance on the NHS than Conservatives; but the Brits prioritized Brexit over the NHS, and Labour's stance on Brexit was absolute shit.

They tried to waffle on Brexit to get both leave and remain voters.

When you fail at waffling, your voters fail you!

[Greed and Death]

I guess my thread about old people being banned from voting has some merit now

No but the Tories have announced raising the voting age to 25 to better reflect the science.

[Cerinda]

Apparently Labour now has a Nazbol Wing, who wants the party to return to its "Conservative Socialist Traditions", whatever that means.

We truly live in the darkest timeline.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Apparently Labour now has a Nazbol Wing, who wants the party to return to its "Conservative Socialist Traditions", whatever that means.

We truly live in the darkest timeline.

Social conservatism and socialism.

I.e. what the commentators on newsnight and question time were saying needed to happen.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Pregnant women died after fears Tory crackdown on ‘health tourism’ would bankrupt them, report delayed until after election reveals

But the Conservatives are supposed to be good for the NHS.

Fairly certain that Labour had a better stance on the NHS than Conservatives; but the Brits prioritized Brexit over the NHS, and Labour's stance on Brexit was absolute shit.

Tories are better on the nhs than labour, but not 'good' enough for me.

[Philjia]

Apparently Labour now has a Nazbol Wing, who wants the party to return to its "Conservative Socialist Traditions", whatever that means.

We truly live in the darkest timeline.

They've been around since 2010, they're unlikely to ever get anywhere.

[Salandriagado]

Two pissed up squaddies and a sapper could reduce your house and family to smouldering rubble before you even knew they were there. You don't need that much training to blow up a few rich people.

Not if we had a private security force with frightening war machines.

That just means you're letting the pissed off soldiers inside your defences intentionally.

[Salandriagado]

But you don't. And under your system, never would.

Need lots of smart, educated people to design, build, and maintain frightening war machines.

Imported frightening war machines.

Why would these foreign governments sell you shit rather than, say, invading and putting a sane and compliant government in place?

[Celritannia]

Fairly certain that Labour had a better stance on the NHS than Conservatives; but the Brits prioritized Brexit over the NHS, and Labour's stance on Brexit was absolute shit.

Tories are better on the nhs than labour, but not 'good' enough for me.

[Sarcasm]Yes, because putting money back into the NHS they took away is a good idea.[/Sarcasm]

[Cerinda]

Apparently Labour now has a Nazbol Wing, who wants the party to return to its "Conservative Socialist Traditions", whatever that means.

We truly live in the darkest timeline.

Social conservatism

Yeah they can fuck off with that reactionary bullshit then.

Apparently Labour now has a Nazbol Wing, who wants the party to return to its "Conservative Socialist Traditions", whatever that means.

We truly live in the darkest timeline.

They've been around since 2010, they're unlikely to ever get anywhere.

They are trending on Twitter and are apparently gaining popularity, but let's hope they don't as I'd rather not have Nazbols being in charge of the Labour party.

[Salandriagado]

So you accept this situation is not fair, should not have happened, but oh well? Then why should we take you seriously?

We're proposing fixing the mess your people caused to our people. We're not even proposing the above, where we fuck over your descendants like yours did ours. And even that is too much for you, despite you understanding how unjust what happened was.

Meanwhile you're they're crying about class genocide and sniffling about how the poors are scary.

We hold before you two choices, peace and war, choose as you will.

Aristocracy delenda est

I just want the State to leave me and my family alone and not bother us with high taxes, let us mind our own business and every other family can mind their own business and do their own thing, is that too much to ask?

If you're going to sit there contributing fuck all to the country, why the fuck should the government allow you to continue to enjoy its benefits?

[Salandriagado]

So... sadism?

o, forcing people to take responsibility for their own healthcare.

We, the people, have taken responsibility for our own healthcare. You want to ruin it.

[Vassenor]

Social conservatism

Yeah they can fuck off with that reactionary bullshit then.

They've been around since 2010, they're unlikely to ever get anywhere.

They are trending on Twitter and are apparently gaining popularity, but let's hope they don't as I'd rather not have Nazbols being in charge of the Labour party.

They're trending on Twitter because of all the people telling them to fuck off into the sea, apparently.

[Salandriagado]

I'm not even opposed to hierarchy or class hierarchy. Merely this current system of determining it.

Preferably, any class hierarchy should be determined largely by inheritance. That's the fairest system out there.

It's the single least fair system possible.

[Salandriagado]

Straight up if more people would die under your system than a system of total ethnic cleansing and genocide perpetuated by bona fide Nazis you don't get to pretend to have the moral high ground or care about "Human" rights and you shouldn't expect civility.

The reason for people responding with borderline "Maybe we should just eat the rich" rhetoric is that you've gone so far off the reservation you're activating peoples anti-fa response.

But I'm doing a human rights degree and hope to become a human rights lawyer.

That doesn't mean that the things that you're advocating aren't evil.

[Salandriagado]

Why should society tolerate this if it is not to the benefit of the vast majority of its members?

Because fundamental human rights matters, and individual autonomy and self-determination would not be possible without the rule of law and protection for secure, stable, and safe property rights that endure, all people's ability to earn money and buy things would be imperilled without that basic guarantee, including the middle-class's ability to do so

You say this while spending the entire thread advocating for trashing people's rights for personal profit.

[Cerinda]

Yeah they can fuck off with that reactionary bullshit then.


They are trending on Twitter and are apparently gaining popularity, but let's hope they don't as I'd rather not have Nazbols being in charge of the Labour party.

They're trending on Twitter because of all the people telling them to fuck off into the sea, apparently.

Well that's good, because honestly fuck all reactionaries both right and "left-wing".

[Salandriagado]

Human rights are a social contract which society can amend if they decide they aren't beneficial or desirable. You can have private property without private ownership of the means of production.

What? How? What's left to own then? No shares in companies? No patents or copyrights? No land?

Somewhere to live, clothing, as much random shit as you want to buy. Just not the means of production.

And it really wasn't that long ago that we didn't have copyright law in the UK, in the grand scheme of things. Nor since banning buying shares was a serious possibility. In neither case did we stop having private property.

[Salandriagado]

At this stage I would honestly prefer life under a Mexican drug cartel than the so-called "ideal society" of GVH and Purg.

GVH and Purg believe in very different ideal societies.

No you don't. Your "ideal societies" are both war-strewn hellholes that inevitably stabilise to dictatorships. You just have slightly different fantasies about them.