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Who do you support to become the next Labour Party Leader?

Clive Lewis (DROPPED OUT)
2
2%
Keir Starmer (Shadow Brexit Secretary, MP for Holborn and St Pancras)
48
41%
Lisa Nandy (MP for Wigan)
11
9%
Jess Phillips (DROPPED OUT)
17
15%
Emily Thornberry (Shadow First Secretary of State, MP for Islington South and Finsbury)
7
6%
Yvette Cooper (DROPPED OUT)
1
1%
Dan Jarvis (DROPPED OUT)
1
1%
Ian Lavery (DROPPED OUT)
1
1%
Rebecca Long Bailey (Shadow Business Secretary, MP for Salford and Eccles)
17
15%
Other (Please state who in a reply)
11
9%
 
Total votes : 116

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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Tue Jan 28, 2020 2:36 pm

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Americans are really weird when it comes to abortion on the right and guns on the centre-right.

As a libertarian socialist, I'll take both with no hesitation.

I just don't like it when people kill babies. I wish more people had a problem with people killing babies as well.
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Postby The World Capitalist Confederation » Tue Jan 28, 2020 2:38 pm

The New California Republic wrote:
The World Capitalist Confederation wrote:Americans are really weird when it comes to abortion on the right and guns on the centre-right.

As a libertarian socialist, I'll take both with no hesitation.

He is British.

Unless he's Northern Irish, I'm going to need some explanation.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Tue Jan 28, 2020 2:42 pm

The World Capitalist Confederation wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:He is British.

Unless he's Northern Irish, I'm going to need some explanation.


Not all British people are cool with abortion. Take 60 million people and some people are going to disagree.

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Postby The New California Republic » Tue Jan 28, 2020 2:43 pm

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
The World Capitalist Confederation wrote:Americans are really weird when it comes to abortion on the right and guns on the centre-right.

As a libertarian socialist, I'll take both with no hesitation.

I just don't like it when people kill babies. I wish more people had a problem with people killing babies as well.

They aren't babies, but that's a discussion for the abortion thread.
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Postby Souseiseki » Tue Jan 28, 2020 2:46 pm

there's been some arguments over whether or not the scottish parliament should keep flying the EU flag after brexit day. one of the common arguments i have been seeing is "well actually it's not the EU flag it's the flag of europe which is also used by the council of europe?". this a dumb point and you should not use it. while it's technically true that is a flag of europe, it is really fucking obvious that we fly it as part of the EU and that the arguments over whether it should keep flying are proxies for sentiment in relation to the EU. i am honestly stunned that i have to even think about this kind of thing because it is so ridiculous. i am forced to conclude that the people saying "it's the flag of europe so why not keep it up!" are deliberately missing the point, because otherwise i have no idea how someone could miss the point this bad. while yes theoretically we could continue to fly the flag of europe as an indication of our desire to maintain close to ties to europe even outside the EU, this is really really blatantly obviously not the sentiment that the pro-EU parliamentarians of the pro-EU parties in a pro-EU legislature in a pro-EU country are trying to do.
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Postby Gormwood » Tue Jan 28, 2020 3:03 pm

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
The World Capitalist Confederation wrote:Americans are really weird when it comes to abortion on the right and guns on the centre-right.

As a libertarian socialist, I'll take both with no hesitation.

I just don't like it when people kill babies. I wish more people had a problem with people killing babies as well.

Abortion is bad, but letting children die off from neglect and lack of shelter, food and money is perfectly fine. Pretty sadistic there.
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Postby The World Capitalist Confederation » Tue Jan 28, 2020 3:07 pm

Gormwood wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:I just don't like it when people kill babies. I wish more people had a problem with people killing babies as well.

Abortion is bad, but letting children die off from neglect and lack of shelter, food and money is perfectly fine. Pretty sadistic there.

The right says "rights until birth", and the left says "rights after birth".

Which one makes more sense?
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Postby Gormwood » Tue Jan 28, 2020 3:14 pm

The World Capitalist Confederation wrote:
Gormwood wrote:Abortion is bad, but letting children die off from neglect and lack of shelter, food and money is perfectly fine. Pretty sadistic there.

The right says "rights until birth", and the left says "rights after birth".

Which one makes more sense?

The latter obviously. But that means government and taxes, which denies certain people a new sports car or mansion.
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Postby The New California Republic » Tue Jan 28, 2020 3:15 pm

Gormwood wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:I just don't like it when people kill babies. I wish more people had a problem with people killing babies as well.

Abortion is bad, but letting children die off from neglect and lack of shelter, food and money is perfectly fine. Pretty sadistic there.

Given that GVH has on previous occasions said that he wants to abolish the NHS and welfare, that's pretty much what will happen.
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Postby Gormwood » Tue Jan 28, 2020 3:16 pm

The New California Republic wrote:
Gormwood wrote:Abortion is bad, but letting children die off from neglect and lack of shelter, food and money is perfectly fine. Pretty sadistic there.

Given that GVH has on previous occasions said that he wants to abolish the NHS and welfare, that's pretty much what will happen.

