Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 4:51 amGreater vakolicci haven wrote:So:
Tl;dr: we're all very very happy about the result of this election and will be celebrating today.
Guess you actually are blind, huh?
Guess you actually are blind, huh?
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Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 4:51 amGuess you actually are blind, huh?
Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 4:51 amPosted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 4:52 amPosted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 4:53 amPosted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 4:53 amThe New California Republic wrote:The Huskar Social Union wrote:Arch is like my co-op at this stage, im either at work, sleeping or staving off depression whenever a poll needs changed.
Im also trying to think of a new title to reflect the election
That reminds me, Arch will likely be happy about the result in my constituency. May telegram him later.
Yes, indeed he is.
But he's also considerably more disappointed than you are at the result in East Dunbartonshire.
Finally, his own former place of residence in Fife was a narrow SNP gain from Labour. In a metaphor for the entire election, out of the four parties who ran a candidate in Kirkcaldy & Cowdenbeath in the 2017 election, only the LibDems gained vote share in 2019 compared to their 2017 result; they still came fourth. I stopped living in the seat in 1981, so it's been a while; but that result still irritates me.
Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 4:55 amPosted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 4:57 amArch, humour me please and comment on my post about NI.
gib gib
Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 4:59 amThe Huskar Social Union wrote:Alright so national results, absolute clusterfuck, this place is screwed, im quickly entering a period of "I dont give a fuck" about mainland UK politics, just like i was prior to 2015.
Locally however.... i was kind of.. happy with how it turned out, very much so (as some of you witnessed in this very thread) so im gona do a little breakdown of how things went in Northern Ireland last night:
OVERALL PERCENTAGE OF VOTE:
DUP 30.6%
Sinn Féin 22.8%
Alliance Party 16.8%
SDLP 14.9%
UUP 11.7%
Aontú 1.2%
Others:2.0%
VOTE SHARE CHANGE FROM 2017:
DUP: -5.4%
Sinn Fein: -6.7%
Alliance Party: +8.8
SDLP: 3.1%
UUP: 1.4%
Aontu: 1.2%
SEATS:
DUP: 8 -2
Sinn Fein: 7 NOC)
Alliance Party: 1 +1
SDLP: 2 +2
Oths: 0 -1
DUP lost North and South Belfast, Sinn Fein lost Foyle but gained North Belfast, Alliance gained North Down, SDLP gained Foyle and South Belfast.
I am over the moon with this result, 3/4 MP's in Belfast are Nationalist, the DUP only held East Belfast by 1800 votes with Alliance right behind them. Alliance took North Down which i thought would go DUP, and the SDLP took Foyle as well as South Belfast giving them 2 MP's. DUP and Sinn Fein's vote share is down quite considerably, with the Alliance party enjoying quite a large swing in their favour, moving into second place in several Unionist dominated areas ahead of the UUP.
I was honestly surprised how much of a beating Sinn Fein took last night, they didnt lose any seats but their vote share got obliterated in some constituencies, down 19% in Foyle, down 12.9% in my home constituency of West Belfast. But despite that they balanced out in seats, as i mentioned above, losing one but taking another.
The DUP and Loyalism are the big losers of this election easily, the DUP took some serious hits in Belfast and lost a fair few votes in other seats they held onto, making it likely someone, namely alliance might be able to try and wrestle them away from them in the future.
Nationalism did really well last night, with three historic wins, taking North Belfast and getting a majority of MP's in Belfast, and the SDLP picked up its votes as Sinn Fein's dropped, evening it out a bit. And overall, there are now more Nationalist MP's than there are Unionist MP's, 9-7 which is fucking monumental.
Alliance also did really well last night, taking a seat, coming close to taking another and moving solidly into second place in several other constituencies and enjoying the biggest swing in the vote, it seems the surge from the local and MEP elections continued on. THE YELLOW TIDE BITCHES YE YE YE YE YE
The Huskar Social Union wrote:I expect the rest to stay as they are and I will make a big post about it that arch and like two other people will read
I hereby certify that I read Huskar's big post.
I am only disappointed that there was no analysis of whether F.U.C.K.K.N.I.C.K.E.R.S. might become a national movement after last night's result.
Edit:
More seriously, a very good night for APNI, a decent night for the SDLP, a bad night for the DUP, and a worrying but mitigated night for SF; I can live with that.
Shame about the rest of the country.
Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 4:59 amWhat did you say about the turtle, Roger? It's gone all irregular and yellow again? I recommend regular but gentle application of thermonuclear weapons until the itchiness stops.
Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 5:00 amThe independent challenger in the Speaker's constituency goes by the name of Mark Brexit-Smith.
Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 5:00 amThe Archregimancy wrote:The Huskar Social Union wrote:Alright so national results, absolute clusterfuck, this place is screwed, im quickly entering a period of "I dont give a fuck" about mainland UK politics, just like i was prior to 2015.
Locally however.... i was kind of.. happy with how it turned out, very much so (as some of you witnessed in this very thread) so im gona do a little breakdown of how things went in Northern Ireland last night:
OVERALL PERCENTAGE OF VOTE:
DUP 30.6%
Sinn Féin 22.8%
Alliance Party 16.8%
SDLP 14.9%
UUP 11.7%
Aontú 1.2%
Others:2.0%
VOTE SHARE CHANGE FROM 2017:
DUP: -5.4%
Sinn Fein: -6.7%
Alliance Party: +8.8
SDLP: 3.1%
UUP: 1.4%
Aontu: 1.2%
SEATS:
DUP: 8 -2
Sinn Fein: 7 NOC)
Alliance Party: 1 +1
SDLP: 2 +2
Oths: 0 -1
DUP lost North and South Belfast, Sinn Fein lost Foyle but gained North Belfast, Alliance gained North Down, SDLP gained Foyle and South Belfast.
I am over the moon with this result, 3/4 MP's in Belfast are Nationalist, the DUP only held East Belfast by 1800 votes with Alliance right behind them. Alliance took North Down which i thought would go DUP, and the SDLP took Foyle as well as South Belfast giving them 2 MP's. DUP and Sinn Fein's vote share is down quite considerably, with the Alliance party enjoying quite a large swing in their favour, moving into second place in several Unionist dominated areas ahead of the UUP.
I was honestly surprised how much of a beating Sinn Fein took last night, they didnt lose any seats but their vote share got obliterated in some constituencies, down 19% in Foyle, down 12.9% in my home constituency of West Belfast. But despite that they balanced out in seats, as i mentioned above, losing one but taking another.
The DUP and Loyalism are the big losers of this election easily, the DUP took some serious hits in Belfast and lost a fair few votes in other seats they held onto, making it likely someone, namely alliance might be able to try and wrestle them away from them in the future.
Nationalism did really well last night, with three historic wins, taking North Belfast and getting a majority of MP's in Belfast, and the SDLP picked up its votes as Sinn Fein's dropped, evening it out a bit. And overall, there are now more Nationalist MP's than there are Unionist MP's, 9-7 which is fucking monumental.
Alliance also did really well last night, taking a seat, coming close to taking another and moving solidly into second place in several other constituencies and enjoying the biggest swing in the vote, it seems the surge from the local and MEP elections continued on. THE YELLOW TIDE BITCHES YE YE YE YE YEThe Huskar Social Union wrote:I expect the rest to stay as they are and I will make a big post about it that arch and like two other people will read
I hereby certify that I read Huskar's big post.
I am only disappointed that there was no analysis of whether F.U.C.K.K.N.I.C.K.E.R.S. might become a national movement after last night's result.
Yeah Boi!
Also it remains to be seen, early days yet. We might get some momentum going in Northern England, god knows they need someone to stand against the Tory's
Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 5:01 amPasong Tirad wrote:Also, electoral reform when?
As soon as Labour under a principled leader wins an election. The evidence is beyond obvious for electoral reform at this point.
One silver lining about Labour losing northern and midlands seats is that a fair number of those MPs were enemies of PR, so hopefully they could be replaced by a pro-reform labor candidate.
Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 5:02 amPosted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 5:03 amSo what will happen to Corbynism? He says he will resign, but not when, and much of his fan base is pretty fanatic.
A lot are very much “but next he will win, honest!”
Will Labour realize it needs to drop his foreign policies to win?
Corbyn himself will not, he is too steeped in it.
The only way is to get the Corbynistas out, not most of their domestic policies which are popular but the useful idiot anti western foreign policy is not the way to go.
A lot are very much “but next he will win, honest!”
Will Labour realize it needs to drop his foreign policies to win?
Corbyn himself will not, he is too steeped in it.
The only way is to get the Corbynistas out, not most of their domestic policies which are popular but the useful idiot anti western foreign policy is not the way to go.
Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 5:04 amNew Bremerton wrote:The independent challenger in the Speaker's constituency goes by the name of Mark Brexit-Smith.
A very proud northern family, the Brexit-Smiths. Don't mock them.
Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 5:07 amThe Archregimancy wrote:The New California Republic wrote:That reminds me, Arch will likely be happy about the result in my constituency. May telegram him later.
Yes, indeed he is.
But he's also considerably more disappointed than you are at the result in East Dunbartonshire.
Finally, his own former place of residence in Fife was a narrow SNP gain from Labour. In a metaphor for the entire election, out of the four parties who ran a candidate in Kirkcaldy & Cowdenbeath in the 2017 election, only the LibDems gained vote share in 2019 compared to their 2017 result; they still came fourth. I stopped living in the seat in 1981, so it's been a while; but that result still irritates me.
Yeah it's been a real mixed bag depending on one's perspective.
Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 5:07 amSo with a Brexit going to happen, and a Nationalist majority in seats (though not actually taken ones). Will Boris simply give up NI (or give it a referendum) to get rid of all the pesky stuff that comes with having a land border?
On another note, anybody immigrating to EUrope? Be quick!
Please don't choose Berlin though, rent is already high enough as it is
On another note, anybody immigrating to EUrope? Be quick!
Please don't choose Berlin though, rent is already high enough as it is
Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 5:11 amThe Blaatschapen wrote:So with a Brexit going to happen, and a Nationalist majority in seats (though not actually taken ones).
I'm not sure what 'not actually taken ones' means here, but it wasn't a Republican/Nationalist majority of seats.
The two Republican (SF) and Nationalist (SDLP) parties won precisely 50% of Northern Ireland's seats - 9 out of 18. Unionists won 8 seats. The non-sectarian cross-community Alliance Party won the remaining seat.
So Republicans and Nationalists won a plurality of seats, the first time this has happened in NI history, but not a majority.
Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 5:13 amThe Blaatschapen wrote:So with a Brexit going to happen, and a Nationalist majority in seats (though not actually taken ones). Will Boris simply give up NI (or give it a referendum) to get rid of all the pesky stuff that comes with having a land border?
On another note, anybody immigrating to EUrope? Be quick!
Please don't choose Berlin though, rent is already high enough as it is
It’s only been a few months since my parents ceased trying to get me to move back to Luxembourg too. I suspect they might want to use this election to try and argue that case again.
Still want to stay here. Love my country, even its wrong.
Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 5:15 amAn Alan Smithee Nation wrote:So did young people not vote, or did they mainly vote Conservative?
It seems like it's mostly that Labour's vote counts have fallen, so the former.
Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 5:15 amThe Archregimancy wrote:The Blaatschapen wrote:So with a Brexit going to happen, and a Nationalist majority in seats (though not actually taken ones).
I'm not sure what 'not actually taken ones' means here, but it wasn't a Republican/Nationalist majority of seats.
The two Republican (SF) and Nationalist (SDLP) parties won precisely 50% of Northern Ireland's seats - 9 out of 18. Unionists won 8 seats. The non-sectarian cross-community Alliance Party won the remaining seat.
So Republicans and Nationalists won a plurality of seats, the first time this has happened in NI history, but not a majority.
Sorry, my apologies. I stand corrected.
Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 5:16 amPosted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 5:17 amWell that's a tad disappointing all in all.
Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 5:17 amAnother small silver lining for LibDem voters:
So of the three main national parties, only the LibDems gained vote share across the country.
That graph also helps to get across just how bad Labour's result was just about everywhere.
Also worth noting that the Tories gained 48 seats with just a 1.2% increase in national vote share, while the party that gained the most in national vote share - the LibDems, with a 4.1% increase - lost a seat compared to 2017.
I'll spare you my screed on the need for electoral reform; you can probably imagine how it goes.
So of the three main national parties, only the LibDems gained vote share across the country.
That graph also helps to get across just how bad Labour's result was just about everywhere.
Also worth noting that the Tories gained 48 seats with just a 1.2% increase in national vote share, while the party that gained the most in national vote share - the LibDems, with a 4.1% increase - lost a seat compared to 2017.
I'll spare you my screed on the need for electoral reform; you can probably imagine how it goes.
Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 5:18 amNah.Munkcestrian Republic wrote:An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:So did young people not vote, or did they mainly vote Conservative?
like 10% of young people voted Tory
The Tories are absolutely fucked in the long term and before someone goes "uh young people have always voted Labour" no they haven't, that's a myth and the youth vote was until very recently largely in line with the overall vote. Speaking as someone who should be a Tory but isn't
The younger you are the more likely you are to vote Labour. It's generally been the case since 1974.