UK Politics Thread XI: Boris' Big Bombastic Brexit Bash

[Ostroeuropa]

Question: This whole Harry and Meghan thing, is anyone calling it Rexit? It's very intuitive, but I haven't seen the word in any headlines.

(Rexit = Royal Exit. And rex is the Latin word for king so it works on multiple levels)

Megxit i'm afraid.

Also;

Prince Harry: 'I will not be bullied into playing a game that killed my mum'

Straight to the face of a reporter.

Oof.

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Question: This whole Harry and Meghan thing, is anyone calling it Rexit? It's very intuitive, but I haven't seen the word in any headlines.

(Rexit = Royal Exit. And rex is the Latin word for king so it works on multiple levels)

They better fucking not

The world seems to have gone crazy with variations of Brexit, from an entirely hypothetical Dexit (Germany, obviously not going to happen, just a ridiculous AfD fantasy), to some left-wingers in America wanting a Demexit over DNC corruption. (?)Exit is the new SOMETHING-gate.

[Alvecia]

Question: This whole Harry and Meghan thing, is anyone calling it Rexit? It's very intuitive, but I haven't seen the word in any headlines.

(Rexit = Royal Exit. And rex is the Latin word for king so it works on multiple levels)

Blergh.
-xit is the new -gate, and I hate them both.

Edit: Fuck, beat me to it.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Blergh.

You know... this term works perfectly as the new replacement for "-exit". <.>

[Alvecia]

Blergh.

You know... this term works perfectly as the new replacement for "-exit". <.>

Brergh?

Sounds like the regurgitation of the breakfast cereal that was Brexit.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

You know... this term works perfectly as the new replacement for "-exit". <.>

Brergh?

Sounds like the regurgitation of the breakfast cereal that was Brexit.

Yeah, that sound exactly. :P

[Ostroeuropa]

"My mum taught me certain values and I've always strived to uphold them. One of them was to always protect my family. Now I have a family to protect. Everything she went through... that's not me being paranoid. I just don't want a repeat of the past."

Looks like he's basically saying it's the media and he's leaving because of that tbh.

The media is lashing out and wants to form a mob against them like the media does to everyone who points out what utter scum the media are; see gamergate. They're determined to DARVO here and make it some inexplicable dereliction of his duties. Typical MO for them.

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Question: This whole Harry and Meghan thing, is anyone calling it Rexit? It's very intuitive, but I haven't seen the word in any headlines.

(Rexit = Royal Exit. And rex is the Latin word for king so it works on multiple levels)

Megxit i'm afraid.

Also;

Prince Harry: 'I will not be bullied into playing a game that killed my mum'

Straight to the face of a reporter.

Oof.

I don't follow the British Royals too closely but based on what I've heard I definitely sympathize with Harry and Meghan. The media does seem quite as toxic these days as it used to be.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

"My mum taught me certain values and I've always strived to uphold them. One of them was to always protect my family. Now I have a family to protect. Everything she went through... that's not me being paranoid. I just don't want a repeat of the past."

Looks like he's basically saying it's the media and he's leaving because of that tbh.

The media is lashing out and wants to form a mob against them like the media does to everyone who points out what utter scum the media are; see gamergate. They're determined to DARVO here and make it some inexplicable dereliction of his duties. Typical MO for them.

What if we arrested all the big media moguls and tossed them in Azkaban, and then repossessed everything they own? *thinke*

[Vassenor]

"My mum taught me certain values and I've always strived to uphold them. One of them was to always protect my family. Now I have a family to protect. Everything she went through... that's not me being paranoid. I just don't want a repeat of the past."

Looks like he's basically saying it's the media and he's leaving because of that tbh.

The media is lashing out and wants to form a mob against them like the media does to everyone who points out what utter scum the media are; see gamergate. They're determined to DARVO here and make it some inexplicable dereliction of his duties. Typical MO for them.

What does trying to harass women out of the gaming industry have to do with the media?

[Ostroeuropa]

"My mum taught me certain values and I've always strived to uphold them. One of them was to always protect my family. Now I have a family to protect. Everything she went through... that's not me being paranoid. I just don't want a repeat of the past."

