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Who do you support to become the next Labour Party Leader?

Clive Lewis (DROPPED OUT)
2
2%
Keir Starmer (Shadow Brexit Secretary, MP for Holborn and St Pancras)
48
41%
Lisa Nandy (MP for Wigan)
11
9%
Jess Phillips (DROPPED OUT)
17
15%
Emily Thornberry (Shadow First Secretary of State, MP for Islington South and Finsbury)
7
6%
Yvette Cooper (DROPPED OUT)
1
1%
Dan Jarvis (DROPPED OUT)
1
1%
Ian Lavery (DROPPED OUT)
1
1%
Rebecca Long Bailey (Shadow Business Secretary, MP for Salford and Eccles)
17
15%
Other (Please state who in a reply)
11
9%
 
Total votes : 116

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Rees-Mogg's sister and 3 other Brexit Party members have switched to the Conservative Party.
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Postby The New California Republic » Wed Jan 08, 2020 7:35 am

An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:Rees-Mogg's sister and 3 other Brexit Party members have switched to the Conservative Party.

I'd guess that there has been more fence hopping in the last year than there has been in the rest of the decade combined.
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Postby Auristania » Wed Jan 08, 2020 7:44 am

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The Guardian wrote:Asked by ITV News how should would rate Corbyn as a leader out of 10, Long Bailey said: “I thought Corbyn was one of most honest kind principled politicians I’ve ever met … I’d give him 10 out of 10, because I respect him and I supported him all the way through.

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I wonder what the score would've been if he had won the election

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Postby Hirota » Wed Jan 08, 2020 8:00 am

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:So... 23 days until "out" of EU sans plan, sense or necessity. Are we winning yet?
We don't need a plan at this time. It's the transitional period coming up where we are not in the EU, but will continue to follow EU laws.

As for winning...well, we won't know that until trade talks start, probably in March according to the Beeb. And winning is a very subjective term.
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Wed Jan 08, 2020 8:40 am

An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:Rees-Mogg's sister and 3 other Brexit Party members have switched to the Conservative Party.


Talking of hoppers, what a disappointing world we live in where Chuka Umunna still hasn't formed a think tank called ChukaVision.
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Postby Hurdergaryp » Wed Jan 08, 2020 8:43 am

Dumb Ideologies wrote:
An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:Rees-Mogg's sister and 3 other Brexit Party members have switched to the Conservative Party.

Talking of hoppers, what a disappointing world we live in where Chuka Umunna still hasn't formed a think tank called ChukaVision.

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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Wed Jan 08, 2020 8:49 am

Hurdergaryp wrote:
Dumb Ideologies wrote:Talking of hoppers, what a disappointing world we live in where Chuka Umunna still hasn't formed a think tank called ChukaVision.

Life is full of disappointment. The trick is to own those disappointments and make them work for you!


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Postby Celritannia » Wed Jan 08, 2020 8:49 am

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Celritannia wrote:So a few left-wing Facebook groups I am a part of think Keir Starmer is a Blairite or a Tory-lite.
I fail to see how he is anything like Blair.


Only in the sense that people who don't normally vote Labour would be comfortable voting for him.


I normally vote labour, and I will vote for him.
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Postby Hurdergaryp » Wed Jan 08, 2020 8:51 am

Dumb Ideologies wrote:
Hurdergaryp wrote:Life is full of disappointment. The trick is to own those disappointments and make them work for you!

My line manager is living the good life then.

It is not without risks, though. If you drive it too far, you go beyond owning those disappointments by becoming a disappointment yourself, which is not recommended.


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Dumb Ideologies wrote:
An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:Rees-Mogg's sister and 3 other Brexit Party members have switched to the Conservative Party.


Talking of hoppers, what a disappointing world we live in where Chuka Umunna still hasn't formed a think tank called ChukaVision.


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Postby Vassenor » Wed Jan 08, 2020 9:08 am

So looks like Boris is still refusing to admit Trump could be in the wrong here.
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Vassenor wrote:So looks like Boris is still refusing to admit Trump could be in the wrong here.