Sadistic and selfish.
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Postby Andsed » Tue Jan 28, 2020 3:27 pm

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
The World Capitalist Confederation wrote:Americans are really weird when it comes to abortion on the right and guns on the centre-right.

As a libertarian socialist, I'll take both with no hesitation.

I just don't like it when people kill babies. I wish more people had a problem with people killing babies as well.

So your fine with hundreds of thousands of real living people(including babies) starving and not being able to afford healthcare or school, but abortion is where you draw the line?
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Postby Gormwood » Tue Jan 28, 2020 3:28 pm

Andsed wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:I just don't like it when people kill babies. I wish more people had a problem with people killing babies as well.

So your fine with hundreds of thousands of real living people(including babies) starving and not being able to afford healthcare or school, but abortion is where you draw the line?

He needs an underclass to look down on I guess.
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Postby Kavagrad » Tue Jan 28, 2020 3:32 pm

Andsed wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:I just don't like it when people kill babies. I wish more people had a problem with people killing babies as well.

So your fine with hundreds of thousands of real living people(including babies) starving and not being able to afford healthcare or school, but abortion is where you draw the line?

It's far more difficult to extract rent from a fetus, though knowing GVH it wouldn't shock me if his anti-abortion stance isn't just a pretext for doubling the rent of pregnant women.
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Postby Marxist Germany » Wed Jan 29, 2020 2:18 am

This thread might just make it to Friday, just two more days lads.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Wed Jan 29, 2020 2:51 am

Marxist Germany wrote:This thread might just make it to Friday, just two more days lads.

Probably not, destiny is coming, the new thread shall be born in the fires of the old.
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Postby The New California Republic » Wed Jan 29, 2020 2:52 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
Marxist Germany wrote:This thread might just make it to Friday, just two more days lads.

Probably not, destiny is coming, the new thread shall be born in the fires of the old.

It's already there waiting to be released. ;)
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Postby Hirota » Wed Jan 29, 2020 2:59 am

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
The World Capitalist Confederation wrote:Americans are really weird when it comes to abortion on the right and guns on the centre-right.

As a libertarian socialist, I'll take both with no hesitation.

I just don't like it when people kill babies. I wish more people had a problem with people killing babies as well.
I don't think that many people really go ahead and decide to kill "babies" without no problem or remorse whatsoever.
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Wed Jan 29, 2020 3:03 am

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
The World Capitalist Confederation wrote:Americans are really weird when it comes to abortion on the right and guns on the centre-right.

As a libertarian socialist, I'll take both with no hesitation.

I just don't like it when people kill babies. I wish more people had a problem with people killing babies as well.


I wholeheartedly agree.

It's why I support extensive social welfare for single parents so that their babies do not grow up in poverty. After all, poverty kills.

Now, fetuses on the other hand, are a different issue.
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Postby The New California Republic » Wed Jan 29, 2020 3:30 am

The Blaatschapen wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:I just don't like it when people kill babies. I wish more people had a problem with people killing babies as well.


I wholeheartedly agree.

It's why I support extensive social welfare for single parents so that their babies do not grow up in poverty. After all, poverty kills.

Now, fetuses on the other hand, are a different issue.

A man starved to death after his social welfare stopped, so imagine that but multiplied by thousands of times if GVH's wish for welfare and the NHS to be abolished actually happened.
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Postby Chan Island » Wed Jan 29, 2020 3:49 am

I have barely been able to log into NS for days now. On freaking NS life support at this point.

And I've still not had the chance to give Arch that full response I promised.

Marxist Germany wrote:This thread might just make it to Friday, just two more days lads.


Do we really want the first 50 pages of the new thread to be taken up by the inevitable fervent screaming about Brexit that the 31st will bring though?
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The majority of MOT tests have been suspended in NI indefinitely (with the exceptions of bikes and larger vehicles i believe) due to mechanical problems and cracks in many of the vehicle lifts in all 15 centres



What a fucking trainwreck.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Wed Jan 29, 2020 4:27 am

I guess in good news they are lowering a peacewall in North Belfast and plan to replace it with a smaller less fuck ugly peacewall.

Thats... a step in the right direction i guess?
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Postby The New California Republic » Wed Jan 29, 2020 4:28 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:The majority of MOT tests have been suspended in NI indefinitely (with the exceptions of bikes and larger vehicles i believe) due to mechanical problems and cracks in many of the vehicle lifts in all 15 centres

What a fucking trainwreck.

How can we trust them to keep cars in good working order when they can't even do the same for their own equipment?
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Postby Alvecia » Wed Jan 29, 2020 4:29 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:The majority of MOT tests have been suspended in NI indefinitely (with the exceptions of bikes and larger vehicles i believe) due to mechanical problems and cracks in many of the vehicle lifts in all 15 centres



What a fucking trainwreck.

Are there only 15 places you can get your car MOT'd in NI?

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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Wed Jan 29, 2020 4:31 am

Alvecia wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:The majority of MOT tests have been suspended in NI indefinitely (with the exceptions of bikes and larger vehicles i believe) due to mechanical problems and cracks in many of the vehicle lifts in all 15 centres



What a fucking trainwreck.

Are there only 15 places you can get your car MOT'd in NI?

From what i know yeah, most of em are in belfast.
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