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Who do you support to become the next Labour Party Leader?

Clive Lewis (DROPPED OUT)
2
2%
Keir Starmer (Shadow Brexit Secretary, MP for Holborn and St Pancras)
48
41%
Lisa Nandy (MP for Wigan)
11
9%
Jess Phillips (DROPPED OUT)
17
15%
Emily Thornberry (Shadow First Secretary of State, MP for Islington South and Finsbury)
7
6%
Yvette Cooper (DROPPED OUT)
1
1%
Dan Jarvis (DROPPED OUT)
1
1%
Ian Lavery (DROPPED OUT)
1
1%
Rebecca Long Bailey (Shadow Business Secretary, MP for Salford and Eccles)
17
15%
Other (Please state who in a reply)
11
9%
 
Total votes : 116

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Postby Chan Island » Wed Jan 15, 2020 6:31 am

Hirota wrote:Credit where Credit is due, Jess dealt with the anti-semitic snake in her ranks.

https://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/jess ... p-1.495280

Now it's in the hands of the party to decide if they want to continue to be seen to be institutionally antisemitic or not.


I sometimes feel like Jess Phillips has seen my opposition to her candidacy and decided to try everything she can to convince me personally that she's awesome. I mean, it's not enough yet, but dang. Woman's on a roll.

Servilis wrote:Twitter had a whole meltdown about Boris J. playing around with the English language while talking about something about Big Ben, dunno', my area of politics is that of what the Right Wing calls "Identity Politics", I don't usually go around debating what to do about a giant clock that won't be restored until next year.
Just wanted to put my useless take on it, k bai.


For context- BoJo is supporting ringing Big Ben for Brexit Day. Currently the clocktower isn't ringing due to long overdue repair works and the obvious danger that ringing a bell the size of a car next to workers on scaffolding.

Ringing it represents a giant delay and expense to the actual repair work, as the clacker has been removed for now, and it would have to either be put back or replaced.

This whole fiasco wouldn't have happened if that chief engineer didn't concede any ground on the ringing of the bell. I remember being so mad at him back in 2018 when he floated the idea of potentially ringing it on special occasions. No, there's work to do and better things for the Twitterati and politicians to waste time, ink and breath on than debating the merits of whether this or that occasion qualify. To steal from the Tories- let's just get the repairs done. Then we can enjoy the view of the tower without scaffolding again.


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Bear Stearns wrote:How does an Englishman end up with the name Boris?


The same way he ends up with the name de Pfeffel


Or end up with the name Alexander.

I mean, come on, who's actually named Alexander? :p ;)

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Novus America wrote:
The Eiksund Tunnel in Norway is 287 meters deep. The Seikan Tunnel 240 meters deep.
Now I cannot find a good list of bridges by water depth but some oil platforms are built in water 300 meters deep. Nordhordland Bridge crosses water 5,000 meters deep.

So deeper water has been dealt with.

But sure it would be a Keynesian mega project and engineering challenge, but that is much of what makes it interesting. And sure it might take a decade or more to construct but that is fine, creating jobs and demand for a decade or more.


Tunnels are not bridges. Oil rigs are not bridges. Nordhundlund bridge is a fucking pontoon bridge.


A pontoon bridge over a tiny fraction the distance as this proposal to boot.

It'd be impossible as hell, but we could still give it a crack. At the very least, the real bridge could be the friends we make along the way. :p

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And the House of Lords could be elected via Approval Voting or AV. Wouldn't that be nice. :blush:

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I'm sold. Let's do this.
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Novus America wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:
Tunnels are not bridges. Oil rigs are not bridges. Nordhundlund bridge is a fucking pontoon bridge.


Tunnels are still a crossing. It could be a tunnel. It could use pontoons in sections.
And pilings (yes not specifically for bridges but still pilings) have been built in 300 meter deep water. A crossing is certainly very possible to do. It would not be easy, but can obviously be done.


Tunnels are not under discussion. Pontoon bridges are, inherently, very low to the water. They're not something you can reasonably build across a busy shipping lane.
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Chan Island wrote:
Hirota wrote:Credit where Credit is due, Jess dealt with the anti-semitic snake in her ranks.

https://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/jess ... p-1.495280

Now it's in the hands of the party to decide if they want to continue to be seen to be institutionally antisemitic or not.


