UK Politics Thread XI: Boris' Big Bombastic Brexit Bash

[Greater Loegria]

I've never watched the QS. When am I being deported?

I think it's Corbyn's pattern of behaviour that is at fault rather than simply that he didn't watch the Queen's speech.

This. It all just adds up. Not singing the national anthem, being cosy with the IRA and Hezbollah and all the rest of it not to mention leading a party that increasingly race baits white British people.

[Ostroeuropa]

I think it's Corbyn's pattern of behaviour that is at fault rather than simply that he didn't watch the Queen's speech.

This. It all just adds up. Not singing the national anthem, being cosy with the IRA and Hezbollah and all the rest of it not to mention leading a party that increasingly race baits white British people.

Tbh this. It's easy for Nixon to go to China on a non issue like the queens speech, especially as Corbyn is busy volunteering at shelters that day. However, hishistory reminds people of a certain context. Even his entire record on the subject of British patriotism taken as a whole would not necessarily be damaging and the defences for each incident would work if he in addition had a record of patriotic sentiment, but he doesn't. It is entirely lacking. The defences ring hollow because there is always another thing to Indicate a problem, and an absence of outward pride in the nation.

I for instanc4, maybe I'm wrong, could get away with Corbyns behavior and stances because Nixon goes to China. I'm clearly a nationalist and explicitly so and would frame my justifications within anationalist context.

"Why were you buddy with the IRA?"
(Diplomacy, fair mindedness.).

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Diplomacy, fair mindedness, duty to our compatriots and kin in the republic of Ireland, and a sense that this is the natural progression of the evolution and perfection of the British nation. Either this is a peasant riot and extreme caution and diplomacy is needed to understand how the state failed the british people, or it is a foreign occupation and the same applies.

(as a conceptual example of the difference, not exactly what my approach would be.).

Instead someone says corbyn that he is unpatriotic because X, and his response is absent of patriotic justification, even if a minority view of what patriotism should entail.

Being an odd patriot is still being a patriot and most Patriots would accept that. What is transparent is a lack of patriotism because the defences of corbyns lack of it do not reference patriotic defences and rationales, and indicate a lack of consideration and deliberation through the lens of patriotism. It's even considered gauche and unseemly to question someone's patriotism among Patriots (at least in Britain), regardless of where they fall on the spectrum as this undermines the pre political allegiance and its status as a holy cow.

The reason it's done for corbyn is that he plainly is not patriotic. He could have a bizarre and alien version of patriotism that involved stances everyone thought to be against our Interest but provided they were framed through patriotism and seemed sincere it would be accepted that he is patriotic, merely outside the norm.

This is why you can be things like a Teutophile and still convincingly a patriot. It depends on how you reason for and frame that position.

Is that teutophilia patriotic? "Why teutophile?".

1. Hour long speech on Germany being awesome
2. Hour long speech on how Britain could benefit through copying Germany in several ways

[Vassenor]

I think it's Corbyn's pattern of behaviour that is at fault rather than simply that he didn't watch the Queen's speech.

This. It all just adds up. Not singing the national anthem, being cosy with the IRA and Hezbollah and all the rest of it not to mention leading a party that increasingly race baits white British people.

Well since we're living in a fantasy world...

[Ifreann]

I've never watched the QS. When am I being deported?

I think it's Corbyn's pattern of behaviour that is at fault rather than simply that he didn't watch the Queen's speech.

His pattern of prioritising helping the least fortunate in Britain over listening to the ramblings of some old billionaire.

[Ostroeuropa]

I think it's Corbyn's pattern of behaviour that is at fault rather than simply that he didn't watch the Queen's speech.

His pattern of prioritising helping the least fortunate in Britain over listening to the ramblings of some old billionaire.

Nobody is questioning Corbyns loyalty to the working classes. They are questioning whether he considers the british working class a priority even above foreign working class folk and the answer is no, he does not. It is theoretically incredibly simple to at least pretend to be a patriot as it is a framing device and need not support a particular political stance. Corbyn refuses to do so

[Phoenicaea]

^these arguments are all days grotesque, yet they grew 2.400 years old.

[The Huskar Social Union]

^these arguments are all days grotesque, yet they grew 2.400 years old.

