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Who do you support to become the next Labour Party Leader?

Clive Lewis (DROPPED OUT)
2
2%
Keir Starmer (Shadow Brexit Secretary, MP for Holborn and St Pancras)
48
41%
Lisa Nandy (MP for Wigan)
11
9%
Jess Phillips (DROPPED OUT)
17
15%
Emily Thornberry (Shadow First Secretary of State, MP for Islington South and Finsbury)
7
6%
Yvette Cooper (DROPPED OUT)
1
1%
Dan Jarvis (DROPPED OUT)
1
1%
Ian Lavery (DROPPED OUT)
1
1%
Rebecca Long Bailey (Shadow Business Secretary, MP for Salford and Eccles)
17
15%
Other (Please state who in a reply)
11
9%
 
Total votes : 116

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Postby Vassenor » Tue Jan 14, 2020 6:30 am

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Now remember that's just a fraction of the headlines. Those are just highlighting the absolute shameless double standards.

And also read those comments and despair. It's right there in front of them, plain as day, yet there are people there flatly denying it. The brainwashing can run very deep indeed.



My suspicion is that, if it's supposed to be distracting us from anything, it'll be from the fact that Boris Johnson and Dominic Raab have backed America over war with Iran. Though they have stopped short of directly saying they would join the USA in any such war, the US president has said that if the UK didn't, he would ensure we got a worse trade deal as a result.


So the UKs military is being held ransom for a trade deal?

What happened to sovereignty, taking the country back, etc.?

Did the EU ever ask the UK to spill the blood of its sons and daughters in a far away country? :unsure:


No, you see, handing our foreign and domestic policy over to Washington and its whims which we have no say over is totally OK but how dare people say we be part of a democratic union in Brussels that we do get a say in the running of.
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Postby Philjia » Tue Jan 14, 2020 6:35 am

Dumb Ideologies wrote:There's definitely a racial element to the amount of negative stories run about Meghan and some of the clear double standards deployed, just as there has been with other celebrities such as Raheem Sterling.

Not necessarily proof of conscious racial bias or dogwhistling, much is likely subconscious aversion influencing the interpretation they give on events. Tabloidy celeb journalism is more manufacturing of controversies and scurrilous rumour than hard fact so it's particularly prone to it.

It's not really a practical thing that could be regulated given that it is so interpretative and demonstrable only when the totality of press coverage is analysed; action on individual stories will tend to look disproportionate and the Press Freedom gang will rip it to SHREDS. What would you do - no negative stories about ethnic minorities? Quotas of positive stories?

I'm not sure what terminology would describe what the press is doing to Meghan, and I don't think there's a legal standard for it, and I think it would be difficult to develop one, but there probably should be something under tort law that at least discourages the press from engaging in this kind of thing.

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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Tue Jan 14, 2020 6:37 am

Manchester sex abuse: 'Fundamental flaws' left children unprotected

Police and social workers investigating child sex exploitation in Manchester knew children were suffering "the most profound abuse... but did not protect them", a report has found.

After a child's death in 2003, police identified at least 97 "predominantly Asian" suspects, but "very few" faced justice, the independent review found.

The police operation was "prematurely closed down" after senior officers decided to "remove resources", it said.

Police said "authorities fell short".

Greater Manchester Police (GMP) Assistant Chief Constable Mabs Hussain said the force was now reviewing all the cases covered in the report and had made a voluntary referral to the Independent Office for Police Conduct "to determine if there are any conduct matters that should be investigated".

The report, commissioned by Greater Manchester Mayor Andy Burnham as a result of the 2017 BBC documentary The Betrayed Girls, focussed on the death in 2003 of 15-year-old Victoria Agoglia, who was in the care of Manchester City Council, and GMP's subsequent Operation Augusta.

Victoria's grandmother Joan Agoglia said the publication of the report made her feel "wonderful as I've been fighting for this all my life, it seems".

'Injected with heroin'
The operation was set up to tackle "the sexual exploitation throughout a wide area of a significant number of children in the care system by predominantly Asian men", it said.

It said despite Victoria's carers being aware of her being subjected to "multiple threats, sexual assaults and serious sexual exploitation" and revealing she was being "injected with heroin by an older Asian man... no action was taken by the police or social care".

