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Who do you support to become the next Labour Party Leader?

Clive Lewis (DROPPED OUT)
2
2%
Keir Starmer (Shadow Brexit Secretary, MP for Holborn and St Pancras)
38
37%
Lisa Nandy (MP for Wigan)
11
11%
Jess Phillips (DROPPED OUT)
16
16%
Emily Thornberry (Shadow First Secretary of State, MP for Islington South and Finsbury)
7
7%
Yvette Cooper (DROPPED OUT)
1
1%
Dan Jarvis (DROPPED OUT)
1
1%
Ian Lavery (DROPPED OUT)
1
1%
Rebecca Long Bailey (Shadow Business Secretary, MP for Salford and Eccles)
16
16%
Other (Please state who in a reply)
9
9%
 
Total votes : 102

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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Sat Oct 19, 2019 7:09 am

Vassenor wrote:Letwin amendment passes

The government loses.

322 to 306.

This withholds approval of the prime minister’s deal until the legislation to enact it – the EU withdrawal bill – is passed.

Has the list of who voted how come out?

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Postby Thermodolia » Sat Oct 19, 2019 7:12 am

Vassenor wrote:Boris is openly declaring his contempt for Parliament, stating he will not request Extension.

So what happens now?
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Postby Vassenor » Sat Oct 19, 2019 7:14 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Vassenor wrote:Boris is openly declaring his contempt for Parliament, stating he will not request Extension.

So what happens now?


Hell if I know.
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Postby Shamhnan Insir » Sat Oct 19, 2019 7:15 am

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Postby The Free Joy State » Sat Oct 19, 2019 7:15 am

No. 10 has ordered the Tory MPs to boycott the vote on the deal, and the Conservative benches have emptied.

The PM's taken his bat and ball home, it appears.
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Postby Philjia » Sat Oct 19, 2019 7:16 am

Souseiseki wrote:has boris won literally a single vote in the commons at this point?

Yes, there was some environmental legislation on Tuesday: https://news.sky.com/video/levity-in-co ... y-11836403
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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Sat Oct 19, 2019 7:18 am

the speaker seems really confused rn at what JRM is doing.

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Postby Philjia » Sat Oct 19, 2019 7:19 am

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:the speaker seems really confused rn at what JRM is doing.

Aren't we all, most of the time?
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Postby Vassenor » Sat Oct 19, 2019 7:20 am

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:the speaker seems really confused rn at what JRM is doing.


I'm not sure JRM knows what he's doing any more.
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Postby Shamhnan Insir » Sat Oct 19, 2019 7:22 am

Vassenor wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:the speaker seems really confused rn at what JRM is doing.


I'm not sure JRM knows what he's doing any more.

This one is a subtle job.
Bring back the exact same motion in the hopes they can squeeze it over the line. Except present it in a way to leave big feckin question marks over the thing at short notice.
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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Sat Oct 19, 2019 7:22 am

How did the two stoke labour mps vote?

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Postby Vassenor » Sat Oct 19, 2019 7:22 am

Vote breakdown is out.

Six Labour MPs rebelled to back the government.
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Postby Philjia » Sat Oct 19, 2019 7:22 am

Boris isn't just a lame duck, he's a fucking dead duck that's been roasted and served with crispy pancakes and hoisin sauce.
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Postby Vassenor » Sat Oct 19, 2019 7:25 am

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:How did the two stoke labour mps vote?


Ruth Smeeth (L-Stoke-on-Trent North) and Gareth Snell (L-Stoke-on-Trent Central) both voted for the Amendment. Jack Brereton (C-Stoke-on-Trent South) voted against.
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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Sat Oct 19, 2019 7:28 am

Vassenor wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:How did the two stoke labour mps vote?


Ruth Smeeth (L-Stoke-on-Trent North) and Gareth Snell (L-Stoke-on-Trent Central) both voted for the Amendment. Jack Brereton (C-Stoke-on-Trent South) voted against.

Thanks.
That's quite strange as Snell has stated publicly, and smeeth has let it be known to her constituency party that on an actual vote on the deal they would be in favour.

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Postby Vassenor » Sat Oct 19, 2019 7:29 am

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Ruth Smeeth (L-Stoke-on-Trent North) and Gareth Snell (L-Stoke-on-Trent Central) both voted for the Amendment. Jack Brereton (C-Stoke-on-Trent South) voted against.

Thanks.
That's quite strange as Snell has stated publicly, and smeeth has let it be known to her constituency party that on an actual vote on the deal they would be in favour.


Keep in mind that the Letwin amendment is "we approve of the deal, but we need to make sure we have time to implement it properly".

So no, voting for Letwin is in fact not "voting against the deal" in and of itself.
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Vassenor wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Thanks.
That's quite strange as Snell has stated publicly, and smeeth has let it be known to her constituency party that on an actual vote on the deal they would be in favour.


Keep in mind that the Letwin amendment is "we approve of the deal, but we need to make sure we have time to implement it properly".

So no, voting for Letwin is in fact not "voting against the deal" in and of itself.

The bbc seems to think it's a good way of getting wrecking amendments in.

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Postby Philjia » Sat Oct 19, 2019 7:30 am

Notable independents voting with the government were Rory Stewart and Sir Nicholas Soames, notable ones against included Ken Clarke and Phillip Hammond.

Four Labour MPs, two Conservatives, and one independent abstained.
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Sat Oct 19, 2019 7:36 am

Vassenor wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Thanks.
That's quite strange as Snell has stated publicly, and smeeth has let it be known to her constituency party that on an actual vote on the deal they would be in favour.


Keep in mind that the Letwin amendment is "we approve of the deal, but we need to make sure we have time to implement it properly".

So no, voting for Letwin is in fact not "voting against the deal" in and of itself.

Then lock the members in the chamber for the next 12 days and make them pass the associated legislation.
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Postby Shrillland » Sat Oct 19, 2019 7:38 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Vassenor wrote:Boris is openly declaring his contempt for Parliament, stating he will not request Extension.

So what happens now?


Apparently Rees-Mogg says there will be another meaningful vote on Monday.
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Postby Vassenor » Sat Oct 19, 2019 7:39 am

Shrillland wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:So what happens now?


Apparently Rees-Mogg says there will be another meaningful vote on Monday.


The government wants to start in on the legislation next week in order to rush everything through before the 31st.
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Postby Definitely Not Trumptonium » Sat Oct 19, 2019 8:31 am

I like how Hammond voted for May's deal three times, but votes against this one which is identical to May's deal except that it gives the UK power to withdraw from the customs union at will rather than being bound to it forever.

Almost as if Hammond was .. in it for his career? :thonk:
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Postby Shamhnan Insir » Sat Oct 19, 2019 8:43 am

So we enter unknown on Monday, with several possible outcomes. Kind of like a pandoras box no matter which point of view you hold.

The wheels on this bus will DUP DUP DUP until then, as I don't see any signs of them deflating...
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Postby Vassenor » Sat Oct 19, 2019 8:43 am

Definitely Not Trumptonium wrote:I like how Hammond voted for May's deal three times, but votes against this one which is identical to May's deal except that it gives the UK power to withdraw from the customs union at will rather than being bound to it forever.

Almost as if Hammond was .. in it for his career? :thonk:


How does "we approve the deal but need to make sure we have time to implement it properly" constitute "[voting] against the deal"?
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