UK Politics Thread XI: Boris' Big Bombastic Brexit Bash

[Greater vakolicci haven]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-51151182

Rough sex murder defence: Why campaigners want it banned

[...]

Ms Millane, from Wickford in Essex, was murdered in New Zealand, but back home in England former solicitor general Harriet Harman wants the law changed to stop men from being able to use the defence of "rough sex gone wrong" - even if the death is a genuine accident. They should always be prosecuted for murder, the Labour MP believes, and it is "his bad luck" if a man accidentally kills his partner during sex.

[...]

The group We Can't Consent To This has collated 59 examples of women "killed by men who claim a sex game, gone wrong" and, along with Ms Harman, is demanding that the rough sex defence should be outlawed. The group's numerous supporters include the Guardian newspaper and women's magazine Grazia.

When Grazia asked Prime Minister Boris Johnson about the proposal, he said: "I agree with Harriet Harman that the '50 Shades defence' is unacceptable and we'll make sure the law is clear on this."

[...]

A second amendment backed by campaigners is to do with people consenting to being injured.

In the late 1980s, in a case known as R v Brown, the UK's highest court ruled that consent was not a defence to actual bodily harm (ABH). The judgement concluded a case in which a group of men had willingly submitted to whippings and beatings, for sexual satisfaction. Evidence had only come to light because the men had videotaped the acts.

What Ms Harman wants is for this to be written into the bill going through Parliament.

"R v Brown is in case law but bearing in mind we've got a new Domestic Abuse Bill, it would be right to put it in statute law," she said. "Statute law is much more under the noses of the judiciary and the prosecutors and the defence."

But barristers are cautious.

"Kneejerk" legislation that is a response to prominent campaigning, risks "creating bad, unworkable" laws that fail to protect the public, said Caroline Goodwin QC, chairwoman of the Criminal Bar Association.

oh great boris johnson indicating he might use his great majority to pass yet another stupid fucking law regarding BDSM in the UK in regards to yet other moral panic campaign. it's good to see that after jeremy cobyrn and brexit tore apart parties and even the country as a whole we're back to the old days of labour and the conservatives coming together to pass some dumb bullshit law. r v brown continues to haunt us.

every time i allow myself to become complacent and think "huh maybe the UK isn't that bad" someone appears out of the shadows to remind me no this place is absolutely fucking insufferable.

R v Brown is a terrible court decision, and this will only make matters worse.

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

Aw Terry Jones has died.

[The Blaatschapen]

Aw Terry Jones has died.

Yes, just saw it

[Ifreann]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-51151182

Rough sex murder defence: Why campaigners want it banned

[...]

Ms Millane, from Wickford in Essex, was murdered in New Zealand, but back home in England former solicitor general Harriet Harman wants the law changed to stop men from being able to use the defence of "rough sex gone wrong" - even if the death is a genuine accident. They should always be prosecuted for murder, the Labour MP believes, and it is "his bad luck" if a man accidentally kills his partner during sex.

[...]

The group We Can't Consent To This has collated 59 examples of women "killed by men who claim a sex game, gone wrong" and, along with Ms Harman, is demanding that the rough sex defence should be outlawed. The group's numerous supporters include the Guardian newspaper and women's magazine Grazia.

When Grazia asked Prime Minister Boris Johnson about the proposal, he said: "I agree with Harriet Harman that the '50 Shades defence' is unacceptable and we'll make sure the law is clear on this."

[...]

A second amendment backed by campaigners is to do with people consenting to being injured.

In the late 1980s, in a case known as R v Brown, the UK's highest court ruled that consent was not a defence to actual bodily harm (ABH). The judgement concluded a case in which a group of men had willingly submitted to whippings and beatings, for sexual satisfaction. Evidence had only come to light because the men had videotaped the acts.

What Ms Harman wants is for this to be written into the bill going through Parliament.