She subsequently died "having been administered an overdose", but the men who exploited her "have never been brought to justice", the report said, adding that its authors had been denied access to files relating to Victoria by the Manchester coroner.

At the time she died, Manchester Social Services said it had done everything possible to keep Victoria safe.

In 2004, a 50-year-old man was cleared of her manslaughter, but admitted two offences of injecting her with heroin and was jailed.

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What a fucking travesty all this shit has been

There is a good bit more info in the article, recommend reading it.
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Postby Shamhnan Insir » Tue Jan 14, 2020 6:51 am

UK govt says no to new Scotland Indyref.
Now we cross live to Holyrood to listen in as the eternal whinging continues.

More seriously, this is somewhat useful for the SNP to drag this out even more and distract from the increasing pile of domestic problems they have wrought. The faithful will in no doubt be frothing at the mouth once again, but as time goes on this saga is only doing more damage.
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Stormont deal: Health minister Swann makes £30m pay offer

I wonder how the striking nurses will take it, if they will go for it or not
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Postby The New California Republic » Tue Jan 14, 2020 6:57 am

Shamhnan Insir wrote:UK govt says no to new Scotland Indyref.
Now we cross live to Holyrood to listen in as the eternal whinging continues.

:lol2:

Shamhnan Insir wrote:More seriously, this is somewhat useful for the SNP to drag this out even more and distract from the increasing pile of domestic problems they have wrought. The faithful will in no doubt be frothing at the mouth once again, but as time goes on this saga is only doing more damage.

Need something to distract the populace from that incompetence.
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Postby Ifreann » Tue Jan 14, 2020 6:59 am

Shamhnan Insir wrote:UK govt says no to new Scotland Indyref.
Now we cross live to Holyrood to listen in as the eternal whinging continues.

More seriously, this is somewhat useful for the SNP to drag this out even more and distract from the increasing pile of domestic problems they have wrought. The faithful will in no doubt be frothing at the mouth once again, but as time goes on this saga is only doing more damage.

The obvious response is for Scottish independence supporters to block the construction of that bridge Boris wants.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Tue Jan 14, 2020 7:10 am

Ifreann wrote:
Shamhnan Insir wrote:UK govt says no to new Scotland Indyref.
Now we cross live to Holyrood to listen in as the eternal whinging continues.

More seriously, this is somewhat useful for the SNP to drag this out even more and distract from the increasing pile of domestic problems they have wrought. The faithful will in no doubt be frothing at the mouth once again, but as time goes on this saga is only doing more damage.

The obvious response is for Scottish independence supporters to block the construction of that bridge Boris wants.


Boris wants a bridge?

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Postby Ifreann » Tue Jan 14, 2020 7:13 am

Fartsniffage wrote:
Ifreann wrote:The obvious response is for Scottish independence supporters to block the construction of that bridge Boris wants.


Boris wants a bridge?

Linking Scotland and Northern Ireland. And he seems to think the EU will chip in to pay for it.
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Tue Jan 14, 2020 7:21 am

Ifreann wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
Boris wants a bridge?

Linking Scotland and Northern Ireland. And he seems to think the EU will chip in to pay for it.

Let's call it a causeway instead. From Fingal's cave to the Giant's :)
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Postby The New California Republic » Tue Jan 14, 2020 7:23 am

The Blaatschapen wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Linking Scotland and Northern Ireland. And he seems to think the EU will chip in to pay for it.

Let's call it a causeway instead. From Fingal's cave to the Giant's :)

Plonk the massive supporting concrete pillars tastefully on top of the Giant's Causeway. :)
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Postby Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States » Tue Jan 14, 2020 7:38 am

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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Tue Jan 14, 2020 7:39 am

Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:Jonhson supports replacing Iran nuclear agreement with Trump-style deal

The UK turning into a US vassal in real time.

Make Britain a bitch again.
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Postby Novus America » Tue Jan 14, 2020 7:39 am

Ifreann wrote:
Shamhnan Insir wrote:UK govt says no to new Scotland Indyref.
Now we cross live to Holyrood to listen in as the eternal whinging continues.

More seriously, this is somewhat useful for the SNP to drag this out even more and distract from the increasing pile of domestic problems they have wrought. The faithful will in no doubt be frothing at the mouth once again, but as time goes on this saga is only doing more damage.