I sometimes feel like Jess Phillips has seen my opposition to her candidacy and decided to try everything she can to convince me personally that she's awesome. I mean, it's not enough yet, but dang. Woman's on a roll.

Servilis wrote:Twitter had a whole meltdown about Boris J. playing around with the English language while talking about something about Big Ben, dunno', my area of politics is that of what the Right Wing calls "Identity Politics", I don't usually go around debating what to do about a giant clock that won't be restored until next year.
Just wanted to put my useless take on it, k bai.


For context- BoJo is supporting ringing Big Ben for Brexit Day. Currently the clocktower isn't ringing due to long overdue repair works and the obvious danger that ringing a bell the size of a car next to workers on scaffolding.

Ringing it represents a giant delay and expense to the actual repair work, as the clacker has been removed for now, and it would have to either be put back or replaced.

This whole fiasco wouldn't have happened if that chief engineer didn't concede any ground on the ringing of the bell. I remember being so mad at him back in 2018 when he floated the idea of potentially ringing it on special occasions. No, there's work to do and better things for the Twitterati and politicians to waste time, ink and breath on than debating the merits of whether this or that occasion qualify. To steal from the Tories- let's just get the repairs done. Then we can enjoy the view of the tower without scaffolding again.


Salandriagado wrote:
The same way he ends up with the name de Pfeffel


Or end up with the name Alexander.

I mean, come on, who's actually named Alexander? :p ;)

Salandriagado wrote:
Tunnels are not bridges. Oil rigs are not bridges. Nordhundlund bridge is a fucking pontoon bridge.


A pontoon bridge over a tiny fraction the distance as this proposal to boot.

It'd be impossible as hell, but we could still give it a crack. At the very least, the real bridge could be the friends we make along the way. :p

The Free Joy State wrote:I agree that electing the House of Commons by PR would be preferable.


And the House of Lords could be elected via Approval Voting or AV. Wouldn't that be nice. :blush:

An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:Perhaps we could have an HS3 to connect Leeds or Manchester with Portpatrick.


I'm sold. Let's do this.

Allow me to ask, what do you see in Jess Philips as a candidate?
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Postby Novus America » Wed Jan 15, 2020 6:51 am

Salandriagado wrote:
Novus America wrote:
Tunnels are still a crossing. It could be a tunnel. It could use pontoons in sections.
And pilings (yes not specifically for bridges but still pilings) have been built in 300 meter deep water. A crossing is certainly very possible to do. It would not be easy, but can obviously be done.


Tunnels are not under discussion. Pontoon bridges are, inherently, very low to the water. They're not something you can reasonably build across a busy shipping lane.


Norway uses some hybrid bridges, which are part cable bridges, part pontoon bridges.
Nordhundlund bridge is one such bridge. Ships can pass under Nordhundlund bridge.
It could be cable stayed in parts, pontoon in parts.

And you can actually build a pontoon pretty high above the water using such hybrid techniques.

Norway has the technology.

They simple fact is that a bridge COULD be built across the North Channel.
It would be expensive and challenging sure, but is still doable.
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Are those MPs who dropped out now cantdidates?
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The Blaatschapen wrote:Are those MPs who dropped out now cantdidates?

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The Blaatschapen wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/jan/15/being-wealthy-adds-nine-years-to-life-expectancy-says-study

What we all knew already.

Just look at Queen Elizabeth II ;)

But but... The lead singer of Kansas said that "all your money won't another minute buy" :(

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Postby Chan Island » Wed Jan 15, 2020 7:10 am

The Blaatschapen wrote:Are those MPs who dropped out now cantdidates?


Too soon.

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:
Chan Island wrote:
I sometimes feel like Jess Phillips has seen my opposition to her candidacy and decided to try everything she can to convince me personally that she's awesome. I mean, it's not enough yet, but dang. Woman's on a roll.



For context- BoJo is supporting ringing Big Ben for Brexit Day. Currently the clocktower isn't ringing due to long overdue repair works and the obvious danger that ringing a bell the size of a car next to workers on scaffolding.

Ringing it represents a giant delay and expense to the actual repair work, as the clacker has been removed for now, and it would have to either be put back or replaced.

