UK Politics Thread XI: Boris' Big Bombastic Brexit Bash

[Chan Island]

How about....

No.

Humph, huh, ubbuh.

How dare you, sir.

Most unorthodox.

Quite uncouth, I dare say, my dear boy-uh.

I apologise for the uncouth and unrestrained nature of my response dear Sir. I did not foresee that I may be speaking in the presence of such distinguished gentlemen (or ladies) such as yourself. I do beg for forgiveness, and please excuse my directness when dealing with what is essentially a national suicide cult.

[Gormwood]

It’s an undemocratic thing to do, but doing so doesn’t make a country an autocracy or oligarchy. Same as with the UK, if the referendum is overturned, that specific actions is undemocratic, yet the UK still remains a free constitutional monarchy

So how does overturning Brexit corrupt democracy forever?

Because it means the Evilropean Union wins.

[The Rich Port]

Humph, huh, ubbuh.

How dare you, sir.

Most unorthodox.

Quite uncouth, I dare say, my dear boy-uh.

I apologise for the uncouth and unrestrained nature of my response dear Sir. I did not foresee that I may be speaking in the presence of such distinguished gentlemen (or ladies) such as yourself. I do beg for forgiveness, and please excuse my directness when dealing with what is essentially a national suicide cult.

Ho ho, quite alright, dear boy, quite alright, ho ho.

I do apologize for my nervous demeanour, my good sir, but I become rather agitated when the conversation inevitably turns to...

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... Jacobins. The Republicans... Oh. Oh dear. Indeed. They shall be the death of the British Empire, wot wot.

[Shrillland]

Tory MP Antoinette Sandbach of Eddisbury has crossed the floor and joined the Lib Dems: https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/1-former-uk-tory-mp-231254653.html

Maybe this is how Swinson hopes to get to 100 seats.

[Aureumterra]

So how does overturning Brexit corrupt democracy forever?

Because it means the Evilropean Union wins.

This but unironically

[Ifreann]

How about....

No.

Referendum already happened, not leaving the EU will taint the term “referendum” in history, and will show that democratic governments don’t actually honor the people’s vote

Referenda are fine. Brits are just really bad at them.

[Gormwood]

Because it means the Evilropean Union wins.

This but unironically

Show us on the doll where the EU touched you.

[The Blaatschapen]

This but unironically

Show us on the doll where the EU touched you.

That doll was made in Slovakia.

[SD_Film Artists]

Maybe this is how Swinson hopes to get to 100 seats.

We are the Swinson. You will be assimilated.

How about....

No.

Referendum already happened, not leaving the EU will taint the term “referendum” in history, and will show that democratic governments don’t actually honor the people’s vote

How about we have a People's Vote on the deal? I mean the political landscape has changed dramatically since 2016 and Brexiteers keep saying how they're the will of the people so I'm sure they'd have no reason to worry about it.

[Kowani]

How about....

No.

Referendum already happened, not leaving the EU will taint the term “referendum” in history, and will show that democratic governments don’t actually honor the people’s vote

Non-binding referendum. The government is under no obligation to abide by it.

[The Blaatschapen]

Maybe this is how Swinson hopes to get to 100 seats.

We are the Swinson. You will be assimilated.

Referendum already happened, not leaving the EU will taint the term “referendum” in history, and will show that democratic governments don’t actually honor the people’s vote

How about we have a People's Vote on the deal? I mean the political landscape has changed dramatically since 2016 and Brexiteers keep saying how they're the will of the people so I'm sure they'd have no reason to worry about it.

Not only the political landscape, we also have much more insight on what it means when the UK leaves the EU. Both in terms of economy as well as practical stuff (Irish border).

[Crysuko]

We are the Swinson. You will be assimilated.



How about we have a People's Vote on the deal? I mean the political landscape has changed dramatically since 2016 and Brexiteers keep saying how they're the will of the people so I'm sure they'd have no reason to worry about it.

