UK Politics Thread XI: Boris' Big Bombastic Brexit Bash

[Celritannia]

Somebody's giddy at the prospect of Boris actually Balkanizing the UK.

Boris Johnson Might Break Up the U.K. That’s a Good Thing

I don't exactly agree with all this.

[The Nihilistic view]

Oh well Clive Lewis just lost.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Oh well Clive Lewis just lost.

I take it you are referring to his call for a referendum regarding the royal family?

[The Nihilistic view]

Oh well Clive Lewis just lost.

I take it you are referring to his call for a referendum regarding the royal family?

Yeah, traditional working class Labour voters can be a pretty patriotic bunch including the monarchy. Even suggesting some kind of review is not a good idea to win them back. He just seems like he's trying to shout out to the echo chamber.

I thought he might be one of the sensible ones that gets it but apparently not.

[Celritannia]

I take it you are referring to his call for a referendum regarding the royal family?

Yeah, traditional working class Labour voters can be a pretty patriotic bunch including the monarchy. Even suggesting some kind of review is not a good idea to win them back. He just seems like he's trying to shout out to the echo chamber.

I thought he might be one of the sensible ones that gets it but apparently not.

And not as educated, which is what the Tories like.

[Vassenor]

I mean I disagree with the idea of breaking up the UK, but if that's what Johnson's stupidity has lead us to then so be it.

[Senegalboy]

100% agree with what you said.
Boris Johnson may even be the most powerful prime minister in living memory because he has got rid of the "wets" in his parliamentary party, the main opposition party is at it's weakest level since 1935 and I don't think they're learning their mistakes and finally Johnson has a cult like following amongst the membership.

On the issue of unity, I do believe that the new coalition of conservatives will hold as red wall and the liberal urban labour voters are completely different and have a different vision of their ideal Britain so i don't know how Labour will break the voting coalition.

So what happens when the Conservatives no longer have Brexit to rally those new voters around?

Brexit is a symptom of the wider increase of social conservatism.In the past, Labour held it's coalition because of the prominence of economic issues in the minds of the voters but now the social issues are taking prominence due to issues like massive demographic change, national identity and Britain's place in the world.
So if the next general elections are dominated by social issues which seems to be the trend then the tory coalition will hold.

[Vassenor]

So what happens when the Conservatives no longer have Brexit to rally those new voters around?

Brexit is a symptom of the wider increase of social conservatism.In the past, Labour held it's coalition because of the prominence of economic issues in the minds of the voters but now the social issues are taking prominence due to issues like massive demographic change, national identity and Britain's place in the world.
So if the next general elections are dominated by social issues which seems to be the trend then the tory coalition will hold.

...I don't know about you but I don't make the point of assuming the working class are inherently xenophobic.

[The Liberated Territories]

Somebody's giddy at the prospect of Boris actually Balkanizing the UK.

Boris Johnson Might Break Up the U.K. That’s a Good Thing

It's great. You can reestablish the ancient English Kingdoms of Mercia, Kent, Saxony, Wales, all under a constitutional federal republic guided by the Magna Carta.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Somebody's giddy at the prospect of Boris actually Balkanizing the UK.

Boris Johnson Might Break Up the U.K. That’s a Good Thing

It's great. You can reestablish the ancient English Kingdoms of Mercia, Kent, Saxony, Wales, all under a constitutional federal republic guided by the Magna Carta.

But not Northumbria, it belongs to Denmark.

[North German Realm]

It's great. You can reestablish the ancient English Kingdoms of Mercia, Kent, Saxony, Wales, all under a constitutional federal republic guided by the Magna Carta.

But not Northumbria, it belongs to Denmark.

Establish Essex, Wessex, Kent, Mercia, and East Anglia. Give the rest to Denmark as Jorvik. We'll decide on what to do with the rest of the UK after we're done with England

[Joohan]

Yeah, traditional working class Labour voters can be a pretty patriotic bunch including the monarchy. Even suggesting some kind of review is not a good idea to win them back. He just seems like he's trying to shout out to the echo chamber.

I thought he might be one of the sensible ones that gets it but apparently not.

And not as educated, which is what the Tories like.

Well would you look at that, the socialist neither likes nor understands the working class. Isnt that something?

[Souseiseki]

And not as educated, which is what the Tories like.

Well would you look at that, the socialist neither likes nor understands the working class. Isnt that something?

no UK politician really likes or understands the working class

[The Huskar Social Union]

Yeah, traditional working class Labour voters can be a pretty patriotic bunch including the monarchy. Even suggesting some kind of review is not a good idea to win them back. He just seems like he's trying to shout out to the echo chamber.

I thought he might be one of the sensible ones that gets it but apparently not.

And not as educated, which is what the Tories like.

How to win voters: Call them stupid


much success

[Joohan]

Well would you look at that, the socialist neither likes nor understands the working class. Isnt that something?

no UK politician really likes or understands the working class

I find most ironic though how few socialists are actually working class people, and are typically more from.the crowd of college students- or people.living in some kind of upper class privilege ( and likewise appealing to such sensibilities ).

So many radical leftists exist inside of a bubble separated from the actual working class they claim.to care about. Issues of immigration being a prime example!

[The Huskar Social Union]

no UK politician really likes or understands the working class

I find most ironic though how few socialists are actually working class people, and are typically more from.the crowd of college students- or people.living in some kind of upper class privilege ( and likewise appealing to such sensibilities ).

So many radical leftists exist inside of a bubble separated from the actual working class they claim.to care about. Issues of immigration being a prime example!