Looks like he's basically saying it's the media and he's leaving because of that tbh.

The media is lashing out and wants to form a mob against them like the media does to everyone who points out what utter scum the media are; see gamergate. They're determined to DARVO here and make it some inexplicable dereliction of his duties. Typical MO for them.

What does trying to harass women out of the gaming industry have to do with the media?

The narrative that gamergate was trying to harass women out of the gaming industry is how the media DARVO'd criticism of the media to demonize the people criticizing them and pointing out how toxic the media were. Same as "Harry is in dereliction of duty, rude to queen, protocol!" is now them doing the same to DARVO harry once he decides he's had enough of them and wants to leave.

Pointing out they are immoral and toxic always leads to them behaving this way.

You're akin to Purgatio in that you allow them to feed you a narrative you are already predisposed to believing and make that the conversation rather than their own behavior, which is the only reason the conversation started. Sort of like if Prince Andrew after caught diddling kids turned around and said; "Did you know that kid I raped is pro-Israel?" and spammed everywhere with that until people who support Palestine were on his side and the entire thing gets lost in a massive culture war. All you need is the flimsiest of excuses and to repeat it over and over and over again in lockstep with other journalists.

In the case of Gamergate, the harassment angle was overblown to a comical degree, and the harassment of gamergaters at an equivalent rate was ignored, so it became "How DARE you question our obviously cooked statistics and rigged ideological narrative" In this, they're flipping their shit over royal protocol so the conversation becomes "How DARE you not give a shit about royal protocol" and people argue over that.

Rather than the conversation that needs to happen and indeed how the conversation started;

How dare YOU constantly engage in psychological warfare against the public.

It's how abusers operate. They harm you and then blame you for it happening.

In this case they're pitting royal protocol lovers against those who don't care so they can get away with their continued harassment of Harry and Megan and nobody call them out on it. For Gamergate it was similar, pit people against eachother to drown out the conversation over their own immoral behavior.

They behave like this *constantly*. Did you not pay attention to the last election? It's ridiculous you're still defending that time they conned you into it when you see how consistently they con others into it.

It's about taking an issue of relatively far less importance and massively hyping it up, making it out to be this huge thing that just has to dominate the conversation, and demonizing people who go against it. In the case of gamergate, hundreds of thousands of people protested unethical media behavior, and dozens were harassers (As well as the gamergate movement also being harassed.). The thing to talk about? Those dozens, and the rest are merely a cover for them, obviously. Like how everyone left of center is just a covert agent acting on behalf of Marxists, and only *pretending* to want economic justice as opposed to killing all the rich, right?

Here it's about harry being like; "I'm leaving because the pedophile infiltrated, phone hacking, privately employed harassment and abuse brigade killed my mum and they're doing it to my wife now." and they go; "You didn't tell your grandma first! What a scoop!".

[Ifreann]

Question: This whole Harry and Meghan thing, is anyone calling it Rexit? It's very intuitive, but I haven't seen the word in any headlines.

(Rexit = Royal Exit. And rex is the Latin word for king so it works on multiple levels)

The Windsor formerly known as Prince.

[North German Realm]

Megxit i'm afraid.

Also;

Prince Harry: 'I will not be bullied into playing a game that killed my mum'

Straight to the face of a reporter.

Oof.

I don't follow the British Royals too closely but based on what I've heard I definitely sympathize with Harry and Meghan. The media does seem quite as toxic these days as it used to be.

To be fair, given the literal crusade the media has gone through against Ms. Marckle, ca you blame them for lashing out when they're hounded for like, leaving?

[Ostroeuropa]

"My mum taught me certain values and I've always strived to uphold them. One of them was to always protect my family. Now I have a family to protect. Everything she went through... that's not me being paranoid. I just don't want a repeat of the past."

Looks like he's basically saying it's the media and he's leaving because of that tbh.