Did you think he was going to?
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Postby New Bremerton » Wed Jan 08, 2020 9:12 am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUjONj5l_Ko

Jeremy Corbyn has absolutely no shame whatsoever. Why is he defending Iran? Why the hell should British or U.S. forces withdraw from Iraq or Syria when Iranian forces have been violating Iraqi, Syrian and Lebanese sovereignty and killing locals and foreign troops alike for decades through their proxy terrorist militias, including hundreds of thousands of Syrian civilians at the hands of the Assad regime while Corbyn and his leftist anti-war colleagues loudly celebrate, in the streets, any successful attempt to prevent Assad from being held accountable, in any way, shape or form, for even the most deadly chemical gas attacks against his own people, in the name of opposing Western imperialism and meddling, while they maintain a deafening silence vis a vis Russia's very neocolonial role in enthusiastically and openly propping up Assad with airstrikes and the Russian embassy in London is left completely unmolested? Why should Britain or America take Iranian aggression lying down? Why should Britain and America withdraw into themselves out of a sense of white, postcolonial guilt while Iran, Russia and China are permitted to operate with complete and total impunity in the regions they have colonized for their own selfish ends? Western capitulation and surrender is the last thing the world needs right now.

What right does Jeremy Corbyn have to lecture to anyone about war and peace, or international law, or national sovereignty, when he implicitly endorses the death and destruction of one side, which happens to be the anti-Western, anti-British, pro-terrorist, pro-dictatorship side that routinely violates the very same international law he loves to champion if it's directed against Western countries and the national sovereignty of the very countries whose sovereignty he so disingenuously pretends to defend, against his own country and that of its closest ally the United States? Is he kidding me right now? Are America, Israel and Britain so irredeemably evil, racist and imperialistic that it justifies selling one's soul to side with the enemies of freedom like the traitor and sellout that he is? What century is he even smoking? The Cold War ended 31 years ago. Britain is right to stand with Donald Trump and America instead of condemning Washington for defending itself or listening to this sore loser run his mouth.

The self-declared friend of Hamas and Hezbollah won't even say whether he believes Qassem Soleimani was a terrorist. Somehow, he just finds it very difficult to answer such a simple yes or no question. He can't even bring himself to condemn the Iranian regime.

Thank God he's not the Prime Minister, or else he would be screwing Israel, America, the West, the Middle East, the rest of the world and even his own country and troops over with his pro-dictatorship, pro-terrorist, anti-Western, anti-Israel, faux-"anti-imperialist" foreign policy. This is the main reason I hate this guy with such a burning passion and can't wait to see the back of him. Everything else about him, from his pandering to woke Remainer leftists to the chronic antisemitism under his watch, was merely tacked on afterward. I find him to be absolutely toxic and Boris went way too easy on him today. The question Boris should have asked of him at the dispatch box is "why is he still here?" He should be laughed out of the chamber like the pariah that he is.

Oh, and I would have given him 0/10.
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New Bremerton wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUjONj5l_Ko

Jeremy Corbyn has absolutely no shame whatsoever. Why is he defending Iran? Why the hell should British or U.S. forces withdraw from Iraq or Syria when Iranian forces have been violating Iraqi, Syrian and Lebanese sovereignty and killing locals and foreign troops alike for decades through their proxy terrorist militias, including hundreds of thousands of Syrian civilians at the hands of the Assad regime while Corbyn and his leftist anti-war colleagues loudly celebrate, in the streets, any successful attempt to prevent Assad from being held accountable, in any way, shape or form, for even the most deadly chemical gas attacks against his own people, in the name of opposing Western imperialism and meddling, while they maintain a deafening silence vis a vis Russia's very neocolonial role in enthusiastically and openly propping up Assad with airstrikes and the Russian embassy in London is left completely unmolested? Why should Britain or America take Iranian aggression lying down? Why should Britain and America withdraw into themselves out of a sense of white, postcolonial guilt while Iran, Russia and China are permitted to operate with complete and total impunity in the regions they have colonized for their own selfish ends? Western capitulation and surrender is the last thing the world needs right now.

