UK Politics Thread XI: Boris' Big Bombastic Brexit Bash

[Souseiseki]

i thought you were all about choice? let me iterate that you have zero choice in this matter, because the men with the guns are in charge.

e: also you'd still need to pay for some of that stuff anyway. even chile had schools. unless you wanted to try like portugal or north korea in which case uhhhhhhh?

This feels like the better option, at least under a Chilean-like dictatorship we wouldn't feel constantly under threat of the poor threatening class genocide unless we give them X or Y.

well yeah you'd feel constantly under threat of being thrown in a cage and tortured by the military unless you give them X or Y, while also having to worry about the commies trying to grow support and coming for you anyway

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Got another idea!

Ryanair nhs!
Going to hospital is free, but you have to pay for all the added extras, like being treated...being treated this week...being treated well...getting the correct treatment...anaesthetic...the syringe that delivers the anaesthetic...the plunger that goes into the syringe that delivers the anaesthetic...

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Got another idea!

Ryanair nhs!
Going to hospital is free, but you have to pay for all the added extras, like being treated...being treated this week...being treated well...getting the correct treatment...anaesthetic...the syringe that delivers the anaesthetic...the plunger that goes into the syringe that delivers the anaesthetic...

This idea can go to hell from where it spawned. No doctor would agree to this and I could convince a fair few to poison you under this system to restore the old one.

[The Notorious Mad Jack]

The UK is a party to the International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights and has been since its in-effect date of 1976. Article 11 imposes upon signatories a number of rights based around the concept of 'an adequate standard of living', including the rights to adequate food, housing and clothing. Article 12 recognises the right of everyone to "the enjoyment of the highest attainable standard of physical and mental health". Article 13 recognises the right of free, universal and compulsory education at the primary level immediately, and at the secondary level eventually. It also mandates that this must be available without discrimination. Article 13 also recognises the rights of freedom of education, protecting parents choice's in where their child goes to school and this provision is also essentially why the government couldn't ban the likes of Eton from operating, as well also requiring states to respect the academic freedom of staff and student.

Human rights is a much bigger and wider subject than just 'freedom from being shot in the face by the government' - and more people should know their rights, before the Tories try to take them away.

This treaty that hasn't been passed into UK law yet, right? There are a lot of treaties we've signed and ratified and then left on the shelf, in international law we're bound by it though.

The rights enshrined by the treaty have been adopted into UK law by a number of acts, but no, there is no single specific law implementing this treaty. We are bound by its provisions - and in 2016 the UN Committee on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights examined our implementation of the ICESCR and found us wanting in a number of areas.

[Purgatio]

This feels like the better option, at least under a Chilean-like dictatorship we wouldn't feel constantly under threat of the poor threatening class genocide unless we give them X or Y.

Maybe your ancestors shouldn't have stolen their land and taught you that the profits of that exploitation were justly yours instead of something you need to give back before learning an actual skill to get a real job then mate.

How about this:

We'll take all your property and ban you from moving about, then demand you work in a shitty job in a factory we own with a 40% chance of dying to sustain yourself instead. You can starve, or sign the contract.

But the second you sign, we'll teach our kids that it's too late now and this is obviously "An approximation of a free and fair market agreement" because "Well some trades have happened since we stole all their shit".

Sound good?

Obviously that doesn't sound lovely, but I'm never gonna have to be in that situation.

[Purgatio]

This feels like the better option, at least under a Chilean-like dictatorship we wouldn't feel constantly under threat of the poor threatening class genocide unless we give them X or Y.

well yeah you'd feel constantly under threat of being thrown in a cage and tortured by the military unless you give them X or Y, while also having to worry about the commies trying to grow support and coming for you anyway

The wealthy elite in Brazil and Chile seem to continue to speak fondly of the junta times, if Bolsonaro's election and support amongst the upper classes is anything to go by

[San Lumen]

Got another idea!

Ryanair nhs!
Going to hospital is free, but you have to pay for all the added extras, like being treated...being treated this week...being treated well...getting the correct treatment...anaesthetic...the syringe that delivers the anaesthetic...the plunger that goes into the syringe that delivers the anaesthetic...

the heck with that. what if the doctor is a racist? Under this system they could do all sort of unspeakable things.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

This treaty that hasn't been passed into UK law yet, right? There are a lot of treaties we've signed and ratified and then left on the shelf, in international law we're bound by it though.

