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Who do you support to become the next Labour Party Leader?

Clive Lewis (DROPPED OUT)
2
2%
Keir Starmer (Shadow Brexit Secretary, MP for Holborn and St Pancras)
48
41%
Lisa Nandy (MP for Wigan)
11
9%
Jess Phillips (DROPPED OUT)
17
15%
Emily Thornberry (Shadow First Secretary of State, MP for Islington South and Finsbury)
7
6%
Yvette Cooper (DROPPED OUT)
1
1%
Dan Jarvis (DROPPED OUT)
1
1%
Ian Lavery (DROPPED OUT)
1
1%
Rebecca Long Bailey (Shadow Business Secretary, MP for Salford and Eccles)
17
15%
Other (Please state who in a reply)
11
9%
 
Total votes : 116

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Postby Greed and Death » Wed Jan 08, 2020 4:43 pm

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Greed and Death wrote:In other news Boris is proposing to scrap the Metric system as they are leaving the common market that made them adopt the rubbish. The big selling point is that Imperial pints had an extra ounce of beer so more bang for your buck at the pubs.


Our pubs never stopped selling imperial pints.


Really because the whole Brexit campaign was the EU was going to make our pints smaller.
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Postby Vassenor » Wed Jan 08, 2020 4:55 pm

Greed and Death wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
Our pubs never stopped selling imperial pints.


Really because the whole Brexit campaign was the EU was going to make our pints smaller.


I don't know if you noticed but most of the Leave campaign was fear mongering bullshit about how the EU wanted to use immigration to destroy everything that made Britain great.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Wed Jan 08, 2020 4:56 pm

Greed and Death wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
Our pubs never stopped selling imperial pints.


Really because the whole Brexit campaign was the EU was going to make our pints smaller.


Your pints are already smaller. American Standard is just capitulation to the Euros.

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Postby Hirota » Thu Jan 09, 2020 1:19 am

Guido has been keeping track of which Labour MP is endorsing who for this upcoming leadership race. They've added a note of the MP's who backed or opposed Corbs in 2016. See if you can spot a pattern.

Surprised to see Nandy has as many backers as RLB.
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Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Thu Jan 09, 2020 1:23 am

Barry Gardiner is considering running in the leadership contest.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-51041680
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Postby The Notorious Mad Jack » Thu Jan 09, 2020 2:14 am

Hirota wrote:Guido has been keeping track of which Labour MP is endorsing who for this upcoming leadership race. They've added a note of the MP's who backed or opposed Corbs in 2016. See if you can spot a pattern.

Surprised to see Nandy has as many backers as RLB.

I'm more surprised to see Thornberry only has three backers - she's always been impressive at the dispatch box, but might represent too much of a link to the Corbyn era for those that opposed him, whilst the Corbynistas have coalesced around Long-Bailey for... who knows really?
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Thu Jan 09, 2020 2:23 am

Greed and Death wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
Our pubs never stopped selling imperial pints.


Really because the whole Brexit campaign was the EU was going to make our pints smaller.


The EU never touched the pints, afaik.

Or your pints, the ones in 'merica? Yeah, you can keep your bud, bud :p
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Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Thu Jan 09, 2020 2:33 am

Greed and Death wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
Our pubs never stopped selling imperial pints.


Really because the whole Brexit campaign was the EU was going to make our pints smaller.


Our pints are 20% bigger than your American pints. I guess we need to cut ties with the US.
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Postby Vassenor » Thu Jan 09, 2020 2:45 am

Hirota wrote:Guido has been keeping track of which Labour MP is endorsing who for this upcoming leadership race. They've added a note of the MP's who backed or opposed Corbs in 2016. See if you can spot a pattern.

Surprised to see Nandy has as many backers as RLB.


And what pattern would that be, and what evidence is there of a causal link?
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Postby Albrenia » Thu Jan 09, 2020 2:47 am

Is Boris seriously wanting to go back to the Imperial system? Bahahahah. :lol:

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Postby The Blaatschapen » Thu Jan 09, 2020 2:49 am

Albrenia wrote:Is Boris seriously wanting to go back to the Imperial system? Bahahahah. :lol:


The only good thing about the imperial system is their march.
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Postby Albrenia » Thu Jan 09, 2020 2:53 am

The Blaatschapen wrote:
Albrenia wrote:Is Boris seriously wanting to go back to the Imperial system? Bahahahah. :lol:


The only good thing about the imperial system is their march.


From a quick Google search it looks like it's just a stupid stunt to bring back the 'liberty' of being able to trade with archaic forms of measurement. So just the usual Boris stuff.

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Postby The Blaatschapen » Thu Jan 09, 2020 2:56 am

Albrenia wrote:
The Blaatschapen wrote:
The only good thing about the imperial system is their march.


From a quick Google search it looks like it's just a stupid stunt to bring back the 'liberty' of being able to trade with archaic forms of measurement. So just the usual Boris stuff.


That... sure, go ahead. Enjoy trading with Liberia and Myanmar, Boris.

Oh, and the US, but that comes at a price.
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Postby Vassenor » Thu Jan 09, 2020 3:03 am

Albrenia wrote:
The Blaatschapen wrote:
The only good thing about the imperial system is their march.


From a quick Google search it looks like it's just a stupid stunt to bring back the 'liberty' of being able to trade with archaic forms of measurement. So just the usual Boris stuff.


Problem is that Conservative voters apparently wanted to go back to Imperial units and pre-decimal currency as though decimalisation was something the EU forced us to do despite it happening long before we joined.
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Postby Albrenia » Thu Jan 09, 2020 3:07 am

Vassenor wrote:
Albrenia wrote:
From a quick Google search it looks like it's just a stupid stunt to bring back the 'liberty' of being able to trade with archaic forms of measurement. So just the usual Boris stuff.


