UK Politics Thread XI: Boris' Big Bombastic Brexit Bash

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Provoking that scale of constitutional crisis is not something the elites want to do. They're already spooked with how bad this one has gotten. Doing something that might spill over into actual street fighting is not the way the wealthy want shit to go down.

Ya but BoJo seems to be hell bent on achieving Brexit by any means necessary. I don’t think he gonna care

In his position I'd do it without a second thought. The people voted, the parliament don't care, thus parliamentary sovereignty goes in the bin.

[Ostroeuropa]

Johnson has sent the letter requesting the extension, but hasn't signed it.

This is so fucking ridiculously petty it beggers belief.

So the EU has to send it back.

Who wants to bet he tries to go "WELL TECHNICALLY-" and argue that case all the way to a court trial?

[Philjia]

On the lighter side, UKIP's NEC is trying to suspend the party leader, Dick Braine. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... ard-braine

[New haven america]

Johnson has sent the letter requesting the extension, but hasn't signed it.

This is so fucking ridiculously petty it beggers belief.

So the EU has to send it back.

Who wants to bet he tries to go "WELL TECHNICALLY-" and argue that case all the way to a court trial?

The EU should kick out the UK and see what happens.

[Farnhamia]

Johnson has sent the letter requesting the extension, but hasn't signed it.

This is so fucking ridiculously petty it beggers belief.

So the EU has to send it back.

Who wants to bet he tries to go "WELL TECHNICALLY-" and argue that case all the way to a court trial?

The EU should kick out the UK and see what happens.

It couldn't hurt.

[New haven america]

The EU should kick out the UK and see what happens.

It couldn't hurt.

Like, it could be a trial period.

"You're out for 6 months, see how you like it. Then we can actually get work done."

[Gormwood]

On the lighter side, UKIP's NEC is trying to suspend the party leader, Dick Braine. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... ard-braine

I bet he hates his parents.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Johnson has sent the letter requesting the extension, but hasn't signed it.

This is so fucking ridiculously petty it beggers belief.

So the EU has to send it back.

Who wants to bet he tries to go "WELL TECHNICALLY-" and argue that case all the way to a court trial?

Does the act actually mandate he signs the letter?

[Greed and Death]

France has announced they will not approve the extension unless the Prime Minister of the UK signs the request.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

France has announced they will not approve the extension unless the Prime Minister of the UK signs the request.

You've posted nonsense news before (Ruso-turkish war springs to mind) so source?

[Greed and Death]

France has announced they will not approve the extension unless the Prime Minister of the UK signs the request.

You've posted nonsense news before (Ruso-turkish war springs to mind) so source?

I maybe jumped the gun on a reddit thread.

Though I have another issue that just cropped up. Isn't Boris Johnson on the European Council by virtue of being the UK's prime minister ? And an extension of Brexit requires unanimous consent of the council ?

Couldn't he just down vote the extension request ? In fact the letter to Tusker seems to suggest he will be there if the council is convened. I think the implication is he intends to down vote his own extension request.

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

Couldn't we at least make Johnson sleep in a ditch?

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

You've posted nonsense news before (Ruso-turkish war springs to mind) so source?

I maybe jumped the gun on a reddit thread.

Though I have another issue that just cropped up. Isn't Boris Johnson on the European Council by virtue of being the UK's prime minister ? And an extension of Brexit requires unanimous consent of the council ?

Couldn't he just down vote the extension request ? In fact the letter to Tusker seems to suggest he will be there if the council is convened. I think the implication is he intends to down vote his own extension request.

No, when the Council votes on matters relating to the exit of a member, only the remaining member States vote, precisely to prevent this kind of fuckery.

However, the UK has to agree with the extension, and the question is whether an unsigned letter counts as such an agreement. I’d say, formally, it does.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

Johnson has sent the letter requesting the extension, but hasn't signed it.

This is so fucking ridiculously petty it beggers belief.

So the EU has to send it back.

Who wants to bet he tries to go "WELL TECHNICALLY-" and argue that case all the way to a court trial?

The EU does not have to send it back. Signing a letter is not actually required by EU law, it is just a formality.

[Izandai]

Ya but BoJo seems to be hell bent on achieving Brexit by any means necessary. I don’t think he gonna care

In his position I'd do it without a second thought. The people voted, the parliament don't care, thus parliamentary sovereignty goes in the bin.

The people were lied to.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

Ya but BoJo seems to be hell bent on achieving Brexit by any means necessary. I don’t think he gonna care

In his position I'd do it without a second thought. The people voted, the parliament don't care, thus parliamentary sovereignty goes in the bin.

Which might be what you want to happen, but that’s not actually how the system works.

[Vassenor]

Ya but BoJo seems to be hell bent on achieving Brexit by any means necessary. I don’t think he gonna care

In his position I'd do it without a second thought. The people voted, the parliament don't care, thus parliamentary sovereignty goes in the bin.

So in other words you admit that the people voted for lies.

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

Isn't there a legal principle in the UK that courts take a dim view of obeying the letter of the law but in a way that makes a mockery of it?

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

Isn't there a legal principle in the UK that courts take a dim view of obeying the letter of the law but in a way that makes a mockery of it?

Generally, yes. They generally don’t look at the letter, but at the purpose of the law. When looking at the Benn act, we courts know that it isn’t meant to be a miniscule subsidy of British Mail, it is meant to achieve a delay. So by doing this trickery, Boris is simply violating the law.

Mind, the past year has been an excruciating pain for me, because there are people like JRM who seem to have found out about laws just yesterday, and think the system can be rigged so easily. And their supporters are calling them legal geniuses over it. No, trust me. The concept of law is more than 5000 years old, you’re not the first to think of these so-called ‘loopholes’. Sit down.

[The New California Republic]

The EU should kick out the UK and see what happens.

It couldn't hurt.

I'm quite good at gathering berries and mushrooms.

[Chan Island]

The grapevine seems to think that the EU will accept the extension even without the signature.

[The Blaatschapen]

Isn't there a legal principle in the UK that courts take a dim view of obeying the letter of the law but in a way that makes a mockery of it?

Generally, yes. They generally don’t look at the letter, but at the purpose of the law. When looking at the Benn act, we courts know that it isn’t meant to be a miniscule subsidy of British Mail, it is meant to achieve a delay. So by doing this trickery, Boris is simply violating the law.

Mind, the past year has been an excruciating pain for me, because there are people like JRM who seem to have found out about laws just yesterday, and think the system can be rigged so easily. And their supporters are calling them legal geniuses over it. No, trust me. The concept of law is more than 5000 years old, you’re not the first to think of these so-called ‘loopholes’. Sit down.

https://xkcd.com/1494/

[Dooom35796821595]

The grapevine seems to think that the EU will accept the extension even without the signature.

That would be a stupid move on the EUs part, since parliament would just waste it then ask for another.

Didn’t Thatcher threaten to stop paying into the EU budget since we were paying too much? Perhaps Boris can make a similar threat in the event of an extension.

[Vassenor]

The grapevine seems to think that the EU will accept the extension even without the signature.

That would be a stupid move on the EUs part, since parliament would just waste it then ask for another.

Didn’t Thatcher threaten to stop paying into the EU budget since we were paying too much? Perhaps Boris can make a similar threat in the event of an extension.

And you know this for certain how?

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

The grapevine seems to think that the EU will accept the extension even without the signature.

That would be a stupid move on the EUs part, since parliament would just waste it then ask for another.

Didn’t Thatcher threaten to stop paying into the EU budget since we were paying too much? Perhaps Boris can make a similar threat in the event of an extension.

Aren't we all a bit tired of Johnson making empty threats and promises?