The rights enshrined by the treaty have been adopted into UK law by a number of acts, but no, there is no single specific law implementing this treaty. We are bound by its provisions - and in 2016 the UN Committee on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights examined our implementation of the ICESCR and found us wanting in a number of areas.

So since we've still not implemented it fully after 43 years, it sounds like a great time to leave it.

[Ostroeuropa]

Maybe your ancestors shouldn't have stolen their land and taught you that the profits of that exploitation were justly yours instead of something you need to give back before learning an actual skill to get a real job then mate.

How about this:

We'll take all your property and ban you from moving about, then demand you work in a shitty job in a factory we own with a 40% chance of dying to sustain yourself instead. You can starve, or sign the contract.

But the second you sign, we'll teach our kids that it's too late now and this is obviously "An approximation of a free and fair market agreement" because "Well some trades have happened since we stole all their shit".

Sound good?

Obviously that doesn't sound lovely, but I'm never gonna have to be in that situation.

So you accept this situation is not fair, should not have happened, but oh well? Then why should we take you seriously?

We're proposing fixing the mess your people caused to our people. We're not even proposing the above, where we fuck over your descendants like yours did ours. And even that is too much for you, despite you understanding how unjust what happened was.

Meanwhile you're they're crying about class genocide and sniffling about how the poors are scary.

We hold before you two choices, peace and war, choose as you will.

Aristocracy delenda est

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Got another idea!

Ryanair nhs!
Going to hospital is free, but you have to pay for all the added extras, like being treated...being treated this week...being treated well...getting the correct treatment...anaesthetic...the syringe that delivers the anaesthetic...the plunger that goes into the syringe that delivers the anaesthetic...

This idea can go to hell from where it spawned. No doctor would agree to this and I could convince a fair few to poison you under this system to restore the old one.

Oh and is your cousin by chance named Dirlewanger GVH?

[Purgatio]

This idea can go to hell from where it spawned. No doctor would agree to this and I could convince a fair few to poison you under this system to restore the old one.

Oh and is your cousin by chance named Dirlewanger GVH?

Comparing a disabled poster to a Nazi is in pretty poor taste.

[Purgatio]

Obviously that doesn't sound lovely, but I'm never gonna have to be in that situation.

So you accept this situation is not fair, should not have happened, but oh well? Then why should we take you seriously?

We're proposing fixing the mess your people caused to our people. We're not even proposing the above, where we fuck over your descendants like yours did ours. And even that is too much for you, despite you understanding how unjust what happened was.

Meanwhile you're they're crying about class genocide and sniffling about how the poors are scary.

We hold before you two choices, peace and war, choose as you will.

Aristocracy delenda est

I just want the State to leave me and my family alone and not bother us with high taxes, let us mind our own business and every other family can mind their own business and do their own thing, is that too much to ask?

[San Lumen]

Obviously that doesn't sound lovely, but I'm never gonna have to be in that situation.

So you accept this situation is not fair, should not have happened, but oh well? Then why should we take you seriously?

We're proposing fixing the mess your people caused to our people. We're not even proposing the above, where we fuck over your descendants like yours did ours. And even that is too much for you, despite you understanding how unjust what happened was.

Meanwhile you're they're crying about class genocide and sniffling about how the poors are scary.

We hold before you two choices, peace and war, choose as you will.

Aristocracy delenda est

Yet you want to effectively close the door on immigration with a borderline white nationalist view. What makes you better than someone from the Congo or Burma or merely wants a better life in the UK?

[Greater vakolicci haven]

This idea can go to hell from where it spawned. No doctor would agree to this and I could convince a fair few to poison you under this system to restore the old one.

Oh and is your cousin by chance named Dirlewanger GVH?

No he's called Conor, he's an Irish bus mechanic. Do you know him?

[Heloin]

well yeah you'd feel constantly under threat of being thrown in a cage and tortured by the military unless you give them X or Y, while also having to worry about the commies trying to grow support and coming for you anyway

The wealthy elite in Brazil and Chile seem to continue to speak fondly of the junta times, if Bolsonaro's election and support amongst the upper classes is anything to go by

Sounds like a good reason to get rid of the wealthy elite.

[The Notorious Mad Jack]

So you accept this situation is not fair, should not have happened, but oh well? Then why should we take you seriously?