"R v Brown is in case law but bearing in mind we've got a new Domestic Abuse Bill, it would be right to put it in statute law," she said. "Statute law is much more under the noses of the judiciary and the prosecutors and the defence."

But barristers are cautious.

"Kneejerk" legislation that is a response to prominent campaigning, risks "creating bad, unworkable" laws that fail to protect the public, said Caroline Goodwin QC, chairwoman of the Criminal Bar Association.

oh great boris johnson indicating he might use his great majority to pass yet another stupid fucking law regarding BDSM in the UK in regards to yet other moral panic campaign. it's good to see that after jeremy cobyrn and brexit tore apart parties and even the country as a whole we're back to the old days of labour and the conservatives coming together to pass some dumb bullshit law. r v brown continues to haunt us.

every time i allow myself to become complacent and think "huh maybe the UK isn't that bad" someone appears out of the shadows to remind me no this place is absolutely fucking insufferable.

and it is "his bad luck" if a man accidentally kills his partner during sex.

When you definitely care about protecting women and aren't just trying to ban weird sex.

[The New California Republic]

Aw Terry Jones has died.

Someone make a thread. I'm on mobile at the moment and creating threads on a mobile that require flair is rather difficult.

[The Blaatschapen]

Aw Terry Jones has died.

Someone make a thread. I'm on mobile at the moment and creating threads on a mobile that require flair is rather difficult.

Otherwise the thread might be closed for spam?

Wait, that seems aptly fit actually

[The Archregimancy]

Aw Terry Jones has died.

Not a surprise, unfortunately; he had been seriously ill with a particularly cruel and rare form of dementia for some time, and Michael Palin signalled the end was near towards the end of last year.

Palin went to visit his old friend frequently in the hope that it would help. He's always struck me as a fundamentally decent person; it's not just a front for public consumption.

[Gormwood]

Aw Terry Jones has died.

Wrong Terry.

[The New California Republic]

Someone make a thread. I'm on mobile at the moment and creating threads on a mobile that require flair is rather difficult.

Otherwise the thread might be closed for spam?

Wait, that seems aptly fit actually

Precisely.

His high pitched hag-like characters were the best.

He has been seriously ill for a long time though, so it was inevitable. RIP.

[The Archregimancy]

Terry Jones thread up:

viewtopic.php?f=20&t=480119

[The Blaatschapen]

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/polit ... ing/21/01/

Not the onion.

[LRON]

Cutting rebuttal! And this is why Corbyn and his lot managed to give one of the worst Labour showings in decades. I only hope one of his own acolytes takes over Labour so it can sink further.

Cool story bro.

Very cool indeed!

[Vassenor]

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/brexit-party-mep-worries-uk-will-no-longer-have-a-voice-in-europe-in-last-eu-parliament-sitting/21/01/

Not the onion.

Alternative headline: Brexit Party MEP upset that Brexit means Brexit.

[Gormwood]

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/brexit-party-mep-worries-uk-will-no-longer-have-a-voice-in-europe-in-last-eu-parliament-sitting/21/01/

Not the onion.

Alternative headline: Brexit Party MEP upset that Brexit means Brexit.

"Nigel Farage in need of face transplant after leopard attack."

[Ifreann]

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/brexit-party-mep-worries-uk-will-no-longer-have-a-voice-in-europe-in-last-eu-parliament-sitting/21/01/

Not the onion.

I know a way the UK could keep their voice in Europe.

[The New California Republic]

Lisa Nandy has secured the support of a few unions and Labour groups. I don't seriously believe she will win the leadership contest, but I can certainly see her becoming a prominent figure within Labour in the next decade.

[The Alma Mater]

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/brexit-party-mep-worries-uk-will-no-longer-have-a-voice-in-europe-in-last-eu-parliament-sitting/21/01/

Not the onion.

Surely it has to be ?
The onion I mean.

[New Bremerton]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-51151182

Rough sex murder defence: Why campaigners want it banned

[...]