What right does Jeremy Corbyn have to lecture to anyone about war and peace, or international law, or national sovereignty, when he implicitly endorses the death and destruction of one side, which happens to be the anti-Western, anti-British, pro-terrorist, pro-dictatorship side that routinely violates the very same international law he loves to champion if it's directed against Western countries and the national sovereignty of the very countries whose sovereignty he so disingenuously pretends to defend, against his own country and that of its closest ally the United States? Is he kidding me right now? Are America, Israel and Britain so irredeemably evil, racist and imperialistic that it justifies selling one's soul to side with the enemies of freedom like the traitor and sellout that he is? What century is he even smoking? The Cold War ended 31 years ago. Britain is right to stand with Donald Trump and America instead of condemning Washington for defending itself or listening to this sore loser run his mouth.

The self-declared friend of Hamas and Hezbollah won't even say whether he believes Qassem Soleimani was a terrorist. Somehow, he just finds it very difficult to answer such a simple yes or no question. He can't even bring himself to condemn the Iranian regime.

Thank God he's not the Prime Minister, or else he would be screwing Israel, America, the West, the Middle East, the rest of the world and even his own country and troops over with his pro-dictatorship, pro-terrorist, anti-Western, anti-Israel, faux-"anti-imperialist" foreign policy. This is the main reason I hate this guy with such a burning passion and can't wait to see the back of him. Everything else about him, from his pandering to woke Remainer leftists to the chronic antisemitism under his watch, was merely tacked on afterward. I find him to be absolutely toxic and Boris went way too easy on him today. The question Boris should have asked of him at the dispatch box is "why is he still here?" He should be laughed out of the chamber like the pariah that he is.

Oh, and I would have given him 0/10.


Way to prove my point.
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Postby New Bremerton » Wed Jan 08, 2020 9:34 am

Vassenor wrote:
New Bremerton wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUjONj5l_Ko

Jeremy Corbyn has absolutely no shame whatsoever. Why is he defending Iran? Why the hell should British or U.S. forces withdraw from Iraq or Syria when Iranian forces have been violating Iraqi, Syrian and Lebanese sovereignty and killing locals and foreign troops alike for decades through their proxy terrorist militias, including hundreds of thousands of Syrian civilians at the hands of the Assad regime while Corbyn and his leftist anti-war colleagues loudly celebrate, in the streets, any successful attempt to prevent Assad from being held accountable, in any way, shape or form, for even the most deadly chemical gas attacks against his own people, in the name of opposing Western imperialism and meddling, while they maintain a deafening silence vis a vis Russia's very neocolonial role in enthusiastically and openly propping up Assad with airstrikes and the Russian embassy in London is left completely unmolested? Why should Britain or America take Iranian aggression lying down? Why should Britain and America withdraw into themselves out of a sense of white, postcolonial guilt while Iran, Russia and China are permitted to operate with complete and total impunity in the regions they have colonized for their own selfish ends? Western capitulation and surrender is the last thing the world needs right now.

What right does Jeremy Corbyn have to lecture to anyone about war and peace, or international law, or national sovereignty, when he implicitly endorses the death and destruction of one side, which happens to be the anti-Western, anti-British, pro-terrorist, pro-dictatorship side that routinely violates the very same international law he loves to champion if it's directed against Western countries and the national sovereignty of the very countries whose sovereignty he so disingenuously pretends to defend, against his own country and that of its closest ally the United States? Is he kidding me right now? Are America, Israel and Britain so irredeemably evil, racist and imperialistic that it justifies selling one's soul to side with the enemies of freedom like the traitor and sellout that he is? What century is he even smoking? The Cold War ended 31 years ago. Britain is right to stand with Donald Trump and America instead of condemning Washington for defending itself or listening to this sore loser run his mouth.

The self-declared friend of Hamas and Hezbollah won't even say whether he believes Qassem Soleimani was a terrorist. Somehow, he just finds it very difficult to answer such a simple yes or no question. He can't even bring himself to condemn the Iranian regime.

