UK Politics Thread XI: Boris' Big Bombastic Brexit Bash

[The New California Republic]

DUP Gona be maaaaaaaad

We are both having a good night Huskar, my constituency was just snatched from the SNP by the Lib Dems.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Are they though? Are they really?

Isn't it just the one thing of mind your own business?

I agree, but if you read every political philosophy into that high level of abstraction you would end up conflating a lot of different social movements into one. Again, I don't think consensual BDSM should be illegal either, just like I don't think sodomy should be illegal. I just don't see why the LGBT Pride Parade not wanting it to become a BDSM Pride Parade is such a bad thing. They are still separate communities, one is an immutable community fighting for a right to exist, the other is a group of people fighting for sexual behaviour not to be criminalized. Yes, I get it, both concern sexual autonomy, that doesn't mean you need to merge the movements into one.

The roots and history of both are very much linked.

[Shrillland]

Conservatives take Wakefield, and Brecon and Radnorshire.

[Ifreann]

Elmo just stripping behind Boris. For shame, sir.

[Definitely Not Trumptonium]

Good riddance

source?

his own speech

though I wrote it prematurely, he simply said he's not going to be leading labour into the next GE

though its kind of the same

[The Huskar Social Union]

DUP Gona be maaaaaaaad

We are both having a good night Huskar, my constituency was just snatched from the SNP by the Lib Dems.

THE UK MAY BURN MY NORTHERN FRIEND, BUT US TWO?


WE SHALL DANCE!

[Shrillland]

Conservatives take Durham Northwest.

[Ifreann]

Elmo, stahp

[Definitely Not Trumptonium]

jo swinson going?

[Ostroeuropa]

Are they though? Are they really?

Isn't it just the one thing of mind your own business?

I agree, but if you read every political philosophy into that high level of abstraction you would end up conflating a lot of different social movements into one. Again, I don't think consensual BDSM should be illegal either, just like I don't think sodomy should be illegal. I just don't see why the LGBT Pride Parade not wanting it to become a BDSM Pride Parade is such a bad thing. They are still separate communities, one is an immutable community fighting for a right to exist, the other is a group of people fighting for sexual behaviour not to be criminalized. Yes, I get it, both concern sexual autonomy, that doesn't mean you need to merge the movements into one.

Hard disagree, that's the same kind of definitions shenanigans straight folk used on gays to invalidate them. You're different because reasons and so on,

I mean right, the pee pee doesn't go in the vajayjay, its totally different and not the same thing if you touch weiners. Totally different. Right. Its outside the frame of reference you have, that's all

[The New California Republic]

We are both having a good night Huskar, my constituency was just snatched from the SNP by the Lib Dems.

THE UK MAY BURN MY NORTHERN FRIEND, BUT US TWO?


WE SHALL DANCE!

Too right!

[Definitely Not Trumptonium]

jo swinson gone.

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

The political divide between Scotland and England seems so clear now, that the break up of the UK must be more likely.

[The Huskar Social Union]

SDLP TAKES SOUTH BELFAST

3 OUT OF 4 BELFAST MPS ARE IRISH NATIONALIST YEEEEOOO

[Shrillland]

Conservatives take Bury South.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

bye bye swinson

[Ifreann]

Alas that the Scottish votes aren't also called in Scots Gaelic.

[Thanatttynia]

I should be in bed since I oughta wake up in a few hours for a red eye flight, but I guess all I can say is that I hope the next run around Labour fundamentally changes their strategy to something that can upend the continuous Tory rule. This wake up call, this absolute rock bottom for them, might just make 'em realize how much they have to radically realter their course, even it means going against the sort of ideology I'm normally 100% in for.

They can't just count on Boris Johnson shooting himself in the foot - he's like teflon, it doesn't usually stick. They need their own leader who radiates charisma while keeping a balance between mobilizing the left-wing, demsoc base, while somehow not alienating the mushy middle. It'll take a miracle, but I pray they can pull it off.

Maybe it's the multitude of IPAs talking, but I'm confident they can pull it off if they just avoid two things;

First, avoid Jeremy Corbyn for the next election.
Second, nominate someone who can appeal to a wide electorate without coming across as a fucking opportunistic stooge.

It'll be an uphill battle.

It shouldn't even be that hard. It's not hard to find vaguely electable people, it's not hard to wed leftwing economic policy with a sensible manifesto in other areas, it shouldn't be hard to win against a deeply unpopular Tory govt led by Boris Johnson

[Dresderstan]

Swinson is out, new LD leader in 2020

[Purgatio]

I agree, but if you read every political philosophy into that high level of abstraction you would end up conflating a lot of different social movements into one. Again, I don't think consensual BDSM should be illegal either, just like I don't think sodomy should be illegal. I just don't see why the LGBT Pride Parade not wanting it to become a BDSM Pride Parade is such a bad thing. They are still separate communities, one is an immutable community fighting for a right to exist, the other is a group of people fighting for sexual behaviour not to be criminalized. Yes, I get it, both concern sexual autonomy, that doesn't mean you need to merge the movements into one.

Hard disagree, that's the same kind of definitions shenanigans straight folk used on gays to invalidate them. You're different because reasons and so on,

I mean jobs right, the pee pee doesn't go in the vajayjay, not the same thing if you touch weiners. Totally different. Right. Its outside the frame of reference you have, that's all

This debate feels like a gigantic red herring to me. I've already made it clear I don't think BDSM should be illegal or that anyone who practices it should face discrimination in society, so its not as if I'm supporting discrimination or a double standard here between the LGBT and BDSM communities. Not sure what more you want me to say.

[Thanatttynia]

Slim loss for Jo Swinson there

[Ifreann]

Haha, Swinson out by 149 votes.

[Samudera Darussalam]

The political divide between Scotland and England seems so clear now, that the break up of the UK must be more likely.

Well......uh, congrats, I guess.
Something also happened in N.I. based on the way Huskar is celebrating ir.

[Purgatio]

bye bye swinson

Looks like she won't have to resign.

[Shrillland]

Alas that the Scottish votes aren't also called in Scots Gaelic.

They are out on the Islands.