Not only the political landscape, we also have much more insight on what it means when the UK leaves the EU. Both in terms of economy as well as practical stuff (Irish border).

I'm still low key worried about a second round of troubles

[SD_Film Artists]

We are the Swinson. You will be assimilated.



How about we have a People's Vote on the deal? I mean the political landscape has changed dramatically since 2016 and Brexiteers keep saying how they're the will of the people so I'm sure they'd have no reason to worry about it.

Not only the political landscape, we also have much more insight on what it means when the UK leaves the EU. Both in terms of economy as well as practical stuff (Irish border).

Exactly, I'm not sure how much longer brexiteers can keep lying to themselves that their current mantra has anything to do with democracy.

[The Archregimancy]

Maybe this is how Swinson hopes to get to 100 seats.

We are the Swinson. You will be assimilated.

I was going to make that joke.

Maybe we are a hive mind after all.

Not only the political landscape, we also have much more insight on what it means when the UK leaves the EU. Both in terms of economy as well as practical stuff (Irish border).

Exactly, I'm not sure how much longer brexiteers can keep lying to themselves that denying a 2nd vote has anything to do with democracy.

Third vote.

The first referendum was in 1975 (this was also the first-ever national referendum in the UK). Voters decided 67 to 33% to remain in the European Community (the Western Isles and Shetland were the only UK jurisdictions to vote leave).

The second referendum was in 2016; UK voters decided 52 to 48% to leave the European Union.

Now, I appreciate that I might be one of the few people posting in this thread who remembers both referendums (though I wasn't old enough to vote in '75), but there are plenty of people alive who voted in both, and the demographics of how over-60s voted in 2016 does suggest that there are also plenty of people who changed their minds between 1975 and 2016.

We can perhaps argue that it was legitimate to hold a second referendum forty years after the last one because of changes in the structure of the EC/EU, and the significant gap in the passage of time between the two votes. I accept that these are fair points. But it would be disingenuous to argue that there should never be a third referendum given that we've already had two.

[SD_Film Artists]

We are the Swinson. You will be assimilated.

I was going to make that joke.

Maybe we are a hive mind after all.

Great minds think alike

Exactly, I'm not sure how much longer brexiteers can keep lying to themselves that denying a 2nd vote has anything to do with democracy.

Third vote.

The first referendum was in 1975 (this was also the first-ever national referendum in the UK). Voters decided 67 to 33% to remain in the European Community (the Western Isles and Shetland were the only UK jurisdictions to vote leave).

The second referendum was in 2016; UK voters decided 52 to 48% to leave the European Union.

Now, I appreciate that I might be one of the few people posting in this thread who remembers both referendums (though I wasn't old enough to vote in '75), but there are plenty of people alive who voted in both, and the demographics of how over-60s voted in 2016 does suggest that there are also plenty of people who changed their minds between 1975 and 2016.

We can perhaps argue that it was legitimate to hold a second referendum forty years after the last one because of changes in the structure of the EC/EU, and the significant gap in the passage of time between the two votes. I accept that these are fair points. But it would be disingenuous to argue that there should never be a third referendum given that we've already had two.

It's easy to forget that one since it feels like ancient history and doesn't represent the current EU; which as you explained is also why it can be argued that the 2nd was needed. Either way I dislike referendums, I'd only support a 3rd because it's only right that if Brexit is started by a referendum then it should be ended with one.

[The Archregimancy]

Third vote.

The first referendum was in 1975 (this was also the first-ever national referendum in the UK). Voters decided 67 to 33% to remain in the European Community (the Western Isles and Shetland were the only UK jurisdictions to vote leave).

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Now, I appreciate that I might be one of the few people posting in this thread who remembers both referendums

It's easy to forget that one since it feels like ancient history

Well, thank you very much.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Happy Brexit day lads! WOOOOOOOO BRITAIN IS SOOO AMAZING WOOOOOOO oh wait it didnt happen again.