We're proposing fixing the mess your people caused to our people. We're not even proposing the above, where we fuck over your descendants like yours did ours. And even that is too much for you, despite you understanding how unjust what happened was.

Meanwhile you're they're crying about class genocide and sniffling about how the poors are scary.

We hold before you two choices, peace and war, choose as you will.

Aristocracy delenda est

I just want the State to leave me and my family alone and not bother us with high taxes, let us mind our own business and every other family can mind their own business and do their own thing, is that too much to ask?

Move to America then I guess.

[San Lumen]

Oh and is your cousin by chance named Dirlewanger GVH?

No he's called Conor, he's an Irish bus mechanic. Do you know him?

I see you forgot your crazy healthcare proposal.

[The Notorious Mad Jack]

well yeah you'd feel constantly under threat of being thrown in a cage and tortured by the military unless you give them X or Y, while also having to worry about the commies trying to grow support and coming for you anyway

The wealthy elite in Brazil and Chile seem to continue to speak fondly of the junta times, if Bolsonaro's election and support amongst the upper classes is anything to go by

Presumably because they weren't the ones disappeared, tortured and murdered by those regimes.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

I just want the State to leave me and my family alone and not bother us with high taxes, let us mind our own business and every other family can mind their own business and do their own thing, is that too much to ask?

Move to America then I guess.

You mean the middle of the Sahara desert?

[Souseiseki]

well yeah you'd feel constantly under threat of being thrown in a cage and tortured by the military unless you give them X or Y, while also having to worry about the commies trying to grow support and coming for you anyway

The wealthy elite in Brazil and Chile seem to continue to speak fondly of the junta times, if Bolsonaro's election and support amongst the upper classes is anything to go by

just hypothetically do you think that you or most people are ever going to be wealth to the point that you are actually buddies enough with the dictator to not be afraid of tax hikes

[Ostroeuropa]

So you accept this situation is not fair, should not have happened, but oh well? Then why should we take you seriously?

We're proposing fixing the mess your people caused to our people. We're not even proposing the above, where we fuck over your descendants like yours did ours. And even that is too much for you, despite you understanding how unjust what happened was.

Meanwhile you're they're crying about class genocide and sniffling about how the poors are scary.

We hold before you two choices, peace and war, choose as you will.

Aristocracy delenda est

Yet you want to effectively close the door on immigration with a borderline white nationalist view. What makes you better than someone from the Congo or Burma or merely wants a better life in the UK?

I'm not opposed to foreign aid. I just don't think pilfering the best and brightest of foreign nations is a long term solution to fixing those countries.

So you accept this situation is not fair, should not have happened, but oh well? Then why should we take you seriously?

We're proposing fixing the mess your people caused to our people. We're not even proposing the above, where we fuck over your descendants like yours did ours. And even that is too much for you, despite you understanding how unjust what happened was.

Meanwhile you're they're crying about class genocide and sniffling about how the poors are scary.

We hold before you two choices, peace and war, choose as you will.

Aristocracy delenda est

I just want the State to leave me and my family alone and not bother us with high taxes, let us mind our own business and every other family can mind their own business and do their own thing, is that too much to ask?

Yes, it is. Because property is not a private matter no matter how much people who benefit from it being seen that way wish it was.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Oh and is your cousin by chance named Dirlewanger GVH?

Comparing a disabled poster to a Nazi is in pretty poor taste.

Demanding payment for putting anesthetic into you or we operate while you are fully awake is pretty Dirlewanger-tier of sadism.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

No he's called Conor, he's an Irish bus mechanic. Do you know him?

I see you forgot your crazy healthcare proposal.

It's grand!
Flu jab, 30 pounds.
This years flu jab, 10 pounds extra.
Needle, 5 pounds.
Syringe, 5 pounds.
Plunger, 5 pounds.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Comparing a disabled poster to a Nazi is in pretty poor taste.

Demanding payment for putting anesthetic into you or we operate while you are fully awake is pretty Dirlewanger-tier of sadism.

You have the opportunity to choose not to be operated on at all, if you can't afford the anaesthetic and don't want it while awake.

[Heloin]

I see you forgot your crazy healthcare proposal.

It's grand!
Flu jab, 30 pounds.
This years flu jab, 10 pounds extra.
Needle, 5 pounds.
Syringe, 5 pounds.
Plunger, 5 pounds.

So you're plan is basically kill the poor?