The obvious response is for Scottish independence supporters to block the construction of that bridge Boris wants.


Actually:
“By 2019 Nicola Sturgeon spoke out in favour of the bridge, stating that "Whether it's around a bridge or in other ways strengthening the relationship between Scotland, the north of Ireland and the Republic of Ireland is a big priority for my government."[53]” https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propose ... onnections
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Tue Jan 14, 2020 7:40 am

The bridge is a waste of resources and not really feasible, so imagine spending the money on something worthwhile instead.
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Postby Alvecia » Tue Jan 14, 2020 7:42 am

Ifreann wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
Boris wants a bridge?

Linking Scotland and Northern Ireland. And he seems to think the EU will chip in to pay for it.

That'd be a fucking big bridge

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Postby Liriena » Tue Jan 14, 2020 7:48 am

Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:Jonhson supports replacing Iran nuclear agreement with Trump-style deal

The UK turning into a US vassal in real time.

[insert clip of Nigel Farage celebrating Brexit as the UK's independence day with an earrape version of the Curb your enthusiasm theme blaring in the background]

The UK became the dumbest country in the Anglosphere so quickly that my soul ascended to a higher plane of absurdism.
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Postby Liriena » Tue Jan 14, 2020 7:52 am

Novus America wrote:
Ifreann wrote:The obvious response is for Scottish independence supporters to block the construction of that bridge Boris wants.


Actually:
“By 2019 Nicola Sturgeon spoke out in favour of the bridge, stating that "Whether it's around a bridge or in other ways strengthening the relationship between Scotland, the north of Ireland and the Republic of Ireland is a big priority for my government."[53]” https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propose ... onnections

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The Huskar Social Union wrote:Manchester sex abuse: 'Fundamental flaws' left children unprotected

What a fucking travesty all this shit has been

There is a good bit more info in the article, recommend reading it.
I mean after Rotherham, Rochdale etc etc is anyone really shocked anymore by institutional failings to protect the vulnerable?
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Tue Jan 14, 2020 7:53 am

Liriena wrote:
Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:Jonhson supports replacing Iran nuclear agreement with Trump-style deal

The UK turning into a US vassal in real time.

[insert clip of Nigel Farage celebrating Brexit as the UK's independence day with an earrape version of the Curb your enthusiasm theme blaring in the background]

The UK became the dumbest country in the Anglosphere so quickly that my soul ascended to a higher plane of absurdism.

Not exactly the same but relevant
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Tue Jan 14, 2020 7:54 am

Hirota wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:Manchester sex abuse: 'Fundamental flaws' left children unprotected

What a fucking travesty all this shit has been

There is a good bit more info in the article, recommend reading it.
I mean after Rotherham, Rochdale etc etc is anyone really shocked anymore by institutional failings to protect the vulnerable?

Nah im not shocked per se, just utterly disgusted at this shite
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Postby Phoenicaea » Tue Jan 14, 2020 7:54 am

^at this stage, each of an institutional effort has been made inept (not credible) or devastated (as Un, which tyrants wished for the worse).

thing left, as xixth century, truly is people and “civil society” to rise against tyrants and exploiters families (against corruption, for rich countries).

people protests will do good for Middle East and for us all, not useless armies even uncapable to fight daesh-isis.

what has been passed in Syria, i believe, discredited the idea of war definitely. if you can t use armies when genocide comes, what is the sense?
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Postby Liriena » Tue Jan 14, 2020 7:57 am

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Liriena wrote:[insert clip of Nigel Farage celebrating Brexit as the UK's independence day with an earrape version of the Curb your enthusiasm theme blaring in the background]

The UK became the dumbest country in the Anglosphere so quickly that my soul ascended to a higher plane of absurdism.

Not exactly the same but relevant

This is wonderful.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Tue Jan 14, 2020 7:59 am

Liriena wrote:

This is wonderful.

Thats Jim Allister by the way in case people dont know who he is, which i assume is most of you

Leader of a small unionist party called the TUV, somehow even more extreme than the DUP. He is a bit of a cunt who opposes power sharing and is in general a bigoted anti irish twat, so i had a good laugh at this.

Also he wanted the first motion for the new executive to be to bring the queen to stormont. Of all the fucking things to possibly focus on and you go for something purposefully just to annoy people.
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