First poll conducted after the election call has slashed the Conservative lead by 3 points.

Interesting that the source your twitter is citing from - yougov - shows it only dropping from 37 points on the 21st October to 36 points on the 25th (and remaining at that on the 30th), whilst Labours also dropped from 23 points on the 25th to 21 points on the 30th.

Also, your source on twitter makes no such claim. Instead your source accurately works out that 36 minus 21 is 15 - the gap yougov have.

The Times actually tries to aggregate all the various polls to give an estimate, and there you can clearly see a notable drop in the torie...



Oh wait, no you can't.

In short, stop making stuff up Vass.

[The Blaatschapen]

It's easy to forget that one since it feels like ancient history

Well, thank you very much.

I am impressed by your command of modern English. How is Beowulf doing these days?

[The Archregimancy]

Well, thank you very much.

I am impressed by your command of modern English. How is Beowulf doing these days?

He died in a fight with a dragon. His funeral was quite something....

Him ða gegiredan Geata leode
ad on eorðan unwaclicne,
helmum behongen, hildebordum,
beorhtum byrnum, swa he bena wæs;
alegdon ða tomiddes mærne þeoden
hæleð hiofende, hlaford leofne.
(etc...)

[SD_Film Artists]

It's easy to forget that one since it feels like ancient history

Well, thank you very much.

Oh venerable Oracle, bestow upon us your visions of The Before Times; the era you speak of which has four-bedroom houses for £5, the Eurovision wasn't a joke and no one had 'avocado on toast' because of rationing.

[The Blaatschapen]

https://www.bbc.com/news/election-2019-50261647

It's bluff. Farage knows that if he splits the right wing leave vote among all constituencies, that it will be Labour and Lib Dems winning. And that will mean even less of his envisioned Brexit.

[Ifreann]

https://www.bbc.com/news/election-2019-50261647

It's bluff. Farage knows that if he splits the right wing leave vote among all constituencies, that it will be Labour and Lib Dems winning. And that will mean even less of his envisioned Brexit.

"A vote for Farage risks letting Jeremy Corbyn into Downing Street via the back door."
Jeremy Corbyn, lurking in the bushes behind Number Ten, waiting for someone be distracted by Farage while opening the door to let Larry out, giving him the chance to sprint in and claim squatter's rights.

[The Free Joy State]

https://www.bbc.com/news/election-2019-50261647

It's bluff. Farage knows that if he splits the right wing leave vote among all constituencies, that it will be Labour and Lib Dems winning. And that will mean even less of his envisioned Brexit.

Oh, do let's hope he does try.

Incidentally, a think that there was a misprint here:

But Mr Trump said his longstanding ally Mr Farage - leader of the Brexit Party - should team up with Boris Johnson to do "something terrific", saying they would be "an unstoppable force" in the December poll.

Not like the BBC to make such a mistake, but I wonder if that "o" should have been an "a".

[The New California Republic]

https://www.bbc.com/news/election-2019-50261647

It's bluff. Farage knows that if he splits the right wing leave vote among all constituencies, that it will be Labour and Lib Dems winning. And that will mean even less of his envisioned Brexit.

Oh, do let's hope he does try.

Incidentally, a think that there was a misprint here:

But Mr Trump said his longstanding ally Mr Farage - leader of the Brexit Party - should team up with Boris Johnson to do "something terrific", saying they would be "an unstoppable force" in the December poll.

Not like the BBC to make such a mistake, but I wonder if that "o" should have been an "a".

Nah. The unstoppable farce is Brexit itself.

[Nakena]

https://www.bbc.com/news/election-2019-50261647

It's bluff. Farage knows that if he splits the right wing leave vote among all constituencies, that it will be Labour and Lib Dems winning. And that will mean even less of his envisioned Brexit.

His envisioned Brexit would also render him and his gig obsolete.