UK Politics Thread XI: Boris' Big Bombastic Brexit Bash

[Ifreann]

Linking Scotland and Northern Ireland. And he seems to think the EU will chip in to pay for it.

That'd be a fucking big bridge

Some 30ish miles, I think. Big long boi. And one does wonder how it would impact ships leaving Belfast.

[The New California Republic]

[insert clip of Nigel Farage celebrating Brexit as the UK's independence day with an earrape version of the Curb your enthusiasm theme blaring in the background]

The UK became the dumbest country in the Anglosphere so quickly that my soul ascended to a higher plane of absurdism.

Not exactly the same but relevant

Lol. It's as if someone just farted.

[The New California Republic]

That'd be a fucking big bridge

Some 30ish miles, I think. Big long boi. And one does wonder how it would impact ships leaving Belfast.

It'll have to be tall to let ships pass under it. And fairly wide for structural purposes. Swole bridge boi.

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

I wonder if I could get crowd funded to have some bongs for Brexit?

[Alvecia]

That'd be a fucking big bridge

Some 30ish miles, I think. Big long boi. And one does wonder how it would impact ships leaving Belfast.

Negatively, I think we can assume.

[Ifreann]

Some 30ish miles, I think. Big long boi. And one does wonder how it would impact ships leaving Belfast.

It'll have to be tall to let ships pass under it. And fairly wide for structural purposes. Swole bridge boi.

Sure make it a bascule bridge for the craic. What's a few extra million to an already absurd bridge?

[Hirota]

Didn't say there was. But then Occams Razor comes into play, along with an ounce of common sense. But I wonder how many MP's are still about from the lot who endrosed Corbyns leadership push in 2016.If it's just these ones left then that is a pattern, if there are 30, 40 or beyond...sure, it's probably conjecture. But a lot of those names are certainly in the "inner circle" of Corbynism, so it makes sense they'd vote for one of their own.

Ah, there were 18 MP's who endorsed Corbyn in 2016. Of those:

3 are standing themselves (RLB, Thornberry and Lewis - the last two will probably both pull out with how they are doing) therefore could not endorse RLB at this time
9 are endorsing RLB - Imran Hussain, Graham Morris and Ian Mearns are not marked as red on the Guido sheet, but did endorse according to wikipedia....but see the note about Kate "Osbourne"
3 are no longer MP's (Ronnie Campbell, Stephen Hepburn, Dennis Skinner)
3 MP's (Dawn Butler, Andy McDonald, and Jon Trickett) do not appear to have yet endorsed.

Some confusion over guidos claims Kate Osborne endorsed Corbs in 2016 when wikipedia says Kate Osamor did. Kate Osbourne was only elected in 2019, so it was impossible for her as an MP to endorse corbs in 2016.

So (ignoring whichever Kate it is), of the 11 we do know about who are still MP's and can endorse, 8 of them are endorsing RLB, and 3 have not yet committed. Thats close to three quarters. If that isn't correlation I don't know what is.

And I expect that number to increase rather than decrease as Thornberry and Lewis drop out of the race.

So in the end, Lewis does not appear to have endorsed anyone after he dropped out, Kate Osamor didn't endorse anyone. Dawn Butler endorsed Thornberry, McDonald and Trickett endorsed RLB. Of the 13 we do know about who are MP's and can endorse, 10 of them are endorsing RLB, 1 is endorsing Thornberry, and 2 abstained.

Fair to say the long standing Corbynistas have pinned their flag to one candidate.

Another interesting thing I noticed, with 18 endorsements in 2016, Corbyn would not have made it through to the wider election if the same rules in 2019 were applied in 2016 (Labour has decided a candidate needs 10% of MP's to endorse in these leadership elections - in that session of parliament during the 2016 leadership vote Labour had 232 to 229 MP's in parliament, meaning 18MP's would be below 10%)

[Fartsniffage]

It'll have to be tall to let ships pass under it. And fairly wide for structural purposes. Swole bridge boi.

Sure make it a bascule bridge for the craic. What's a few extra million to an already absurd bridge?

Just build a few of these down the length of the bridge. Lift ships over it.

[The New California Republic]

Sure make it a bascule bridge for the craic. What's a few extra million to an already absurd bridge?

Just build a few of these down the length of the bridge. Lift ships over it.

I go past the Falkirk Wheel fairly frequently, but never visited it. I mean, it's just a canal lift, albeit a very big one, so I've always thought that any visit would just consist of watching it move for a bit, and not much else.

[Philjia]

Thought:
If the House of Lords is reformed into an elected body it should be by proportional representation while the House of Commons remains locally elected.

[North German Realm]

Jonhson supports replacing Iran nuclear agreement with Trump-style deal

The UK turning into a US vassal in real time.