Thank God he's not the Prime Minister, or else he would be screwing Israel, America, the West, the Middle East, the rest of the world and even his own country and troops over with his pro-dictatorship, pro-terrorist, anti-Western, anti-Israel, faux-"anti-imperialist" foreign policy. This is the main reason I hate this guy with such a burning passion and can't wait to see the back of him. Everything else about him, from his pandering to woke Remainer leftists to the chronic antisemitism under his watch, was merely tacked on afterward. I find him to be absolutely toxic and Boris went way too easy on him today. The question Boris should have asked of him at the dispatch box is "why is he still here?" He should be laughed out of the chamber like the pariah that he is.

Oh, and I would have given him 0/10.


Way to prove my point.


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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Wed Jan 08, 2020 9:39 am

New Bremerton wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUjONj5l_Ko

Jeremy Corbyn has absolutely no shame whatsoever. Why is he defending Iran? Why the hell should British or U.S. forces withdraw from Iraq or Syria when Iranian forces have been violating Iraqi, Syrian and Lebanese sovereignty and killing locals and foreign troops alike for decades through their proxy terrorist militias, including hundreds of thousands of Syrian civilians at the hands of the Assad regime while Corbyn and his leftist anti-war colleagues loudly celebrate, in the streets, any successful attempt to prevent Assad from being held accountable, in any way, shape or form, for even the most deadly chemical gas attacks against his own people, in the name of opposing Western imperialism and meddling, while they maintain a deafening silence vis a vis Russia's very neocolonial role in enthusiastically and openly propping up Assad with airstrikes and the Russian embassy in London is left completely unmolested? Why should Britain or America take Iranian aggression lying down? Why should Britain and America withdraw into themselves out of a sense of white, postcolonial guilt while Iran, Russia and China are permitted to operate with complete and total impunity in the regions they have colonized for their own selfish ends? Western capitulation and surrender is the last thing the world needs right now.

What right does Jeremy Corbyn have to lecture to anyone about war and peace, or international law, or national sovereignty, when he implicitly endorses the death and destruction of one side, which happens to be the anti-Western, anti-British, pro-terrorist, pro-dictatorship side that routinely violates the very same international law he loves to champion if it's directed against Western countries and the national sovereignty of the very countries whose sovereignty he so disingenuously pretends to defend, against his own country and that of its closest ally the United States? Is he kidding me right now? Are America, Israel and Britain so irredeemably evil, racist and imperialistic that it justifies selling one's soul to side with the enemies of freedom like the traitor and sellout that he is? What century is he even smoking? The Cold War ended 31 years ago. Britain is right to stand with Donald Trump and America instead of condemning Washington for defending itself or listening to this sore loser run his mouth.

The self-declared friend of Hamas and Hezbollah won't even say whether he believes Qassem Soleimani was a terrorist. Somehow, he just finds it very difficult to answer such a simple yes or no question. He can't even bring himself to condemn the Iranian regime.

Thank God he's not the Prime Minister, or else he would be screwing Israel, America, the West, the Middle East, the rest of the world and even his own country and troops over with his pro-dictatorship, pro-terrorist, anti-Western, anti-Israel, faux-"anti-imperialist" foreign policy. This is the main reason I hate this guy with such a burning passion and can't wait to see the back of him. Everything else about him, from his pandering to woke Remainer leftists to the chronic antisemitism under his watch, was merely tacked on afterward. I find him to be absolutely toxic and Boris went way too easy on him today. The question Boris should have asked of him at the dispatch box is "why is he still here?" He should be laughed out of the chamber like the pariah that he is.

Oh, and I would have given him 0/10.

Might have something to do with the fact that those countries don't want us there.

So why are we there?
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New Bremerton wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Way to prove my point.


Which is?


That people are bending over backwards to say Iran is at fault for the assassination of one of its senior military figures and that anyone who says the U S is at fault is somehow a traitor.
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Postby Celritannia » Wed Jan 08, 2020 10:01 am

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
New Bremerton wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUjONj5l_Ko