This whole fiasco wouldn't have happened if that chief engineer didn't concede any ground on the ringing of the bell. I remember being so mad at him back in 2018 when he floated the idea of potentially ringing it on special occasions. No, there's work to do and better things for the Twitterati and politicians to waste time, ink and breath on than debating the merits of whether this or that occasion qualify. To steal from the Tories- let's just get the repairs done. Then we can enjoy the view of the tower without scaffolding again.




Or end up with the name Alexander.

I mean, come on, who's actually named Alexander? :p ;)



A pontoon bridge over a tiny fraction the distance as this proposal to boot.

It'd be impossible as hell, but we could still give it a crack. At the very least, the real bridge could be the friends we make along the way. :p



And the House of Lords could be elected via Approval Voting or AV. Wouldn't that be nice. :blush:



I'm sold. Let's do this.

Allow me to ask, what do you see in Jess Philips as a candidate?


An intelligent but very divisive MP who would fully kickstart the Men's Rights Movement and paralyse efforts to unite the opposition around the Labour banner if she were made the Labour leader.

Who has over the past week been saying and doing a series of things I happen to find awesome about the House of Lords and antisemitism. Which honestly feels very strange, but also quite nice.
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Postby Chan Island » Wed Jan 15, 2020 7:13 am

Neu California wrote:
The Blaatschapen wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/jan/15/being-wealthy-adds-nine-years-to-life-expectancy-says-study

What we all knew already.

Just look at Queen Elizabeth II ;)

But but... The lead singer of Kansas said that "all your money won't another minute buy" :(

:p


Kansas fans when they find out the truth about wealth and longevity.


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West Leas Oros 2 wrote:Allow me to ask, what do you see in Jess Philips as a candidate?
Me personally; not much. I think she's pretending to be "one of the people." But she's slightly more genuine looking than most of the others.
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The Wildlife Trust said the high-speed rail line linking London and northern England could wipe out rare species. The organisation says if the project, which is currently on hold, goes ahead a "greener" approach will be needed.

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Has Brexit happened yet? No? Aight bet. Somebody tell me in like 50 years when it finally does
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Bear Stearns wrote:How does an Englishman end up with the name Boris?

He was born in New York, I bet it's an American thing. *nods*
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The Notorious Mad Jack wrote:
Bear Stearns wrote:How does an Englishman end up with the name Boris?

He was born in New York, I bet it's an American thing. *nods*

Oh God, another insufferable, incompetent blonde from New York.
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The Blaatschapen wrote:Are those MPs who dropped out now cantdidates?

Alright someone get the shears.
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The Huskar Social Union wrote:
The Blaatschapen wrote:Are those MPs who dropped out now cantdidates?

Alright someone get the shears.


The hears, I am male after all.
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The Huskar Social Union wrote:Alright someone get the shears.


The hears, I am male after all.

*bolt gun noises*
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Rojava Free State wrote:Has Brexit happened yet? No? Aight bet. Somebody tell me in like 50 years when it finally does


The UK officially leaves the 31st but there will be a transition period after that. Officially said transition is 11 months but will almost certainly be extended.
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The Blaatschapen wrote:
The hears, I am male after all.

*bolt gun noises*

Put it down Javier.
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Bear Stearns wrote:How does an Englishman end up with the name Boris?

He was born in New York, I bet it's an American thing. *nods*


Boris isn't an American name either.
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I think Bastille predicted Labour's current situation all the way back in 2013...

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The Notorious Mad Jack wrote:He was born in New York, I bet it's an American thing. *nods*


Boris isn't an American name either.


Likely story Ivan....

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Postby Ostroeuropa » Wed Jan 15, 2020 5:35 pm

RLB ahead in the polls now after momentum basically endorsed her.

First preference ballot:
R. Long-Bailey: 42%
K. Starmer: 37%
J. Phillips: 9%
L. Nandy: 7%
E. Thornberry: 1%

Second Preference Ballot:
R. Long-Bailey: 51%
K. Starmer: 49%


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Postby Fartsniffage » Wed Jan 15, 2020 5:37 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:RLB ahead in the polls now after momentum basically endorsed her.

First preference ballot:
R. Long-Bailey: 42%
K. Starmer: 37%
J. Phillips: 9%
L. Nandy: 7%
E. Thornberry: 1%

Second Preference Ballot:
R. Long-Bailey: 51%
K. Starmer: 49%


https://twitter.com/britainelects/statu ... 6007503872


Oh dear. :(

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