Problem is that Conservative voters apparently wanted to go back to Imperial units and pre-decimal currency as though decimalisation was something the EU forced us to do despite it happening long before we joined.


That's just weird. Although choosing an inferior path for no good reason seems to be their MO at the moment.

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Postby Vassenor » Thu Jan 09, 2020 3:19 am

Albrenia wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Problem is that Conservative voters apparently wanted to go back to Imperial units and pre-decimal currency as though decimalisation was something the EU forced us to do despite it happening long before we joined.


That's just weird. Although choosing an inferior path for no good reason seems to be their MO at the moment.


Then again this was a poll conducted just after the referendum that also had them thinking the EU made us outlaw capital punishment so we should bring that back too.

Like so.
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Postby Hirota » Thu Jan 09, 2020 4:15 am

Vassenor wrote:
Hirota wrote:Guido has been keeping track of which Labour MP is endorsing who for this upcoming leadership race. They've added a note of the MP's who backed or opposed Corbs in 2016. See if you can spot a pattern.

Surprised to see Nandy has as many backers as RLB.


And what pattern would that be,
If only there was some way to use your eyes to work out the pattern.

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Also, worth noting like there have been some updates to the sheet since I mentioned it. RLB is getting close to enough MP endorsements.

and what evidence is there of a causal link?
Didn't say there was. But then Occams Razor comes into play, along with an ounce of common sense. But I wonder how many MP's are still about from the lot who endrosed Corbyns leadership push in 2016.If it's just these ones left then that is a pattern, if there are 30, 40 or beyond...sure, it's probably conjecture. But a lot of those names are certainly in the "inner circle" of Corbynism, so it makes sense they'd vote for one of their own.

Ah, there were 18 MP's who endorsed Corbyn in 2016. Of those:

3 are standing themselves (RLB, Thornberry and Lewis - the last two will probably both pull out with how they are doing) therefore could not endorse RLB at this time
9 are endorsing RLB - Imran Hussain, Graham Morris and Ian Mearns are not marked as red on the Guido sheet, but did endorse according to wikipedia....but see the note about Kate "Osbourne"
3 are no longer MP's (Ronnie Campbell, Stephen Hepburn, Dennis Skinner)
3 MP's (Dawn Butler, Andy McDonald, and Jon Trickett) do not appear to have yet endorsed.

Some confusion over guidos claims Kate Osborne endorsed Corbs in 2016 when wikipedia says Kate Osamor did. Kate Osbourne was only elected in 2019, so it was impossible for her as an MP to endorse corbs in 2016.

So (ignoring whichever Kate it is), of the 11 we do know about who are still MP's and can endorse, 8 of them are endorsing RLB, and 3 have not yet committed. Thats close to three quarters. If that isn't correlation I don't know what is.

And I expect that number to increase rather than decrease as Thornberry and Lewis drop out of the race.

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If I recall correctly he was in with the other Corbynistas, so it would have been unlikely they'd want to split the vote between him and RLB.
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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Thu Jan 09, 2020 4:26 am

Vassenor wrote:
Albrenia wrote:
From a quick Google search it looks like it's just a stupid stunt to bring back the 'liberty' of being able to trade with archaic forms of measurement. So just the usual Boris stuff.


Problem is that Conservative voters apparently wanted to go back to Imperial units and pre-decimal currency as though decimalisation was something the EU forced us to do despite it happening long before we joined.

Despite being born in 1997 I use imperial, just because my parents always taught me that one. The hardest thing was trying to work out conversion as a little kid in school.
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Postby Greed and Death » Thu Jan 09, 2020 4:33 am

The Blaatschapen wrote:
Albrenia wrote:
From a quick Google search it looks like it's just a stupid stunt to bring back the 'liberty' of being able to trade with archaic forms of measurement. So just the usual Boris stuff.


That... sure, go ahead. Enjoy trading with Liberia and Myanmar, Boris.

Oh, and the US, but that comes at a price.


Trading with the US requires sending young Labour voters off to die in war, and if they survive the soldiers come back as angry Tories. Boris would never do that.
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Postby Greed and Death » Thu Jan 09, 2020 4:33 am

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Problem is that Conservative voters apparently wanted to go back to Imperial units and pre-decimal currency as though decimalisation was something the EU forced us to do despite it happening long before we joined.

Despite being born in 1997 I use imperial, just because my parents always taught me that one. The hardest thing was trying to work out conversion as a little kid in school.


Soon everyone will need you to translate to these old imperial units.
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Greed and Death wrote:
The Blaatschapen wrote:
That... sure, go ahead. Enjoy trading with Liberia and Myanmar, Boris.

Oh, and the US, but that comes at a price.


Trading with the US requires sending young Labour voters off to die in war, and if they survive the soldiers come back as angry Tories. Boris would never do that.


Isn't that Tory MO, sending off the working class to war, and let the survivors have stockholm syndrome for a generation?
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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Thu Jan 09, 2020 5:07 am

Greed and Death wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Despite being born in 1997 I use imperial, just because my parents always taught me that one. The hardest thing was trying to work out conversion as a little kid in school.


Soon everyone will need you to translate to these old imperial units.

What was the point of even changing?
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Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Thu Jan 09, 2020 5:46 am

Being financially independent when you've only got £37 million in the bank must be so hard.
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Postby Hirota » Thu Jan 09, 2020 5:58 am

An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:Being financially independent when you've only got £37 million in the bank must be so hard.
I do wonder how they are going to equate their supposedly fanatical enviromentalism with flying back and forth over the atlantic.

But then i wondered how they would equate their fanatical enviromentalism with chartering private flights to hold meetings with other private flying celebs and google execs in Sicily.

Maybe I'm just too poor to understand the agonising plight of these poor unfortunate souls.
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