Ms Millane, from Wickford in Essex, was murdered in New Zealand, but back home in England former solicitor general Harriet Harman wants the law changed to stop men from being able to use the defence of "rough sex gone wrong" - even if the death is a genuine accident. They should always be prosecuted for murder, the Labour MP believes, and it is "his bad luck" if a man accidentally kills his partner during sex.

[...]

The group We Can't Consent To This has collated 59 examples of women "killed by men who claim a sex game, gone wrong" and, along with Ms Harman, is demanding that the rough sex defence should be outlawed. The group's numerous supporters include the Guardian newspaper and women's magazine Grazia.

When Grazia asked Prime Minister Boris Johnson about the proposal, he said: "I agree with Harriet Harman that the '50 Shades defence' is unacceptable and we'll make sure the law is clear on this."

[...]

A second amendment backed by campaigners is to do with people consenting to being injured.

In the late 1980s, in a case known as R v Brown, the UK's highest court ruled that consent was not a defence to actual bodily harm (ABH). The judgement concluded a case in which a group of men had willingly submitted to whippings and beatings, for sexual satisfaction. Evidence had only come to light because the men had videotaped the acts.

What Ms Harman wants is for this to be written into the bill going through Parliament.

"R v Brown is in case law but bearing in mind we've got a new Domestic Abuse Bill, it would be right to put it in statute law," she said. "Statute law is much more under the noses of the judiciary and the prosecutors and the defence."

But barristers are cautious.

"Kneejerk" legislation that is a response to prominent campaigning, risks "creating bad, unworkable" laws that fail to protect the public, said Caroline Goodwin QC, chairwoman of the Criminal Bar Association.

oh great boris johnson indicating he might use his great majority to pass yet another stupid fucking law regarding BDSM in the UK in regards to yet other moral panic campaign. it's good to see that after jeremy cobyrn and brexit tore apart parties and even the country as a whole we're back to the old days of labour and the conservatives coming together to pass some dumb bullshit law. r v brown continues to haunt us.

every time i allow myself to become complacent and think "huh maybe the UK isn't that bad" someone appears out of the shadows to remind me no this place is absolutely fucking insufferable.

Man, this is fucked up. Fuck you, Harriet Harman. If these reactionary feminists have their way, this would be yet another gross invasion of privacy, a direct attack on the way of life of BDSM aficionados, and another nail in the coffin for due process. Just as I was celebrating Jess Phillips' sudden and welcome demise as a Labour leadership candidate due to her vile feminism and disgusting mockery of men's rights, which makes her even viler than Jeremy Corbyn and much more overtly bigoted, the UK never fails to once again set a poor example for the rest of the world by failing to combat the insidious rise of radical Third Wave feminism, instead opting to capitulate time and time again to these identitarian extremists.

I supported Boris Johnson partly because I believed that he, like Donald Trump, would act to completely stamp out this woke radical feminist bullshit once and for all and usher in an age of genuine equality between the sexes. That he is failing to do so is my first real disappointment with him since he won the recent general election. I hope I'm wrong though, and that his words don't necessarily match his actual deeds, and that this is just a minor and temporary miscalculation on his part. He really is the least bad of all the possible choices. I, for one, would never allow my human rights as a cishet male to be abridged in any way, shape or form. It's become a zero-sum game thanks to feminists who nowadays care more about tearing down men than empowering women.

I'm sorry you've had to suffer this authoritarian feminist crap for so many decades. Never take your freedoms for granted, because sooner or later, these authoritarian, self-styled "moral" crusaders are going to sneak into your country's corridors of power, backed by a small but extremely vocal minority of activists on the outside, and discreetly whittle them away one by one right under your noses all the while believing that they are the sole arbiters of all that is right and just. Cherish what freedoms you have left and defend them with your life, and keep fighting to regain the freedoms you have already lost.

[The Notorious Mad Jack]

Imagine thinking the Conservative Party would safeguard your rights or grants any new ones.

[Ostroeuropa]

Imagine thinking the Conservative Party would safeguard your rights or grants any new ones.