The media is lashing out and wants to form a mob against them like the media does to everyone who points out what utter scum the media are; see gamergate. They're determined to DARVO here and make it some inexplicable dereliction of his duties. Typical MO for them.

What if we arrested all the big media moguls and tossed them in Azkaban, and then repossessed everything they own? *thinke*

I'm alright with this but it lets their little Eichmann's get off too easy. I'd prefer we appropriate the private property of all the journalists.

[The New California Republic]

Question: This whole Harry and Meghan thing, is anyone calling it Rexit? It's very intuitive, but I haven't seen the word in any headlines.

(Rexit = Royal Exit. And rex is the Latin word for king so it works on multiple levels)

The thing is though that Harry is unlikely to ever be King. If it was William then it may work...but Harry...not so much.

The Queen at the recent meeting: "You're a Prince Harry..."

[Evil Dictators Happyland]

They better fucking not

The world seems to have gone crazy with variations of Brexit, from an entirely hypothetical Dexit (Germany, obviously not going to happen, just a ridiculous AfD fantasy), to some left-wingers in America wanting a Demexit over DNC corruption. (?)Exit is the new SOMETHING-gate.

I haven't heard of this, but if people are actually pushing for that, they're stupid and they should be treated as such.

[Andsed]

I don't follow the British Royals too closely but based on what I've heard I definitely sympathize with Harry and Meghan. The media does seem quite as toxic these days as it used to be.

To be fair, given the literal crusade the media has gone through against Ms. Marckle, ca you blame them for lashing out when they're hounded for like, leaving?

Wait what crusade? I have not been keeping up with royal family news.

[Purgatio]

Reading back the last few pages, I have to say, I'm genuinely surprised that, save for one or two posts, there isn't more discussion and debate on here about the unprecedented step of the Duke and Duchess of Sussex to "step back" from their essential royal duties (and their upcoming crisis meeting with Her Majesty), in blatant and flagrant violation of royal protocol and their essential responsibilities. Akin to the abdication crisis, this latest radical step, portending a most unnecessary constitutional crisis, evinces a very troubling disrespect on their part for Her Majesty's position, and is likely to undermine the prestige and institution of the British royal family by undercutting all the roles, responsibilities, and functions that come attached with being members of 'the Firm'.

Not many people give a flying fuck.

A senior royal acting in open defiance of the Sovereign and dereliction of royal duty should be important to anyone who cares about the prestige and respect of the British royal family. The Royal Family, or 'the Firm', engages in more than 2,000 official royal engagements every year and many other unofficial ones, this is how the royal family remains relevant and prominent within British high society and within British public life and the charitable and cultural sectors, it ensures that respect for the monarchy remains high amongst the British public and the royal family discharges its duties and responsibilities to the nation, necessary to ensure the Sovereign and the senior royals continue to embody the heritage and legacy of the British nation. All the senior royals have to cooperate and work together to ensure those functions are efficaciously discharged, and when a senior royal unilaterally decides to forgo those responsibilities, it selfishly throws the remaining burden onto the other senior royals, it blatantly disrespects the Sovereign and undermines Her Majesty's prestige and respect, and disgraces his title as the Duke of Sussex and Earl of Dumbarton.

[Purgatio]

Not many people give a flying fuck.

^ This.

The sixth in line for the throne may be moving to Canada. Good for them; hope they're happy.

If they end up advertising Royal Brand Lager with cheesy grins and the proclamation that it's "fit for a queen"... meh.

Yes, because establishing the precedent that membership of the Royal Family can be marketed as cheap, commercial merchandising to generate a private profit is not at all a problematic precedent that, if habituated, would undermine trust and confidence in the British royals.

[Andsed]

Not many people give a flying fuck.