Jeremy Corbyn has absolutely no shame whatsoever. Why is he defending Iran? Why the hell should British or U.S. forces withdraw from Iraq or Syria when Iranian forces have been violating Iraqi, Syrian and Lebanese sovereignty and killing locals and foreign troops alike for decades through their proxy terrorist militias, including hundreds of thousands of Syrian civilians at the hands of the Assad regime while Corbyn and his leftist anti-war colleagues loudly celebrate, in the streets, any successful attempt to prevent Assad from being held accountable, in any way, shape or form, for even the most deadly chemical gas attacks against his own people, in the name of opposing Western imperialism and meddling, while they maintain a deafening silence vis a vis Russia's very neocolonial role in enthusiastically and openly propping up Assad with airstrikes and the Russian embassy in London is left completely unmolested? Why should Britain or America take Iranian aggression lying down? Why should Britain and America withdraw into themselves out of a sense of white, postcolonial guilt while Iran, Russia and China are permitted to operate with complete and total impunity in the regions they have colonized for their own selfish ends? Western capitulation and surrender is the last thing the world needs right now.

What right does Jeremy Corbyn have to lecture to anyone about war and peace, or international law, or national sovereignty, when he implicitly endorses the death and destruction of one side, which happens to be the anti-Western, anti-British, pro-terrorist, pro-dictatorship side that routinely violates the very same international law he loves to champion if it's directed against Western countries and the national sovereignty of the very countries whose sovereignty he so disingenuously pretends to defend, against his own country and that of its closest ally the United States? Is he kidding me right now? Are America, Israel and Britain so irredeemably evil, racist and imperialistic that it justifies selling one's soul to side with the enemies of freedom like the traitor and sellout that he is? What century is he even smoking? The Cold War ended 31 years ago. Britain is right to stand with Donald Trump and America instead of condemning Washington for defending itself or listening to this sore loser run his mouth.

The self-declared friend of Hamas and Hezbollah won't even say whether he believes Qassem Soleimani was a terrorist. Somehow, he just finds it very difficult to answer such a simple yes or no question. He can't even bring himself to condemn the Iranian regime.

Thank God he's not the Prime Minister, or else he would be screwing Israel, America, the West, the Middle East, the rest of the world and even his own country and troops over with his pro-dictatorship, pro-terrorist, anti-Western, anti-Israel, faux-"anti-imperialist" foreign policy. This is the main reason I hate this guy with such a burning passion and can't wait to see the back of him. Everything else about him, from his pandering to woke Remainer leftists to the chronic antisemitism under his watch, was merely tacked on afterward. I find him to be absolutely toxic and Boris went way too easy on him today. The question Boris should have asked of him at the dispatch box is "why is he still here?" He should be laughed out of the chamber like the pariah that he is.

Oh, and I would have given him 0/10.

Might have something to do with the fact that those countries don't want us there.

So why are we there?


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Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Wed Jan 08, 2020 10:05 am

UNISON are backing Starmer
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-51035448

It will be interesting to see who UNITE endorse.
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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Wed Jan 08, 2020 10:32 am

Another day, and with it another piece of bad lawmaking from the Scottish government.

https://news.gov.scot/news/regulating-s ... NvkSiIWhz0
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Postby Fartsniffage » Wed Jan 08, 2020 10:39 am

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Another day, and with it another piece of bad lawmaking from the Scottish government.

https://news.gov.scot/news/regulating-s ... NvkSiIWhz0


AirBnB was always going to start getting regulated. I'm surprised it took this long.

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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Wed Jan 08, 2020 10:42 am

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Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Another day, and with it another piece of bad lawmaking from the Scottish government.

https://news.gov.scot/news/regulating-s ... NvkSiIWhz0


AirBnB was always going to start getting regulated. I'm surprised it took this long.

Is there any proof it needs it though, or is it just the governments desire to regulate everything?
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Postby Fartsniffage » Wed Jan 08, 2020 10:45 am

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
AirBnB was always going to start getting regulated. I'm surprised it took this long.

Is there any proof it needs it though, or is it just the governments desire to regulate everything?


The Scottish government seems to think so.

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Postby Celritannia » Wed Jan 08, 2020 10:47 am

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Another day, and with it another piece of bad lawmaking from the Scottish government.

https://news.gov.scot/news/regulating-s ... NvkSiIWhz0


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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Wed Jan 08, 2020 10:49 am

Fartsniffage wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Is there any proof it needs it though, or is it just the governments desire to regulate everything?


The Scottish government seems to think so.

The Scottish government also thinks a policy of taking from the poor and giving to the Tesco is a good idea.
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