Even the dumbest deal Donald Trump might make would still be better than the JCPOA tbh. That said, I'm not quite sure if that's the "Sign" of the UK having turned into a US vassal now, as opposed to any point between 1946 and today.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

Thought:
If the House of Lords is reformed into an elected body it should be by proportional representation while the House of Commons remains locally elected.

The House of Commons should be proportional, while the House of Lords should become a local representation. The House of Commons enjoys a kind of seniority over the House of Lords, so it would be preferable if the House of Commons were elected by representation.

[Ifreann]

Sure make it a bascule bridge for the craic. What's a few extra million to an already absurd bridge?

Just build a few of these down the length of the bridge. Lift ships over it.

Love it.

[Gormwood]

Just build a few of these down the length of the bridge. Lift ships over it.

Love it.

You can have them do The Wave.

[Shamhnan Insir]

Linking Scotland and Northern Ireland. And he seems to think the EU will chip in to pay for it.

That'd be a fucking big bridge

It would be very impressive if constructed, my hope is that they do not recruit the same architects that put together the dogs dinner that is the Scottish Parliament. It looks like complete shite, was absurdly overbudget and also wasn't even structurally sound.
One other pause for thought is that being in the north-east Atlantic means we often have exceptionally windy weather. Considering the number of times high sided vehicles are banned from certain bridges, or the bridges closed altogether, how often would it really be viable for trading goods? Or is this bridge going to be built around ethical issues, whereby wind-turbines all along its length will power high speed rail tracks as there will be no cars on it at all????

[The New California Republic]

It would be very impressive if constructed, my hope is that they do not recruit the same architects that put together the dogs dinner that is the Scottish Parliament. It looks like complete shite, was absurdly overbudget and also wasn't even structurally sound.

Don't worry. The main architect, Enric Miralles, is dead.

[Shamhnan Insir]

It would be very impressive if constructed, my hope is that they do not recruit the same architects that put together the dogs dinner that is the Scottish Parliament. It looks like complete shite, was absurdly overbudget and also wasn't even structurally sound.

Don't worry. The main architect, Enric Miralles, is dead.

Do we know a proposed starting location for this bridge? Portpatrick makes sense but it's not the greatest spot to link to in regards to existing infrastructure.

[Alvecia]

That'd be a fucking big bridge

It would be very impressive if constructed, my hope is that they do not recruit the same architects that put together the dogs dinner that is the Scottish Parliament. It looks like complete shite, was absurdly overbudget and also wasn't even structurally sound.
One other pause for thought is that being in the north-east Atlantic means we often have exceptionally windy weather. Considering the number of times high sided vehicles are banned from certain bridges, or the bridges closed altogether, how often would it really be viable for trading goods? Or is this bridge going to be built around ethical issues, whereby wind-turbines all along its length will power high speed rail tracks as there will be no cars on it at all????

I mean, will it even be a road bridge, or will it be rail? Over water, or under?

[The New California Republic]

Don't worry. The main architect, Enric Miralles, is dead.

Do we know a proposed starting location for this bridge? Portpatrick makes sense but it's not the greatest spot to link to in regards to existing infrastructure.

Portpatrick to Larne was one proposal, and there was another but I can't remember the start and end point of that one.

[The New California Republic]

It would be very impressive if constructed, my hope is that they do not recruit the same architects that put together the dogs dinner that is the Scottish Parliament. It looks like complete shite, was absurdly overbudget and also wasn't even structurally sound.
One other pause for thought is that being in the north-east Atlantic means we often have exceptionally windy weather. Considering the number of times high sided vehicles are banned from certain bridges, or the bridges closed altogether, how often would it really be viable for trading goods? Or is this bridge going to be built around ethical issues, whereby wind-turbines all along its length will power high speed rail tracks as there will be no cars on it at all????

I mean, will it even be a road bridge, or will it be rail? Over water, or under?

It was proposed to be a combined road and rail bridge.

[Andsed]

... So what exactly is building this bridge supposed to accomplish?

[Alvecia]

I mean, will it even be a road bridge, or will it be rail? Over water, or under?

It was proposed to be a combined road and rail bridge.

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[The New California Republic]

... So what exactly is building this bridge supposed to accomplish?

Economic benefits. Allegedly. It remains to be seen though how long it will take the added economic benefits to pay off what would likely be a monstrous construction bill.

[Alvecia]

... So what exactly is building this bridge supposed to accomplish?

Economic benefits. Allegedly. It remains to be seen though how long it will take the added economic benefits to pay off what would likely be a monstrous construction bill.

If only there were other decisions the government could have made with some more concrete economic benefits.

[Ifreann]

... So what exactly is building this bridge supposed to accomplish?

Closer links between Britain and Northern Ireland. Which I guess it would accomplish in a literal sense.