A senior royal acting in open defiance of the Sovereign and dereliction of royal duty should be important to anyone who cares about the prestige and respect of the British royal family. The Royal Family, or 'the Firm', engages in more than 2,000 official royal engagements every year and many other unofficial ones, this is how the royal family remains relevant and prominent within British high society and within British public life and the charitable and cultural sectors, it ensures that respect for the monarchy remains high amongst the British public and the royal family discharges its duties and responsibilities to the nation, necessary to ensure the Sovereign and the senior royals continue to embody the heritage and legacy of the British nation. All the senior royals have to cooperate and work together to ensure those functions are efficaciously discharged, and when a senior royal unilaterally decides to forgo those responsibilities, it selfishly throws the remaining burden onto the other senior royals, it blatantly disrespects the Sovereign and undermines Her Majesty's prestige and respect, and disgraces his title as the Duke of Sussex and Earl of Dumbarton.

And? Because quite honestly I don´t see much of reason on why keeping the royals relevant is important.

[The New California Republic]

Not many people give a flying fuck.

A senior royal acting in open defiance of the Sovereign and dereliction of royal duty should be important to anyone who cares about the prestige and respect of the British royal family. The Royal Family, or 'the Firm', engages in more than 2,000 official royal engagements every year and many other unofficial ones, this is how the royal family remains relevant and prominent within British high society and within British public life and the charitable and cultural sectors, it ensures that respect for the monarchy remains high amongst the British public and the royal family discharges its duties and responsibilities to the nation, necessary to ensure the Sovereign and the senior royals continue to embody the heritage and legacy of the British nation. All the senior royals have to cooperate and work together to ensure those functions are efficaciously discharged, and when a senior royal unilaterally decides to forgo those responsibilities, it selfishly throws the remaining burden onto the other senior royals, it blatantly disrespects the Sovereign and undermines Her Majesty's prestige and respect, and disgraces his title as the Duke of Sussex and Earl of Dumbarton.

Not many people give a flying fuck.

[Ostroeuropa]

Not many people give a flying fuck.

A senior royal acting in open defiance of the Sovereign and dereliction of royal duty should be important to anyone who cares about the prestige and respect of the British royal family. The Royal Family, or 'the Firm', engages in more than 2,000 official royal engagements every year and many other unofficial ones, this is how the royal family remains relevant and prominent within British high society and within British public life and the charitable and cultural sectors, it ensures that respect for the monarchy remains high amongst the British public and the royal family discharges its duties and responsibilities to the nation, necessary to ensure the Sovereign and the senior royals continue to embody the heritage and legacy of the British nation. All the senior royals have to cooperate and work together to ensure those functions are efficaciously discharged, and when a senior royal unilaterally decides to forgo those responsibilities, it selfishly throws the remaining burden onto the other senior royals, it blatantly disrespects the Sovereign and undermines Her Majesty's prestige and respect, and disgraces his title as the Duke of Sussex and Earl of Dumbarton.

Sounds like a good reason to go after the root of the problem and break up the right wing media.

[Ostroeuropa]

Jess Phillips manages to make me hate her even more by proposing something socialist that I dislike and prefer a Blairite solution to, thus ruining my self-image and causing me to seethe in self-hatred and anger.


She wants state run childcare services everywhere.

No.

Please no.

Just give parents childcare money and let the private sector handle it.

I don't want to have to deal with the endless debates, social engineering, clusterfuckery and hysteria of the state raising kids in a standardized fashion and how to do it. I don't want the Tories getting into office and blithely pretending not to understand inflation means you have to increase funding to public services every year proportionally until our kids are all maladjusted and malnourished.

[The Blaatschapen]

Question: This whole Harry and Meghan thing, is anyone calling it Rexit? It's very intuitive, but I haven't seen the word in any headlines.

(Rexit = Royal Exit. And rex is the Latin word for king so it works on multiple levels)

Get rext!

[Purgatio]

Reading back the last few pages, I have to say, I'm genuinely surprised that, save for one or two posts, there isn't more discussion and debate on here about the unprecedented step of the Duke and Duchess of Sussex to "step back" from their essential royal duties (and their upcoming crisis meeting with Her Majesty), in blatant and flagrant violation of royal protocol and their essential responsibilities. Akin to the abdication crisis, this latest radical step, portending a most unnecessary constitutional crisis, evinces a very troubling disrespect on their part for Her Majesty's position, and is likely to undermine the prestige and institution of the British royal family by undercutting all the roles, responsibilities, and functions that come attached with being members of 'the Firm'.