The issue is that they are a broad coalition without a coherent stance on human rights.

Labour would not be able to get away with this if people who didn't support feminists didn't vote for them. They'd have 0 seats.

The reason the tories wave it through is that they largely don't care, and of those that do, there's the moralist puritanical faction which outnumbers the egalitarian anti-feminist faction in the conservative party. If those sick of labour doing this joined up with the tories, that would no longer be the case.

Much like Brexit, I expect this will become a wedge issue the tories use in the future to divide Labour further.

[Vassenor]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-51151182



oh great boris johnson indicating he might use his great majority to pass yet another stupid fucking law regarding BDSM in the UK in regards to yet other moral panic campaign. it's good to see that after jeremy cobyrn and brexit tore apart parties and even the country as a whole we're back to the old days of labour and the conservatives coming together to pass some dumb bullshit law. r v brown continues to haunt us.

every time i allow myself to become complacent and think "huh maybe the UK isn't that bad" someone appears out of the shadows to remind me no this place is absolutely fucking insufferable.

Man, this is fucked up. Fuck you, Harriet Harman. If these reactionary feminists have their way, this would be yet another gross invasion of privacy, a direct attack on the way of life of BDSM aficionados, and another nail in the coffin for due process. Just as I was celebrating Jess Phillips' sudden and welcome demise as a Labour leadership candidate due to her vile feminism and disgusting mockery of men's rights, which makes her even viler than Jeremy Corbyn and much more overtly bigoted, the UK never fails to once again set a poor example for the rest of the world by failing to combat the insidious rise of radical Third Wave feminism, instead opting to capitulate time and time again to these identitarian extremists.

I supported Boris Johnson partly because I believed that he, like Donald Trump, would act to completely stamp out this woke radical feminist bullshit once and for all and usher in an age of genuine equality between the sexes. That he is failing to do so is my first real disappointment with him since he won the recent general election. I hope I'm wrong though, and that his words don't necessarily match his actual deeds, and that this is just a minor and temporary miscalculation on his part. He really is the least bad of all the possible choices. I, for one, would never allow my human rights as a cishet male to be abridged in any way, shape or form. It's become a zero-sum game thanks to feminists who nowadays care more about tearing down men than empowering women.

I'm sorry you've had to suffer this authoritarian feminist crap for so many decades. Never take your freedoms for granted, because sooner or later, these authoritarian, self-styled "moral" crusaders are going to sneak into your country's corridors of power, backed by a small but extremely vocal minority of activists on the outside, and discreetly whittle them away one by one right under your noses all the while believing that they are the sole arbiters of all that is right and just. Cherish what freedoms you have left and defend them with your life, and keep fighting to regain the freedoms you have already lost.

So what is unequal about this? Or were you just looking for an excuse to scream about feminists ruining everything?

[Souseiseki]

Man, this is fucked up. Fuck you, Harriet Harman. If these reactionary feminists have their way, this would be yet another gross invasion of privacy, a direct attack on the way of life of BDSM aficionados, and another nail in the coffin for due process. Just as I was celebrating Jess Phillips' sudden and welcome demise as a Labour leadership candidate due to her vile feminism and disgusting mockery of men's rights, which makes her even viler than Jeremy Corbyn and much more overtly bigoted, the UK never fails to once again set a poor example for the rest of the world by failing to combat the insidious rise of radical Third Wave feminism, instead opting to capitulate time and time again to these identitarian extremists.

I supported Boris Johnson partly because I believed that he, like Donald Trump, would act to completely stamp out this woke radical feminist bullshit once and for all and usher in an age of genuine equality between the sexes. That he is failing to do so is my first real disappointment with him since he won the recent general election. I hope I'm wrong though, and that his words don't necessarily match his actual deeds, and that this is just a minor and temporary miscalculation on his part. He really is the least bad of all the possible choices. I, for one, would never allow my human rights as a cishet male to be abridged in any way, shape or form. It's become a zero-sum game thanks to feminists who nowadays care more about tearing down men than empowering women.