...

[Ifreann]

MC Hammer vs Boris Johnson.

[Greater Loegria]

This. It all just adds up. Not singing the national anthem, being cosy with the IRA and Hezbollah and all the rest of it not to mention leading a party that increasingly race baits white British people.

Well since we're living in a fantasy world...

What?

[Vassenor]

Well since we're living in a fantasy world...

What?

You're just vomiting the press' fabrications about shit like the National Anthem and the IRA among other things.

[Souseiseki]

part of me is now super curious as to whether nicola sturgeon watches the queen's speech and sings god save the queen

[Vassenor]

Either way it's a sign of how fucked this country is that not watching a TV program is apparently more heinous a crime than sending millions more kids into poverty.

[Philjia]

Well, that's my postal ballot for Labour sent off, ensuring that the next five years of Conservative government aren't my fault.

[Ifreann]

part of me is now super curious as to whether nicola sturgeon watches the queen's speech and sings god save the queen

Does Boris watch the Queen's Speech with his 5-8 children?

[Dresderstan]

What could be worse for the Brexit Party than them plundering in the polls and not running in half the GB seats? How about 4 of their MEPs defecting back to the Tories.

[The Huskar Social Union]

What could be worse for the Brexit Party than them plundering in the polls and not running in half the GB seats? How about 4 of their MEPs defecting back to the Tories.

Lol

Nigel Farage Fan Club 2.0 seems to be running into some problems.

[Ifreann]

What could be worse for the Brexit Party than them plundering in the polls and not running in half the GB seats? How about 4 of their MEPs defecting back to the Tories.

Lol

Nigel Farage Fan Club 2.0 seems to be running into some problems.

Must be weird for Nigel for his MEPs to be ditching his party before he does.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Hmmmm

[Dumb Ideologies]

Ah, the joys of not proof-reading.

Just seen a consultation document where a local authority proposes an offer of free neutering for council house tenants.

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

Ah, the joys of not proof-reading.

Just seen a consultation document where a local authority proposes an offer of free neutering for council house tenants.

Was it Kensington and Chelsea?

[Ifreann]

Ah, the joys of not proof-reading.

Just seen a consultation document where a local authority proposes an offer of free neutering for council house tenants.

Oh no, they've said the quiet part loud.

[Novus America]

His pattern of prioritising helping the least fortunate in Britain over listening to the ramblings of some old billionaire.

Nobody is questioning Corbyns loyalty to the working classes. They are questioning whether he considers the british working class a priority even above foreign working class folk and the answer is no, he does not. It is theoretically incredibly simple to at least pretend to be a patriot as it is a framing device and need not support a particular political stance. Corbyn refuses to do so

This, and his foreign policies are his big failing and why he will likely lose.
Which is why Labour needs new leadership. Corbyn can appeal to people on economic bread and butter issues, but that alone is not enough.

He also needs to appeal to their national sentiments and identity.

The material conditions of all the people absolutely do (or at least should) matter but they are not the ONLY thing that matters.
I guess he is too stuck up in dialectical materialism stuff, that all that matters are the material conditions of the world proletariat and the rest is all distractions.

But things are in fact much more complicated than that.

[SD_Film Artists]

I think it's Corbyn's pattern of behaviour that is at fault rather than simply that he didn't watch the Queen's speech.

His pattern of prioritising helping the least fortunate in Britain over listening to the ramblings of some old billionaire.

I don't see how that's relevant, unless you're saying that being patriotic and being left-wing are mutually exclusive.

[Greater Loegria]

What?

You're just vomiting the press' fabrications about shit like the National Anthem and the IRA among other things.

He didn’t sing the anthem and he and members of his shadow cabinet have frequently showed sympathy for the IRA.

[Vassenor]

You're just vomiting the press' fabrications about shit like the National Anthem and the IRA among other things.

He didn’t sing the anthem and he and members of his shadow cabinet have frequently showed sympathy for the IRA.

So on the one hand we have millions more kids being forced into poverty as a result of Austerity cuts. On the other hand WHY RED MAN NO SING.

Not sure how these two things are equivalent.

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Also Andrew Neil is pretty much confirming that Boris has chickened out and will not be sitting down with him for an interview.