Because what's there to say? That it doesn't affect our lives much in any way? Well, there's only so much to say there. Maybe it could be built up as a discussion as to whether the monarchy should exist at all, but even then the more interesting news is the fact that potential Labour leader Rebecca Long-Bailey has come out in favour of abolishing the House of Lords (which, while I still don't intend to cast my own ballot for her, I would be excited to see happen if she did win).

That the reaction by the hypocritical old gammons who keep professing to love the monarchy to this news is disgusting? Well, just go into the Daily Mail's comment sections and you'll see this daily, so where's the news in that?

That surely Prince Andrew is more pertinent news? Oh, but sorry, because he's the queen's son we'll just casually forget he visited Jeffrey Epstein's island multiple times while Epstein was known to be sexually assaulting minors. And then looked guilty as fuck in the interview. Just a shame Epstein totally killed himself so any investigation into who his associates in a giant pedophile ring at the highest rungs of power is not going to happen. Guess we should all go for the distraction tactic!

That they are all meeting what's it, today? OK? I've been to family gatherings too. Full power to Harry and Meghan to whether that storm I guess, but what else is there to say?

That the way the press has treated Meghan Markle for the past couple of months has been nothing but utterly disgusting ever since she married Harry? That only a very quick comparison between the way they talk about Kate Middleton and her is night and day, and that surely this is proof that our press needs some kind of regulation against these ceaseless attacks?

That Harry didn't have a choice whether he wanted to be in the "firm" at all, and that doing this in many ways represents the first real choice he's ever done in his life?

And then all of that of course circles round to the big question of... how does that affect our lives?

1) I'm not sure I see the relevance between the British monarchy and the House of Lords, I mean yes the Sovereign technically exercises prerogative powers to appoint life peers but by constitutional convention she does so on the advice of the Prime Minister, so really the debate over the House of Lords is a debate about whether the Prime Minister (or prior PMs) should continue to have such power and influence over a legislative chamber, the Sovereign is involved only in name but little else in practice.

2) What exactly is disgusting about the reaction of both the British and foreign press which, as far as I can see, is the reaction that the Duke and Duchess of Sussex's announcement was disrespectful to the Sovereign and in flagrant violation of their duties as members of the royal family? Sitting back and refusing to fulfil the roles and responsibilities of your job and your occupation is something that would spark irritation from any reasonable person.

3) You can talk about the serious sexual abuse allegations against the Duke of York whilst also keeping up with the details of the crisis summit at Sandringham, Good Morning Britain has been covering both the Prince Andrew allegations as well as the Sandrigham summit so clearly its possible to do both

4) Most family gatherings don't have rammifications on the future of the British constitution or set precedents for how members of the British royal family are expected to behave in future

5) The way the press has treated the Duchess of Sussex is not anything out of the ordinary, Camilla Bowles, Princess Diana, Prince Charles, all of them have received brutal criticism in the press before, the Queen herself got her fair share of criticism following the death of Princess Diana, and the media coverage of the Duchess of Cambridge has not spared her from rather brutal and unfair criticism (https://www.thesun.co.uk/fabulous/8278737/kate-middleton-stung-queens-criticism/), this kind of publicity, inclusive of negative publicity, just comes with the job, surely the Duchess of Sussex understood that when she got into this business

6) The whole point of having a monarchy is having a family that is the product of a long-standing and unbroken historical legacy, stretching back over generations, that can embody British history, tradition, culture, and heritage, a lasting and enduring symbol of British identity, those born into "the Firm", like the Duke of Sussex, are given immense privileges, including the love and respect of many in the British public and a lifestyle more comfortable than that of most people (Prince Harry's Frogmore Cottage was renovated at public expense, for example), and that comes with corollary and attendant responsibilities, like bearing some of the burden of the more than 2,000 official royal engagements "the Firm" has to discharge annually, rather than selfishly throwing that responsibility onto everyone else, especially without even consulting or warning the Boss of the Firm, the Sovereign herself