I'm sorry you've had to suffer this authoritarian feminist crap for so many decades. Never take your freedoms for granted, because sooner or later, these authoritarian, self-styled "moral" crusaders are going to sneak into your country's corridors of power, backed by a small but extremely vocal minority of activists on the outside, and discreetly whittle them away one by one right under your noses all the while believing that they are the sole arbiters of all that is right and just. Cherish what freedoms you have left and defend them with your life, and keep fighting to regain the freedoms you have already lost.

So what is unequal about this? Or were you just looking for an excuse to scream about feminists ruining everything?

this law is very clearly framed in terms of protecting poor women from dangerous men. the connection is obvious.

[Vassenor]

So what is unequal about this? Or were you just looking for an excuse to scream about feminists ruining everything?

this law is very clearly framed in terms of protecting poor women from dangerous men. the connection is obvious.

I didn't know women were incapable of killing their partners during sex.

[Ostroeuropa]

this law is very clearly framed in terms of protecting poor women from dangerous men. the connection is obvious.

I didn't know women were incapable of killing their partners during sex.

Why don't you tell these feminist campaigners that then?

Lemme get this straight Vass.

If a high profile politician went out there saying we needed stop and search to crack down on the violent negro population who wont stop stabbing people, and the prime minister agreed, you'd be like "I don't see the problem."
And when someone points out the problem to you, your response is; "White people can do stabbings too, so nothing about what's happening is racist."

That's a fundamental failure to grasp what we're discussing.

Or is it, yet again, a clear demonstration of how your principles don't apply when it's males being victimized?

[Gormwood]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-51151182



oh great boris johnson indicating he might use his great majority to pass yet another stupid fucking law regarding BDSM in the UK in regards to yet other moral panic campaign. it's good to see that after jeremy cobyrn and brexit tore apart parties and even the country as a whole we're back to the old days of labour and the conservatives coming together to pass some dumb bullshit law. r v brown continues to haunt us.

every time i allow myself to become complacent and think "huh maybe the UK isn't that bad" someone appears out of the shadows to remind me no this place is absolutely fucking insufferable.

Man, this is fucked up. Fuck you, Harriet Harman. If these reactionary feminists have their way, this would be yet another gross invasion of privacy, a direct attack on the way of life of BDSM aficionados, and another nail in the coffin for due process. Just as I was celebrating Jess Phillips' sudden and welcome demise as a Labour leadership candidate due to her vile feminism and disgusting mockery of men's rights, which makes her even viler than Jeremy Corbyn and much more overtly bigoted, the UK never fails to once again set a poor example for the rest of the world by failing to combat the insidious rise of radical Third Wave feminism, instead opting to capitulate time and time again to these identitarian extremists.

I supported Boris Johnson partly because I believed that he, like Donald Trump, would act to completely stamp out this woke radical feminist bullshit once and for all and usher in an age of genuine equality between the sexes. That he is failing to do so is my first real disappointment with him since he won the recent general election. I hope I'm wrong though, and that his words don't necessarily match his actual deeds, and that this is just a minor and temporary miscalculation on his part. He really is the least bad of all the possible choices. I, for one, would never allow my human rights as a cishet male to be abridged in any way, shape or form. It's become a zero-sum game thanks to feminists who nowadays care more about tearing down men than empowering women.

I'm sorry you've had to suffer this authoritarian feminist crap for so many decades. Never take your freedoms for granted, because sooner or later, these authoritarian, self-styled "moral" crusaders are going to sneak into your country's corridors of power, backed by a small but extremely vocal minority of activists on the outside, and discreetly whittle them away one by one right under your noses all the while believing that they are the sole arbiters of all that is right and just. Cherish what freedoms you have left and defend them with your life, and keep fighting to regain the freedoms you have already lost.

You actually believe Trump would crack down on feminism for equality rather than putting women In Their Place.