Well i was a university student till 2 years ago and In my case i am most certainly working class, living in Ballymurphy which is a heavily impoverished working class area in west belfast.

[Joohan]

I find most ironic though how few socialists are actually working class people, and are typically more from.the crowd of college students- or people.living in some kind of upper class privilege ( and likewise appealing to such sensibilities ).

So many radical leftists exist inside of a bubble separated from the actual working class they claim.to care about. Issues of immigration being a prime example!

Well i was a university student till 2 years ago and In my case i am most certainly working class, living in Ballymurphy which is a heavily impoverished working class area in west belfast.

Dont really know much about you friend. Your atheism seems to be in contradiction to your average working Irishman- but hey we're all exceptions in one way or another.

Have you ever seen what I described above though?

[The Huskar Social Union]

Well i was a university student till 2 years ago and In my case i am most certainly working class, living in Ballymurphy which is a heavily impoverished working class area in west belfast.

Dont really know much about you friend. Your atheism seems to be in contradiction to your average working Irishman- but hey we're all exceptions in one way or another.

You would be surprised how many of us are proud wee heathens nowadays. Ireland is not as devoutly catholic as it used to be, especially after some big scandals involving the catholic church, and up here in the North religion tends to not matter as much with a lot of younger people.

Have you ever seen what I described above though?

Oh yeah lots, usually online, some times in person.

[Souseiseki]

no UK politician really likes or understands the working class

I find most ironic though how few socialists are actually working class people, and are typically more from.the crowd of college students- or people.living in some kind of upper class privilege ( and likewise appealing to such sensibilities ).

So many radical leftists exist inside of a bubble separated from the actual working class they claim.to care about. Issues of immigration being a prime example!

actually it's not really that ironic. the boss does everything in his power to isolate the worker from revolutionary politics or solidarity, the socialist does the opposite. it just so happens that the bosses have control of almost all media, so they've done a pretty good job of it. that ideas outside of the norm are constrained to academia or the fancy of the wealthy is wholly intentional.

[Joohan]

Dont really know much about you friend. Your atheism seems to be in contradiction to your average working Irishman- but hey we're all exceptions in one way or another.

Have you ever seen what I described above though?

Oh yeah lots, usually online, some times in person.

Dated a girl like that once. A demsoc theater major who lived the richest part of town he whole life. Totally down for the struggle but has never had a job in her whole life.

By god I love redheads...

[The Huskar Social Union]

:twisted:

Oh yeah lots, usually online, some times in person.

Dated a girl like that once. A demsoc theater major who lived the richest part of town he whole life. Totally down for the struggle but has never had a job in her whole life.

By god I love redheads...

Same, but blondes are better.

[Souseiseki]

*walks into red square at the height of the soviet union* wow, very ironic that so much of the push for capitalism is coming from the intelligentsia and not the proletariat? so many radical westernizers living with a bubble separated from the working class they claim to want to help! state industries being a prime example. please gaze upon my brilliant insight.

[Joohan]

I find most ironic though how few socialists are actually working class people, and are typically more from.the crowd of college students- or people.living in some kind of upper class privilege ( and likewise appealing to such sensibilities ).

So many radical leftists exist inside of a bubble separated from the actual working class they claim.to care about. Issues of immigration being a prime example!

actually it's not really that ironic. the boss does everything in his power to isolate the worker from revolutionary politics or solidarity, the socialist does the opposite. it just so happens that the bosses have control of almost all media, so they've done a pretty good job of it. that ideas outside of the norm are constrained to academia or the fancy of the wealthy is wholly intentional.

I dont buy that. People have access to all the information in t he world through the internet and myriad of other free and public resources. There are tons of boogie well known boogie socialists, and nearly half of this nation goes to college. The working class knows what socialism is, it's just that the current ideologues dont give a damn about the working class, and use the platform as a means to virtue signal.

[Joohan]

:twisted:

Dated a girl like that once. A demsoc theater major who lived the richest part of town he whole life. Totally down for the struggle but has never had a job in her whole life.

By god I love redheads...

Same, but blondes are better.

Those are fighting words, and I'm a fighting man

[Souseiseki]

actually it's not really that ironic. the boss does everything in his power to isolate the worker from revolutionary politics or solidarity, the socialist does the opposite. it just so happens that the bosses have control of almost all media, so they've done a pretty good job of it. that ideas outside of the norm are constrained to academia or the fancy of the wealthy is wholly intentional.

I dont buy that. People have access to all the information in t he world through the internet and myriad of other free and public resources. There are tons of boogie well known boogie socialists, and nearly half of this nation goes to college. The working class knows what socialism is, it's just that the current ideologues dont give a damn about the working class, and use the platform as a means to virtue signal.

the first point is meaningless. access to information is useless if people do not have the inclination to seek it out or the ability to filter good information from bad information. there are literally millions of people who still unironically believe that horoscopes can predict the future. there are literally millions of people who believe in homeopathy. i could go on all day, but there is point. the very fact that we do already live in a utopia where everyone is correct about everything alone should be sufficient to arouse suspicion of this idea.

the second point is questionable. what you go to college for matters. physicists and engineers for example have a terrible rep as a result of their complete lack of real exposure to the humanities which has caused several colleges to start forcing more and more humanities classes on them to save their own reputation.

the third point i would also dispute. i believe you would have a very very hard time finding anyone that give a proper definition of socialism. like, frankly, i would be very surprised if you could give a proper definition of socialism. it is something that has been thoroughly character assassinated and mischaracterized.